User talk:Paulmcdonald

Announcing the 2011 College Football Hall of Fame Cleanup Drive
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Did You Know?

1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game DYK

On 12 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Congratulations! PeterSymonds (talk) 15:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

--Whoo-hoo!!!--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Robert Park (football coach)

On 23 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Robert Park (football coach), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for creating this article! As an unofficial church historian, I have plenty of sources about RP ministers, but I never knew he was a coach until after I saw the article. Nyttend (talk) 19:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Funny! I never knew he was a minister until you added the info!--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game

On 12 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Congratulations! PeterSymonds (talk) 15:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Cleanups

Yes, some people archive. I am not one of them. Please don't take offense: if you want to review an old discussion, feel free check out the page history (and yes, I only keep the stuff I wanna keep--hey, it's my talk page...). I do keep relevant discussions for as long as they are... well... relevant.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

dead discussions removed 21 Dec 2007--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 9 Jan 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 21 May 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 25 August 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 21 May 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 30 October 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 12 December 2008) --Paul McDonald (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 10 February 2010) --Paul McDonald (talk) 23:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)-

(dead discussions removed 1 July 2010) --Paul McDonald (talk) 14:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 20 July 2010) --Paul McDonald (talk) 21:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 25 November 2010)--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:09, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Lists of college football head coaches

Paul, in the featured list candidate review for List of Michigan Wolverines head football coaches, an issue came up about table coding for alignment; see Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Michigan Wolverines head football coaches/archive1. Check out my most recent edit and you can see this makes the code a lot more efficient. I think this is something you'll want to work into your system going forward. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:48, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• HEY HEY HEY that looks way easier!--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:40, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
  • First run' Give a look at List of Allegheny Gators head football coaches.--Paul McDonald (talk) 07:29, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

• JW and Paul, have we arrived a standard WP CFB format for these lists of college football coaches yet? I've been contemplating creating one for the Gators for a while. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

• I've got an excel spreadsheet that reads in data copied from CFDW that works reasonably well, but it requires some editing after that. I wouldn't hold it out as "production-ready" just yet...--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:35, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Kansas Collegiate Athletic Conference standings

Paul, I'm doing some editing on Chris Creighton and would like to complete his head coaching record table. Do you know of a good source for historical KCAC football standings? I can only find standings back to 2004 at the KCAC website. Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:18, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm trying to piece that together. It's tough, likely have to dig through yearbooks. Some can be found on College Football Data Warehouse, but only if the team won a conference championship that year.--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:32, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of John H. Rice (American football)

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As you probably saw, I withdrew this, and now am nomming for deletion via AfD. I will take a look at the rest of the recently created articles and bundle in all of the others that do not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:ATHLETE. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:47, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

If you wish, proceed. Please review WP:CFBN which contains links to various AFD discussions about coaches. It might be nice if you wait a little more than two minutes after an article is first created before posting a speedy.--Paul McDonald (talk) 05:50, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

You are correct that I speedied to, um, speedily. I reacted viscerally and emotionally, because it was clear that you knew what you were doing (the quality of the stub showed that you are an experienced editor) and yet were creating a whole batch of articles that to me are, frankly, on patently, obviously, unarguably non-notable people based on essentially no verification. Nonetheless, I should not have allowed my instant reaction to overwhelm me, and for that, I apologize.

I have just now glanced at WP:CFBN, and will, if it is raised (I'll have to look at it more carefully to see if it applies), certainly take the stance that it cannot ever override WP:N or WP:GNG. If other deletion discussions on similar topics have resulted in articles resembling these from being deleted, then the issue needs to be raised at a larger forum. It is my belief that there is fairly wide consensus that local projects cannot form a walled garden insulating their topics of interest from those policies which do have community-wide consensus. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:11, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I certainly agree that an essay at a project won't trump policy. However, we've muddled through hundreds of these. In the instances when a head coach is deleted, it eventually gets restored in one way or another. Proceed with good faith, we're civil! Let's discuss then!--Paul McDonald (talk) 06:14, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of John H. Rice (American football) for deletion

