Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 April 13

April 13

Template:Teenage Apocalypse Trilogy

Template:Teenage Apocalypse Trilogy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This will never be used on more than three articles and all three of the films are already in the complete template for all of Gregg Araki's films. This template serves no purpose. Harley Hudson (talk) 20:38, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Mootros (talk) 23:16, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

• Delete. Internal links in the article should be more than enough for a trilogy, unless it were to have many articles about different aspects of the trilogy (characters and whatnot). Star Wars Original Trilogy plus characters plus miscellany? Infobox. This? Nothing. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox aircraft/help

Template:Infobox aircraft/help (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Long out-of-date documentation superceded by that in template:infobox aircraft/doc. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 12:56, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

• It's not documentation. It's intended to be used to provide a skeleton for a user to substitute into a page. Once substituted, they can then populate the fields without having to remember the exact names of all the template's fields or what purpose they serve. Instead of having to navigate to the documentation page, the user can copy the commented skeleton directly into the article they're editing. Karl Dickman ^talk 14:27, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  The documentation page already contains such a skeleton, and it is no more effort to copy and paste it than it would be to substitute a different template. It dates from years back when we didn't have support for proper documentation pages on templates and is basically redundant to the documentation we have now. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 15:36, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

• Delete, we already have a skeleton on the documentation page. Frietjes (talk) 20:35, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox pope

Template:Infobox pope (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox Christian leader}}. Check User:Magioladitis/Sandbox for instance. We can delete or redirect there. Magioladitis (talk) 08:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

• Redirect, but first change all instances to use the type = pope parameter. Frietjes (talk) 15:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
• Redirect per Frietjes. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 15:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
• Keep and Update. Popes have relevent fields of the infobox (which should be updated) that are not common to other Christian leaders.

1. Popes take regnal names, therefore info fields for their birth names are needed
2. Popes are not simply enthroned into a diocese like other Christian leaders (eg. bishops), rather their papacy is more like a reign
3. Include info/links for the conclave which they were elected in. Perhaps pertinent to note when the conclave began and ended, which gives an idea to how many ballots were needed to elect the pope
4. As popes are required to be elected from the conclave, dates of all of their ordinations and elevations should be included

There may be others. - Alvincura (talk) 17:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. Popes are inherently different entities and are distinct from Christian leaders. I find this suggestion very strange, and a total waste of time anyway. There is so much content to improve, just deleting templates at will, wastes time and does not help readers. Just keep it and move on to improve article content elsewhere. By the way, the nominator can not vote, and the vote should be by others. History2007 (talk) 15:41, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Did you actually look at the code used by this template? All it does is take the parameters and pass them straight to {{Infobox Christian leader}}. By definition, I would call that redundant. Where did the nominator vote? Frietjes (talk) 21:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. I find that trying to make an infobox "one-size-fits-all" causes it to be more complicated than it's worth. And why the pope infobox, and not {{Infobox cardinal}}? --Bwpach (talk) 19:51, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
  • It already is one-size-fits-all, it just passes the parameters to {{Infobox Christian leader}}. Your comment about the cardinal box is correct, it should also be redirected after adding the |type=Cardinal to each use. Frietjes (talk) 21:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
• Keep per Alvincura. Also, none of the fields available in {{Infobox Christian leader}} ("Appointed," "Enthroned") suitably describes elevation to the papacy, so we would suffer a loss in meaning if we tried to shoehorn popes into the generic infobox.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 20:03, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Really? None of the fields? Seems strange since {{Infobox pope}} just cals {{Infobox Christian leader}} without modification. Frietjes (talk) 21:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)