Talk:Triple Crown (professional wrestling)

This article was nominated for deletion on 20 February 2007. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Archive

For all your US title questions please read this first.

For all your ECW related questions please read this first.

The OVW Triple Crown

SilentRage decided to blank the OVW section, stating "OVW is irrellivant". I applaud him for being bold but I do't feel that blanking a section without discussion is constructive and if there is one thing the TCC talk page is renowned for it's long discussions. I would rather not have to keep reverting so I will state what I think. I have never seen any OVW wrestling, but I know that it breeds a good deal of the current WWE roster, so if OVW by itself is notable and we have pages for all three titles then a table to inform those who have an interest of who has won the three titles should be kept. Maybe it should be moved from the TCC page to the OVW page. But if SilentRage feels that OVW is "irrellivant" then maybe he should find some sources to improve its "rellivance". I slapped an OR tag on it before the AfD debate but that was a flag for others to find sources, not an invite to blank the section. Darrenhusted 14:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Simply put, OVW isn't a major promotion. If we put OVW, then we'll have to put DSW, and a bunch of other mid-level federations. The list would be way too long. I actually would like to question you on why you would actually think that OVW is on the level of national promotions like WWE or TNA and why you think it is greater than, let's say, DSW or ROH. In fact, I think there was already a discussion and consensus on leaving-out the non-major promotions off the list. Check the archives. ^---SilentRAGE! 17:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

The page says Triple Crown, but is it really.

Hi! everyone. Okay I have a question why does the page say Triple Crown when we only accept WWE and TNA triple Crown records? Why not ECW, WCW, or OVW? What about indy promotions? We need to change the page to include everything. Not just TNA and WWE. If we don't change the page then change the name. It says Triple Crown and it should say TNA and WWE Triple Crown Championship. Or Triple Crown Championship in Major Professional Wrestling.--WillC 07:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It did have OVW and WCW listed, but they were unreferenced. I moved the OVW to the OVW page. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:06, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I was just at the OVW page. Where did it go?--WillC 08:10, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, check the history. It was there, but as it has no refs it could have been removed, it has been a year or so since I moved it. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe you but I just don't understand how come certain stuff gets taken down but I've seen other stuff with no source at all be kept than something that is easier to believe.--WillC 19:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The problem with your logic is that it is, well, logic :P. When dealing with human beings, the logical course of action is usually the course that isn't taken. Don't try to understand it; if something seems stupid at first glance it probably is. Cheers, The Hybrid 03:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I didn't even understand what you meant. Whatever. But why don't we add the OVW and ECW Triple Crowns to ��e page as well. It is the Triple Crown Championship page and there is more Triple Crowns than the WWE and TNA Crowns.--WillC 06:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Because there are no sources. Just because other stuff without sources is kept doesn't mean we have to keep this. Other mistakes don't justify more. Cheers, The Hybrid 07:43, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay if I can find a source for the OVW and ECW Triple Crowns can I add them then?--WillC 07:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

If it's reliable, yes. Cheers, The Hybrid 17:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay.--WillC 19:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Multiple Triple Crowns

The lead states that there is a Multiple Triple Crown. If so, why aren't the multiple triple crown winners in WWE listed? Chris Jericho, The Rock, Steve Austin and Bret Hart are each 2-time Triple Crown winners, Shawn Michaels is a 3-time Triple Crown winner and Edge is an astounding 5-time Triple Crown winner. I think they should be listed. Alex ^T/_C Guest Book 14:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

That only applies to TNA. Tenay and West often make reference to Styles being a "three time Triple Crown Champion." WWE never makes any such mention. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 14:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but WWE never makes any mention that the Triple Crown even exists. So, I think that argument isn't really consistent with the rest of the article. Because, apparently, I thought that the Triple Crown championship was something invented by the fans. But, if it's something WWE invented, and they don't mention it anymore, then I think that the last Triple Crown champion mentioned on TV is in fact the last triple crown champion. Who was this? Alex ^T/_C Guest Book 19:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