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College football coaches

Paul, I saw some of your recent, new articles for Alma and Detroit coaches. Looks like we still have a few glitches in the system:

1. Team links in the infobox should drive to the football team page, even if it is a redirect, not the overall school sports page; e.g. Detroit Titans football, not Detroit Titans. If there is not even a redirect a football team, it should be created.
2. Detroit's Edward Ryan was created as Edward Ryan (football coach). Never use "(football coach)" as a qualifier as "football" is ambiguous; use "(American football)" or "(American football coach)" instead.
3. Can we please drop the "|collapsed=yes" from WikiProjectBannerShell on the talk pages?
4. I see you added head coaching record tables for some of the new articles, which is great. But there are a few problems. First, in CFB Yearly Record Subhead, team listings should drive to the football team page and display school short name and fight name, e.g. display Alma Scots, not Alma College, and link to Alma Scots football.
5. Do not wikilink to Independent; that's a disambiguation page.
6. Football seasons in the record tables should be wikilinked where appropriate. For seasons before 1978, all associations and divisions should link to "1XXX college football season". For seasons 1978 and after, only link NCAA Division I-A and I-AA seasons as no articles yet exist for lower divisions.
7. On Royal R. Campbell, you included a poll column labeled "NCAA Division III". Campbell last coached in 1935 and the NCAA's Division III didn't exist until 1973, so I removed this as it is surely an anachronism. When you do include an appropriate poll, please be sure that the table header and footer agree. For Campbell, you still had the default (NCAA Division I-A FBS) Coaches' Poll listed in the footer.
8. Also, keep an eye out for potential content forks. Especially for coaches who worked between 1900 and 1950 or so, it's well worth a quick check to see if they also coached basketball. Royal R. Campbell was already redlinked as "Royal Campbell" at Template:DetroitBasketballCoach.

Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:27, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll check up, a lot of those pages and links were already there when I showed up... thought I dropped the Collapsed=yes, but maybe not. Might have an old version of my worksheet in place here...--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:16, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Paul, I see you launched the run of Kalamazoo coaches. We've still got a glitch on point #1 above, i.e. we should link to Kalamazoo Hornets football, not Kalamazoo Hornets. Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:48, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll take care of it, thought I caught everything!--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:00, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Early Gators coaches

Paul, given your recent success in wikilawyering, I was wondering if you could give me some of your college football research expertise. I have several early Florida Gators football coaches for whom I have minimal substantive sources, including the standard Gators references included in the bibliographies. These early Gators coaches include: (1) Jack "Pee Wee" Forsythe (please note the name discrepancy mentioned in the footnote); (2) George E. Pyle; (3) Charles J. McCoy; (4) Albert L. Buser; and (5) William G. Kline. Take a look-see----I am hoping you can help. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:49, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look!--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything to worry about here... has anyone contested notability on any article?--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

No notability problems, but I've pretty much exhausted my hard-copy references and whatever random sources I could find on the internet. From the fragments I've managed to string together, several of these guys were really interesting characters. One played for John Heisman at Clemson, another was an All-American at Wisconsin, one was also the first Gators basketball coach, and another was also the coach at Nebraska. These guys deserve better. BTW, the official UF UAA records had one of their names spelled incorrectly until I notified them of the problem. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

New Jinja Bridge

Paulmcdonald, I have removed

tag that you placed on this article. I can count at least fifteen (15) current Wikipedia articles included in the narrative. Can you think of any other ways to make the article less of an "orphan" in you view? I am open to suggestions.Fsmatovu (talk) 22:52, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Good enough for me!--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:23, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

AIV

The user you're reporting to AIV is long blocked, the bot is removing them from the AIV board, and you're diligently restoring it :-) Let us move on. Materialscientist (talk) 06:41, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

ahhh... bots.... thank you and I apologize!--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Northern Illinois Cowboys

Hello Paulmcdonald. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Northern Illinois Cowboys, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: While semi pro players are not notable individually teams are a different matter. Thank you. ϢereSpielChequers 17:09, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Chicago Thunder