WWE.com occasionally mentions the Triple Crown. It's sourced in the article, check the links. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:10, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The only source from WWE is that Pedro Morales is a Triple Crown Champion. Basically, there is absoulutely no other source. I challenge this as WP:OR. Alex ^T/_C Guest Book 19:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Revisiting this. I know TNA has caled Styles a 3 time Triple Crown champion, but I don't see the need to list him multiple times. There have only been 3 triple crown champions, and Styles is already one so he is not a potential triple crown champ. Maybe we could make a note below the table, but that's it. I think (this is my theory only) that TNA started calling Styles that because for a long time he was the only triple crown champ. TJ Spyke 23:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe it is Final Resolution (2005) before the amazing Ultimate X match for the X title between Chris Sabin, A.J. Styles, and Petey Williams, where Tenay and West agree by saying that he has won all the titles in TNA three times apiece and is a three time Triple Crown champion as a result. I believe we should list each time it has happened and not be selective.--WillC 00:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

US Championship title?

Isn't the US Championship equal in level to the Intercontinental Championship? By extension couldn't it be held as a proxy for the Intercontinental Championship, much like the WHC and the WWE titles?

Long answer: This has been discussed before. It assumed that they are of equal level, but doing so is original research which is not permitted on Wikipedia. WWE.com has pages that confirm WWE tag titles and WHC as proxies for the World tag and WWE titles, but so for the US title. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Short answer: No. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Isn't matt hardy close to a triple crown or is he a triple crown because he was the tag team champion ( world and wwe) The Usa title and the Ecw championship

signed turtle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.38.16 (talk) 03:13, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Nope, a former Tag champion needs an IC and World/WWE title reign. Matt has neither. Darrenhusted (talk) 14:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I definitely don't consider the ECW Title a surrogate for the World Heavyweight or the WWE championships, especially since PWI and other organizations don't recognize it as a world title anymore. The US Championship SHOULD substitute the Intercontinental Title, but until we get clear confirmation, we can't say that it does. So Matt with the PRESENT state of the Triple Crown must have an Intercontinental Title and WWE/World Heavyweight title reign. So in short, I agree with Darren. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.151.84.17 (talk) 16:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I think i understand why the US title and ECW title are not included. This is because the ECW title of course was from ECW and brought over by the WWE , the same with the US title from WCW. All the other titles are founded and the history began with WWE. -- Sion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.209.101 (talk) 11:47, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I still don't see why. Gavyn Sykes seems to think that although there is reason to believe that including the US title would be "original research" but isn't this whole article more or less original research? It's never been officially acknowledged by WWE. There is no official answer. Dahumorist (talk) 06:06, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

WWE did on Raw, Edge stated it on tv that it is real. Plus WWE says Grandslam and Triple Crown in their articles all the time.WillC 06:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

The ECW World Title is considered a World Title by the WWE and by Sections of the NWA so should it not be considered a World Title. Further more it is defended around the World on house shows and TV Tapings around the World so without doubt it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rawisrob2 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

The ECW Title has no world status. Because a championship is called a world title does not mean it is a world title. WWE nor the NWA give World status. You can call the OVW Championship a world title but it is not.--WillC 01:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

If the ECW Title is not on the same level as the WWE Championship or the World Heavyweight Championship, then why do the winners of the Royal Rumble get to choose between the three titles? Prior to WrestleMania 23, all 3 champions stood in the ring on RAW and Undertaker had to make his decision as to who to challenge at WrestleMania. On WWE.com, you can find this exact paragraph in the Royal Rumble 2008 results page (www.wwe.com/shows/royalrumble/history/2008/matches/5267610321112/results/) "Cena will be looking to capture some gold in the Sunshine State at WrestleMania XXIV … but which champion will he choose to face? Will he go after the WWE Championship – currently held by Randy Orton – and look to regain the title he never lost in the ring from a man who never beat him for it? Or will Cena look to conquer a different mountain and challenge an old foe, World Heavyweight Champion Edge, or a new kingpin, ECW Champion Chavo Guerrero, for a title he has never worn?" Based on both, it is clear that the WWE now recognizes the ECW Title as an equal belt along the lines of the WWE Championship and World Heavyweight Championship, and thus, it should be on this page as part of the Triple Crown Championship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvibe222 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

It isn't about the equality of the ECW Championship though. While it is true that the winner of the Royal Rumble and Money in the Bank ladder match are awarded a world title match, which includes the ECW Championship, WWE has yet to declare that the ECW Championship or the United States Championship also compose part of the Triple Crown or Grand Slam Champion status. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 04:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

And where is it sourced on here that the WWE specifically came out and stated that the World Heavyweight Championship and the WWE Tag Team Championships can compose part of the Triple Crown? Since those aren't sourced, someone obviously assumed they were equal to the WWE Championship and World Tag Team Championships, and decided to put them on here as part of the Triple Crown. Jvibe222 (talk) 04:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

He (Shawn Michaels) would also become the first-ever WWE “Grand Slam” Champion, winning the WWE, World Heavyweight, European, Intercontinental and World Tag Team Title gold. - World Heavyweight Championship composes part of Triple Crown and Grand Slam as an alternate world title. While most fans of this (Kurt Angle) former Grand Slam Champion... - Angle never won the World Tag Team Championship, only the WWE Tag Team Championship. Thus, the WWE Tag Team Championship is an alternative tag team title.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 04:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

But what would make it a world title. Title defences in Japan or Mexico would wouldn't it?-Rawisrob2 December 28, 2008 1159 a.m. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rawisrob2 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, whenever WWE recognizes that the United States Championship or the ECW Championship are or were eligible for a triple crown championship, then it will be known. Speculation on what makes it a world title or any kind will not be inserted into the article. — Moe ε 20:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Potential Champions?

What is the point of the Potential Champions section? And if it actually has one [which I doubt], why shouldn't the non-contracted talent be placed? Owen Hart [who's dead], BG James, Val Venis, Ken Shamrock, Test, Lance Storm, Kip James, Rikishi, The Godfather, Roddy Piper, The Mountie, Jeff Jarrett, Marty Jannetty, Davey Boy Smith [also dead], Greg Valentine, Tito Santana and Christian [likely contracted to WWE] also fit the requirements of being "Potential Triple Crowns" even if they aren't contracted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raaggio (talk • contribs)

Potentiality is relative. You're not entitled to "potentially" do something if you just can't do it. (You can't win a title if you don't work for the company.) As to the point of the section: no clue. ^---SilentRAGE! 22:05, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

My opinion is that anybody still alive should be included, even if they aren't with the company (i.e. we would list Hulk Hogan as needing a IC Title reign). TJ Spyke 00:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

That's... Not happening. KP McZiggy ^{(they talk 2 me)} 00:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

And Andre The Giant was a Potential Champion, he never won this title.

-201.207.245.14 (talk) 21:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Legends Championship

If say, Booker T. were to hold the TNA World Title and The Tag Team Titles, would he still be considered a Triple Crown Champion? Even if he didn't win the X-Division Title, he has the Legends belt... KP McZiggy ^{(they talk 2 me)} 00:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

But that is original research considering that TNA has made no mention or attempt to even consider the Legends Belt has anything to do with the Triple Crown championship.--WillC 01:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I’m sure this question will come up again, because AJ Styles is scheduled to challenge for the TNA Legends’ Championship at Destination X. Should AJ Styles win the Legends’ Champion, will he become TNA Wrestling’s first “Grand Slam” champion? (Will this be like Shawn Michaels winning the WWE, Intercontinental, European, and Tag Team Titles?) TNAFan09 (talk) 19:46, 25 February 2009 CLTC)

Doubtful it will go with the crown since the title `s not a TNA title. It was made by Booker in the storyline, so since it isn't an original title under the title management, it probably will not belong.--WillC 20:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

It is a recognised title by TNA Management —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.197.126 (talk) 10:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

US & ECW Different Arguement

I read in a section above that the US & ECW championship were brought over from WCW & ECW. In the same section, someone made the arguement that assuming that the US championship is at the same level as the intercontinental championship is orginal research. Orginal Research is most certainly described as assuming that this ECW championship is the same as the previous one. The ECW championship should be recognized as a world championship, and the US championship should be recognized as a secondary. We don't call the WHC the WCW championship, now then do we? KP McZiggy ^{(they talk 2 me)} 00:32, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