Hello Paulmcdonald. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Chicago Thunder, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: "has won ten league championships and two AA minor-league" is an assertion of importance. Thank you. ϢereSpielChequers 17:12, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Lincoln-Way Patriots

Hello Paulmcdonald. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Lincoln-Way Patriots, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: "went all the way to the MSFL Championship" is an assertion of importance. Thank you. ϢereSpielChequers 17:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Racine Threat

Hello Paulmcdonald. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Racine Threat, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: defending champions is an assertion of importance. Thank you. ϢereSpielChequers 17:18, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Indiana Titans

Hello Paulmcdonald. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Indiana Titans, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: "appeared in the 2005 MSFL Championship game," is an assertion of importance. Thank you. ϢereSpielChequers 17:22, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Roscoe Rush

Hello Paulmcdonald. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Roscoe Rush, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. ϢereSpielChequers 21:34, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Jerry Kill

Paul, congrats on one of your small-school Kansas guys, Jerry Kill, getting a big-time job. Jweiss11 (talk)

Heck, I was stoked up when he went to NIU! He played at my Alma Mater, Southwestern.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:02, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Congrats to Coach Jerry Kill on the hire at Minnesota. He was the NIU head coach for one of his Huskie football players, Nick Kamenjarin, that I trained in the summer time the past few years.-Mike Michelakis —Preceding undated comment added 17:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC).

Hillsdale Chargers football coaches

Paul, several weeks ago, you created the new coaches navbox for the Hillsdale Chargers football team. What did you use for your source? I would like to add the first names and dates of service to it—it's the last navbox to be upgraded on Charlie Bachman's page. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

• Pretty sure I just used the media guide. It will need additional sourcing to withstand AFD, should that come up.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks, Paul, but you should have told me you had already created a list of Hillsdale coaches--I found it when I googled the Hillsdale media guide. Low and behold, I found something better--your list. LOL BTW, the Charlie Bachman article now has five upgraded coaches navboxes, one for athletic directors and one for a hall of fame, and all of the former succession boxes have been deleted. If anyone is looking for a good, clean example of what the expanded coaches navboxes will look like, minus the succession boxes, here it is. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• • Next time I'll communicate more! Often time, the link to the coaches list is on the coach navbox--we started doing that a while back... hope I didn't have you do unnecessary work!--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:48, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Broaddus Battlers football coach navbox

Now moved to User:Paulmcdonald/Broaddus Battlers football coach navbox. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 02:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Carl Pelini

I got 50 bucks that says that an IP takes the PROD off with out making any other improvments to the article in the next 24 hours ;). I suggest AfD. Just saying. Anyway though, you don't think he notable enough? I realize that most assistant coaches aren't, but I'd imagine that he passes WP:GNG easily. Nolelover ^{It's football season!} 16:30, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

• Carl, no. Bo, yes. He's gotten lots of mention in the press, but only because he's Bo's brother. And one day (heck maybe next year or tomorrow) he'll get a head coaching position and have significant coverage of his own right. But I am not taking your bet!--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:56, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Tampa Spartans football coach navbox?

Paul, I've got one of those little projects that is right up your alley: we need a coaches navbox for the defunct University of Tampa Spartans football program. The Spartans coaches included Fred Pancoast, Fran Curci and Hall of Famer Chelo Huerta. Think you can gin one up? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll work on it over the weekend! Sounds like fun!--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:08, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Paulmcdonald. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prince Poppycock.
Message added 16:08, 22 December 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Assuming Bad Faith

Really? After almost five years you would make a comment like this [[1]]? COnsider this a level one warning for assuming bad faith. You may want to read up on the policy again. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 01:03, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Wow, really didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest with that one. Basically a level one warning discusses template level and it's a hey how are you doing, did you know. I was extremely irked by your comment mainly because I have no personal motive or feelings towards poppycock whatsoever. I try to remove stuff that I feel shouldn't be here and I felt I was explaining without people actually backing up what they were saying or pointing out where I was wrong. In this case though I was ultimately wrong the one thing in a musician notability is if you perform on a nation music tour. I think we can both agree that the summer tour he was a part of would satisfy that requirement. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 18:07, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I didn't mean for my request for help to get back to you--it was more for me to help make sure that I don't mis-communicate like that in the future and how best I could move. I'll apologize now for my choice of words and will also post a comment on the discussion.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:10, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Level One