The problem with that theory is this, the US Title was once the WCW US Title but WWE places it as a secondary title yes, but states that it isn't part of the Triple Crown. They have always considered the Triple Crown holding either one of the tag and either one of the world titles and the IC title. The ECW Title has also been used the same way and WWE even states it is the same title that was once in ECW, though they don't have the original belt since Rhino has it at the moment. WWE have made no mention of them being apart of the Triple Crown. So unless they state it, we can't go by that speculation or OR.--WillC 01:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Please site where the WWE does state that the US Title and the ECW Title is not part of the Triple Crown.03:59, 20 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldstryfe (talk • contribs)

We don't need references for things that are unsaid, you need references for unverified statements. The United States Championship and ECW Championship have never been acknowledged as something the Triple Crown can be completed with, so it won't be added without references. — Moe ε 00:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Not Possible?

I really think the "not possible" designation needs to be removed. It is not "not possible" for Rob Van Dam or Kurt Angle or Booker T to win additional titles in WWE. Just because they aren't currently employed by WWE doesn't mean it's impossible. I can understand keeping people out of the "potential champions" section if they aren't currently with the company, since there's so many of them... but saying that it's "not possible" for any living person to win another title is factually incorrect. VWG (talk) 02:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

"Just because they aren't currently employed by WWE doesn't mean it's impossible", is just logically incorrect. Unless they are rehired, that designation stays. — Moe ε 15:52, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree with VWG, it should say currently ineligible or something similar, No future reign possible makes it sound like there's no chance they could ever get hired again. Doesn't that violate the whole crystal ball thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.93.29.82 (talk) 20:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

No future reign possible, is fine. Being employed to WWE again would add them back as potential superstars who could accomplish it, however, saying they could just because they are active wrestlers is just, like you said, going against WP:CRYSTAL. Anyone could be hired or fired from WWE any given day, then again, that day may never come. — Moe ε 16:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree with VWG and 24.93.29.82 - "1 ^ The wrestler is no longer employed by World Wrestling Entertainment or retired from professional wrestling, so future reigns are not possible." is very badly worded, and surely breaks WP:Crystal Ball. For example, there is no reason why Kurt Angle, or Ric Flair, can't return to the WWE, so a future reign is possible. I would suggest, and will be WP:Bold that "at this time" is added to that note. 81.156.230.98 (talk) 22:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

This `s ۋat I was coming to comment on... These guys aren't dead, sf it's not "impossible" that they could have those titles. By definition, "not possible" is wrong here. Flair left for quite some time between his world title reign and tag and IC reigns... when he left in 92 or 94 or whatever, it didn't become "impossible" for him to get the other belts, obviously, as he DID. It should say "not currently elligible." 71.171.103.194 (talk) 19:56, 25 September 2010 (UTC)Steve

The implication in the page is "at this time" as the page would be edited if Angle returned full time. Darrenhusted (talk) 23:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

AJ Styles

why is aj under triple crown champions and then underneath it states that he is a potential champion. he already is one.82.2.58.174 (talk) 19:51, 24 March 2009 (UTC)Black6989

He is acknowledged as a multi-TCC, therefore he still has the potential to be a quad-TCC. Darrenhusted (talk) 20:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, AJ still has the ability to become a five time champion. He held the X Title 6 times and the NWA and TNA World tag titles 5 times in total. If he was to win the TNA World Title two times, he would become a five Triple Crown champion. Then if he won the tag belts again, he would be eligible once again to be a Triple Crown champion after he won the world title two times.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 20:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

A.J. should be removed from the potential champions list, he is not a potential champion anymore as he has already done it. Just because TNA goes through this BS (which I suspect they only did because he was the only one to do it), doesn't mean we should. Besides, if he meets the requirements again he can be added. My support goes to removing him. TJ Spyke 22:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

He is a potential 4 time Triple Crown Champion. So either way he has the potential to be another Triple Crown champion.--WillC 23:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

If I'm correct, AJ has become a quad-TCC this sunday at No Surrender. He is a 4 time Triple Crown Champion. He also can become a 5 time if he wins the TNA World Heavyweight Championship again. Since he has a TNA Tag reign and 2 more TNA X Division reigns.--WillC 03:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

AJ Styles won the TNA World Heavyweight championship. Shouldn't he be removed from the potential list NOW? I read this entire schpeel and I am convinced it's time to remove his name. It's not like there's 2 columns for the X title, NWA & TNA like there is for the WHC coulmns. 65.43.96.3 (talk) 19:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

So you read the entire "schpeel"? And yet you miss that TNA recognised multiple TCC, and so they also recognise multiple potential. So he will almost always be in a state of winning, or about to win a TNA TCC, so he stays. Darrenhusted (talk) 20:18, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Definative WWE reference

For those seeking to improve the article with better references, the May 2009 issue of WWE Magazine (an official publication) includes a feature on those who have achieved a WWE Triple Crown. In addition to the definitive list of wrestlers, it also answers the question if which titles count towards it. In short, the US title is not currently considered, unlike the IC, WWE, World Heavyweight and both tag titles. However, there is a question for readers as to whether it should be included. So future revision may be neccessary depending on the results of that. Notably, there is absolutely no mention of the ECW title, so it seems to be out if the running completely. Just so everyone knows, and I think the magazine article would make a good reference, as it is verifiable, reliable (by pro wrestling standards) and citable (and print sources are typically considered superior to web ones for their permanance and editorial standards). oknazevad (talk) 01:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Just to help your point here is a web link to the statement. http://www.wwe.com/magazine/magazinefeatures/featureoftheweek20090423a/

I checked this link and noticed that it had been updated by WWE to include Rey Mysterio, whereas the print article did not. However, the printed article mentioned Rey as needing only the IC belt which he then won at WM25. I point this out to show that this is a reference that can be checked on periodically to see if the WWE at some point does update the Triple Crown to have the US (and maybe one day the ECW) title to the to list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wraith Wolf (talk • contribs) 16:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Page doesn't exist anymore, so its up for debate all over again24.168.27.158 (talk) 23:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thats not technically true, the article still exists in the May 2009 issue of WWE magazine. Until WWE puts out a new article either in print or their website to update, that issue is still the WWE's definition of the Triple Crown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.90.136.129 (talk) 22:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

The link above still works. So I don't see the problem.

So... the WCW/"World Championship" is not included in the definition? Is WWE not considering previous title history of the NWA/WCW/"World Championship" a part of the World Heavyweight Championship history? Or has it been retconned again? - Lex —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.233.55.232 (talk) 04:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Proposed move

Triple Crown Championship -> Triple Crown (wrestling)

The current title strikes me as too generic, and ambiguous about which triple crown the article discusses. Concerns over confusion with the AJPW Triple Crown would be covered by the already existing link on the top of the page, and by the fact that the AJPW title has just that in it's title.

Thoughts?<-Oops, forgot to sign.oknazevad (talk) 02:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Potential champion?

Hi. This discussion started in Nick Nemeth's article, but now i asked this here. HHH won the IC title under the gimmick of Hunter Heart Hemsley but he change his gimmick in TV to HHH and he is a Triple Crown Champion. But, if the gimmick wasn¡t changed in TV. For example, imagine thah Glen Jacobs won the WWF title under the Dentist Isaaac gimmick, norunder the Kanes gimmick. He changed his gimmick behind TV and won the TTC and IC. If Jacobs win the title with a gimmick without relation with the gimmick who win the other titles, he is a Triple Crown? Is similar, if Nick Nemeth win the IC Championship, he will we a Potential triple crown champion (IC & Tag Team with Spirit Squad) or no, because his gimmicks are different.?--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Gimmicks have nothing to do with anything, it is the wrestler that wins the titles. But as Nemeth has only won the tag title then he is only a potential potential champion. Darrenhusted (talk) 14:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

If the wrestler has won one of the two tag titles, they shouldn't need the other set, is this correct?74.136.5.234 (talk) 19:29, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Eric Young and Kaz?

Should they be included on the potential triple crown championships, when their tag title reign, and Young's X Division title reign, are heavily disputed and not even officially recognized?