The policy is WP:AGF. The warnings are really template warnings put on editors pages of diiferent levels of seriousness. Level one is quite nice, level two not so nice, level three is serious and level four is last chance before action. You don't of course always have to use all four. It's just a handy set of templates. You can see the explanation and full set here. Don't get carried away though.Fainites ^barleyscribs 15:18, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Eastern Michigan head coaches and history

Be careful with these, because the school has had three name changes since the football team started, as well as several mascot changes.

• Prior to 1899: Michigan State Normal School, no mascot
• 1899-10/31/1929: Michigan State Normal College, no official mascot but known informally, at least late in this period, as the "Normalites"
• 1929-1956: Michigan State Normal College Hurons
• 1956-59: Eastern Michigan College Hurons
• 1959-5/22/1991: Eastern Michigan University Hurons
• 5/22/1991-present: Eastern Michigan University Eagles

Thanks, cmadler (talk) 17:45, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I think the infoboxes should be the name of the successor institution, not the contemporary name, because that gives it continuity across all of the school's coaches biographies (and also avoids complications where schools have swapped names). Even if it is explained in the text, it is not immediately apparent to most readers who can't be expected to know the detailed history of these schools' name changes. For example, A. M. Miller should be listed in the infobox as the Kentucky, not Kentucky State, coach. Strikehold (talk) 22:54, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

• Yeah that's why I slowed down some... made just a couple other coaches and assembled the workings of the coach list. Eastern Michigan is a tough school to put together!--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

• • Drop me a line when you want to work on them at a slower pace and I'll help out. I'd rather move through the historical stuff more deliberately rather than make a bunch of stub articles just to avoid seeing redlinks. cmadler (talk) 13:47, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
    • Was just thinking about this... check what was done for coaches at Wichita State University (Formerly Fairmount College, Wichita City College, etc.) for some ideas. Those articles also admittedly need some work!--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Navboxes, succession boxes, etc.

Happy New Year, Paul.

Don't know if you've noticed yet, but all 122 Division I FBS coach navboxes have been enhanced to include each coach's first name (or nick name, depending on which was better known) and years of service. Jweiss has already purged the redundant succession boxes from the pages of all of the coaches listed in the FBS coach navboxes (a massive undertaking; I have no idea how he managed to get it done so quickly). The WP:CBB guys are now preparing to follow suit with identically formatted navboxes for college basketball coaches and completely purge the succession boxes from their pages, and I am going to help with the SEC basketball coach navboxes and a dozen or so others that touch the Gators' coaching succession. I am hoping that you, Jrcla2, and others will pick up the ball and run with it with regard to enhancing the FCS and lower division football coach navboxes. Only handful of the lower division coach navboxes have been upgraded so far, although Jrcla has started chewing on them.

BTW, you still owe me that Tampa Spartans football coach navbox. Get back to work, Slacker. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

• Yeah, I got a few things to crank out! Looks awesome! I freaking hate those "succession boxes", and I'm glad that the basketball enthusiasts are willing to follow your lead on this one! I'll be sure to show my boss the "slacker" comment so that he knows I don't spend too much time on Wikipedia!--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Paul, happy new year. I was just going to drop you a note about the navbox upgrades, but it looks like Dirtlawyer has given you the brief. The college basketball guys were already anti-succession box and had a working policy against them, so it was an easy sell for them on the navbox upgrades. The next step is working on the NFL. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:40, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject United States

Hello, Paulmcdonald! WikiProject United States, an outreach effort supporting development of United States related articles in Wikipedia, has recently been restarted after a long period of inactivity. As a user who has shown an interest in United States related topics we wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the United States. If you are interested please add your Username and area of interest to the members page here. Thank you!!!