TNA recognized the reigns while they were all champions for a short time. All that has to be done is the company recognize them for a second to be official. TNA no longer recognizing them isn't a big deal. TNA however do recognizing stripping them of the titles.--WillC 03:16, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

US TITLE INCLUSION

I think it's about time we included it as a secoundary championship —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.107.19.28 (talk) 17:42, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Where is your source it is apart of the accomplishment?--WillC 05:48, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

US Title Exclusion

The WWE have officially defined the criteria here. The United States Championship is excluded, of course. Remember that the US title is the continuation of a WCW title and therefore not part of the "WWE' Triple Crown. Raaggio 20:40, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Triple Crown champions/key Table Order

In the article for Grand Slam Champions, the champions table is followed by the key table, whereas in this article the key table comes first - I assume they should be the same, but I'm unsure as to which is correct (or even preferred). Anyody who does know fancy sorting it out? BulbaThor (talk) 21:51, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Abyss - TNA Triple Crown

Time to add Abyss? He just won the television title Sunday night and has already held the heavyweight (NWA) and tag team belts (NWA) before. Not sure if holding the NWA belts counts against him, though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snorii (talk • contribs) 22:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

According to TNA, the Legends/Global/Television title is a tertiary championship not part of their triple crown but part of their grand slam. The X Division title is a secondary title that does make up part of the triple crown. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 22:35, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Dolph Ziggler

I don't like the guy, mostly because I'm an admitted MARK, but he is a triple crowner now. 65.43.96.3 (talk) 13:48, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Thats what I am wondering. Will WWE count him seeing as one reign was under a different name

• Bottom line---Ziggler has won all of the proper titles to be a TC winner, regardless of the gimmick.

• In other words, the man behind the gimmick is what counts. He won the belts, thus he's a TC winner, period.

Vjmlhds 16:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

i dont think so as wwe does indeed count his world title reign and intercontinental reigns but on his wwe page they do not list a tag team title reign and as he did not officialy win it as kenny and mikey did. and just because he defended under the freebird rule it doesnt mean it counts so i dont think wwe offically recognizes him as a triple crown champion so unless you find a source from wwe.com i say take it down — Preceding unsigned comment added by Black60dragon (talk • contribs) 03:06, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

The Freebird Rule specifically states that all members are recognized as Champions, and any two can defend the titles.

WWE did this themselves years ago with Demolition once Crush came on board. Same thing with the Spirit Squad.

All 5 guys were recognized as Champions, and any 2 could defend the belts. Therefore, Ziggler counts.

Vjmlhds 16:03, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

ROH triple crown

Being that ROH is the 3rd largest US wrestling promotion behind WWE & TNA I think they deserve a section for triple crowns. They currently only have one, Eddie Edwards, who has won the tag title, tv title, and world title.76.84.241.161 (talk) 03:31, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

A Triple Crown or even a Grand Slam championship isnt a atandard accomplishment that all promotions recognize. The only reason WWE and TNA have sections here is because they do recognize such accomplishments. ROH has as of date made no indication that they recognize a Triple Crown championship.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 04:18, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

ecw and wcw did aswell so we should add them i have links below and the list i have the tables in my sandbox i also think we should list that wwe does not count completing it twice as far as we know but i think we should list those you have. (for example)Even though WWE does not count completing it more than once Edge has completed it a record five times. Same for grand slam as well as .Jeff hardy has completed the Grand Slam a record three times in a row. i also have ovw and roh if they accept it and those are the titles but anyway i really think we should do those three. list the wcw and ecw and list in the description those who have completed more than once --Black60dragon (talk) 22:24, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Here's your source about the ROH Triple Crown:

ROH Triple Crown

It's straight from the ROH website, so there should be no problems.

Eddie Edwards is in fact an ROH TC winner.

Thank You.

Vjmlhds 15:37, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Here is an article that states ROH would recognize the (now defunct) Pure Championship as a substitute for the TV Title as part of the ROH Triple Crown:

Pure Title = TV Title for Triple Crown

Vjmlhds 17:35, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

good find^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 20:28, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

ECW WCW and others

i think we need to list that wcw had a triple crown and ecw had a triple crown http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/archive/cardonahired its on here its says Mikey Whipwreck the ecw triple crown