--Kumioko (talk) 20:22, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Rewald

I've substantially rewritten this article and referenced nearly everything in it. I can't verify a couple of minor items about his football career, but it turns out that's not why he's notable. Please take a look at the new article. If you agree that he now passes WP:N and WP:V please consider revising your contributions to the deletion discussion. Thanks! Pburka (talk) 18:16, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Fred Green

Paul, thanks for kicking off that discussion about Fred Green. What ensued is an excellent example of wiki-collaboration, thanks in no small part to we CFB project regulars. I emailed a PR guy in the Eastern Michigan athletic department about the issue a few days ago to see if he had any info or comment, but have not heard back. Something tells me the program at present day doesn't even realize it had a future governor among its ranks way back when. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:41, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I contacted them too and haven't heard back! You did some serious legwork on that one, that's for sure. I figured they were the same when I saw the middle initials to be identical.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

FYI, I sent the question to university archives, so we'll see who (if any) gets a response! cmadler (talk) 14:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Are these deletion-worthy?

I went through the players listed on Template:MountaineersRunningbacks, since it's up for deletion, to see if they were even notable to begin with. Most of them had at least one game of professional football on their resume, but there were two that seem deletion-worthy that I wanted to bring to your attention: Robert Walker (American football) and Garrett Ford, Jr.. Apparently User:Red Deadeye has a raging hard-on for WVU athletes, because he's the one who created the aforementioned TfD as well as these two players' articles.

While I personally don't mind when people get enthused enough to write or edit articles about sports figures, it does annoy me (as a veteran editor) when people think that every g** d*** athlete who attends or attended their alma maters "deserves" to be on Wikipedia. Sports cruft is the most passionate kind (well, perhaps second only to video gamers). They're so blinded by their own fanaticism that they never stop to think if what they're doing is notable or not.

Anyway, now that my rant is over, I also was wondering if Template:WVUConsensusAll-Americans is deletion-worthy? I don't know what WP:CFB protocol is for a template like that (and yes....User:ISleepWithWVUFootballPlayers created that). Jrcla2 (talk) 06:54, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jim Harkema

Materialscientist (talk) 18:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ernest P. Goodrich

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Working on a triple DYK hook

I've nominated Rick Rasnick and Tony Lombardi together for DYK, though Rasnick's article could use a little more expansion. I'm going to use List of Michigan Wolverines head football coaches as a model and try to expand List of Eastern Michigan Eagles head football coaches so it can count also, and also working it toward Featured List. Care to help improve/expand Rasnick and the list over the next few days? cmadler (talk) 14:38, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

• I think I've done about all I can on the Rasnick article, I'll be moving on to improving the list next. cmadler (talk) 16:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
  • I'll take a peek later tonight and early this week. Sounds like fun!--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
    • I've finished the table except for Rynearson's and Trosko's conference records. cmadler (talk) 19:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
      • Can you take a look at the "Profiles" section of the list? There are several coaches remaining that I can't really say much about; all their articles have is their W-L records. If you can figure a way around this, I can probably wrap up the table with Rynearson's and Trosko's conference records tonight. cmadler (talk) 17:41, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
        • OK, all that's left is to calculate the conference records for Rynearson and Trosko! cmadler (talk) 21:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
• I peeked, it looks great! I was able to pitch in a paragraph or two was all.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Elmer Mitchell

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:02, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tony Lombardi

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Rick Rasnick

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for List of Eastern Michigan Eagles head football coaches

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikiquette alert

• Thanks for alerting me to the discussion. Mandsford 18:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks but

I think I'll sit this one out. My views on the notability of football issues will only tend to cloud the issue even more (or cause a Wiki-meeting to burn me in effigy - or in person if they can find me...). Peridon (talk) 22:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I did look through the articles and AfDs (and made a minor correction to one article just in case). Peridon (talk) 22:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

No problem! 'Prisheeatit!--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:37, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

The yet-to-be-invented barnstar

A tip of the hat sir. You invited me into an AfD that my prior behavior would suggest I would likely vote against your proposal. First of all, inviting in people is something most don't bother with, and I respect the extra effort. But inviting me, the grumpy old man of the AfD? Balsy, sir. Salute.