• ECW
• -
• Name______________ ECW World_________ECW Tag ECW_______________________________World Television
• Johnny Hotbody______April 26, 1992_______April 3, 1993 (with Chris Candido and Chris Michaels) August 12, 1992
• Sabu ______________October 2, 1993______February 4, 1995 (with The Tazmaniac)____________November 13, 1993
• Mikey Whipwreck____October 28, 1995_____August 27, 1994 (with Cactus Jack)_______________March 6, 1994
• Taz________________January 10, 1999_____December 4, 1993 (with Kevin Sullivan)_____________March 6, 1994
• -
• OVW
• Name___________OVW Heavyweight__OVW Southern Tag Team__________________OVW Television
• Brent Albright____April 25, 2005______March 31, 2004 (with Chris Masters)__________January 5, 2005
• CM Punk________May 3, 2006______July 28, 2006 (with Seth Skyfire)______________November 9, 2005
• Idol Stevens______March 14, 2007___October 10, 2003 (with Nova)_________________January 4, 2006
• -
• WCW
• WCW Triple Crown
• NWA World Title (1975-1991)/WCW World Title (1991-2001)
• U.S. Title (1975-Mar. 26, 2001)
• NWA/WCW World Tag Team Title (1975-Mar. 26, 2001)
• Dusty Rhodes
• Ric Flair
• Ricky Steamboat
• Sting
• Lex Luger
• DDP
• Bret Hart
• Goldberg
• Chris Benoit
• Booker T
• Scott Steiner
• All except Goldberg and Hart are also Grand Slam winners, as they held the TV Title as well.
• -
• ROH
• ROH World Title (2002-present)
• TV Title (2010-present)
• ROH Tag Team Title (2002-present)
• Eddie Edwards

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Black60dragon/Sandbox here is the tables its at the bottom of the page already made when you add it Black60dragon (talk) 04:21, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Issue being it only mentions him as an ECW Triple Crown Champion, not what it is. Also, there is no source for any of the others.--WillC 09:46, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/columns/misc/bgedgington01.html if its reliable a few things 1 i didnt put sources because i havent looked any up yet i will later but as for the ecw thing i mean really think about it here is the list of all the ecw championships 1.ECW World Heavyweight Championship 2.ECW World Tag Team Championship 3.ECW World Television Championship

so as there are only 3 titles in ecw and whipwreck as won only those three those are what count toward the triple crown as for roh well need to see if they accept triple crowns and ovw and wcw we can find links but the ovw is official for sure and wcw im pretty sure it is as heres the wcw titles 1.WCW World Heavyweight Championship 2.WCW World Tag Team Championship 3.WCW United States Championship 4.WCW World Television Championship Black60dragon (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

NWA

• http://midwestwrestling.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=203%3Aannouncing-qthe-sheikq-nwa-triple-crown-champion-accepting-booking-now&catid=15%3Alatest-news&Itemid=116
• http://www.luchaworld.com/?p=2248
• http://angrymarks.com/?ArticleID=9469
• He is the first man in the history of the NWA (National Wrestling Alliance) to hold a state, regional and continental title all at the same time making him the first NWA TRIPLE CROWN winner!
• if these work — Preceding unsigned comment added by Black60dragon (talk • contribs) 15:34, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Ladies Triple Crown

If Mickie James wins the Knockouts title, should we make a Ladies Triple Crown? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.225.21 (talk) 01:11, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

See Original Research. Unless its recognize by the appropriate parties, we do not just simply make stuff up. There is currently no such thing as a "Ladies Triple Crown."^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 07:20, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Then why do we count Dolph Ziggler as one if WWE does not count him as one —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.225.21 (talk) 18:36, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Dohlph Zigler won the World Heavyweight Championship in February 2011, the Intercontinental Championship in June 2010, His World Tag Team Championship reign came as a result of being a member of the Spirit Squad in April 2006. (That's not making anything up since it actually happened)^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 21:13, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Still, everyone says that if its not counted on WWE.com, its not official and Dolph Ziggler isn't in the Triple Crown section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.225.21 (talk) 22:34, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

First of all, who says its not counted on WWE.com, and where is Ziggler not listed in a Triple Crown section? See WP:BURDEN. Prove it and it'll be changed accordingly.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 00:55, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

WCW

Should there be a WCW Triple Crown if anybody won it there? Iml908 (talk) 13:13, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

The Miz

Hi all, shouldn't The Miz be in this list?

I would add him but I don't know the dates which he won the titles.