Feel free to bring me in to whatever situation you feel might be of use to the greater wiki. No, I invite it.

Maury Markowitz (talk) 02:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I'm always looking for the most valid viewpoints, even those that oppose my opinion. I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again, and I'm wrong more than I'm right. The more people that are involved in good faith, the closer to "right" we're going to get!--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:48, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

CfR discussion

Could you weigh in here so that the process can move along more quickly? It can take a couple weeks if nobody chimes in. Thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 04:20, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

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Why?

Mr. McDonald: I question your reason for tagging so many articles for deletion. For example, I don't understand why Dave Fipp should be deleted. He had a very good college career at a major school. Also, he as been a successful CFB and NFL Coach. His should be deemed notable due to having lots of (5 or more I believe) sources. Additionally, James Urban is an Asst. Offensive Coordinator. Wikipedia has articles on several other non-notable Asst. Position coaches who have no playing experience. I feel that if you delete Urban, you should delete every other article of an Asst. Coach in the NFL unless he has NFL playing experience or meets a different notability requirement. Go Phightins! (talk) 22:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

No one will get upset at you for questioning my reasoning, that's for sure! Specifically, the article on Dave Fipp seems to have a relatively non-noteworthy collegiate career. The coverage on his coaching tends to be from the organization itself and thus really doesn't lend any credence to notability (I had a hard time with that one starting off too). He's never served as a head coach and any of the coverage that I've been able to locate really has just been routine reporting. Notability requires more than that. The article on James Urban has no soruces at all except for the Eagles website, and that isn't independent. Other than that, the article seems to suffer from the same as the previous one. Of course, if you can find independent third party reliable sources and show some notability I'll change my position without hesitation.

That said, don't let me influence you in any way. If you believe what you believe, go for it and hold that position. I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again. I don't think I'm wrong here, but HEY consensus has a way of ruling!--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:14, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

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Delete Kevin Bickers

I believe that the article on former Patriots Scouting Asst. Kevin Bickers should be deleted because it fails WP Notability. You seem to be an expert at nominating articles for deletion. Thank you. Go Phightins! (talk) 01:03, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree. I have initiated the Proposed Deletion process. This is a good normal first step, although sometimes we discuss it with the user who created the page first. I've added a tag on the article (which you can "second" if you like, it shows how on the WP:PROD page), I've added a "Old Prod Full" template on the talk page (if you second, you should note so there, it's easy to do), and I sent notification to the primary editor.

The editor (or anyone) can contest the "proposed deletion" simply by removing the tag. If it remains for 7 days, then an admin will delete the article. If the tag is removed, we can then send it to Deletion Review which calls for discussion and input about the article. Deletion Reviews remain open until closed by an admin (might not have to be an admin, but I never close them).--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:05, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

W. H. Dague

Hi, Paul. I saw that you created W. H. Dague. I have a strong suspicion that he is also Bill Dague. I'm not sure where to go to put the puzzle together, but I thought you might know. Cheers! Location (talk) 02:41, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll propose a merger and we can discuss it! Good eye!--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:07, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I've added the missing link. They are the same person. Cbl62 (talk) 16:39, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Bill Loughlin

This page is severely lacking useful content. While it technically does meet notability requirements since he played in one game, I'm wondering whether this should be merged or deleted anyway. I thought you would be a good second opinion. Thanks! Go Phightins! (talk) 19:55, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

While I wouldn't likely create that particular aritcle, I wouldn't want to delete it. The player has definitely surpassed the standard notability bar. As for it being incomplete, just remember that Wikipedia has no deadline--that means that others will likely collaborate and improve the article over time. But good question! You will get other answers from other people--some would say go ahead and delete it.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:39, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Justin Watts/Leslie McDonald

Thanks for chiming in at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Watts. A very similar discussion that you might also find interesting can be found here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leslie McDonald. -Blueman33 (talk) 06:11, 29 March 2011 (UTC)