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Help Wanted I'm looking for a kind editor who can upload images to Commons for me, from time to time. I can only upload small, low-resolution files, due to my location. So, I need someone to go to the website that has the full-resolution image and grab it. Then replace the low-resolution file with the newer, full-resolution file. If you can help, please do, and add done to let me know. I would be enormously grateful, and will do any Wikidirtywork that you ask in return. Here are some that need doing: Automat: File source, Destination at Commons Done Automat: File source, Destination at Commons Done Khat: File source, Destination at Commons Done Somali people: File source, Destination at Commons Done Hampi: File source, Destination at Commons Done Erhu: File source, Destination at Commons Done

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Dog meat

Anna, be reassured that there's nothing fishy going on. My guess is that it's a lurker who knows my position on the issue and forgot to log in after noticing my recent edits perhaps? I have no idea. I do know however that there have been other dissenters during my absence. The sky is not going to fall if your image isn't up 24/7. Let's see if the anon logs in and contributes in talk page. In the meantime, please relax with the accusations, reversions and assume good faith.Melonbarmonster2 (talk) 10:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Noted. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Changing Lives Through Literature

Hey, I ran across a topic that might interest you and make for a good DYK. It is similar to the work we did with Faces of Meth, but far more productive in terms of actual results.[1]. I've only created a redirect at this point, but if you are inspired, you can turn it into a new article. Viriditas (talk) 20:54, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Some ideas for a stub:

Changing Lives Through Literature (CLTL) is an alternative sentencing program that teaches literature to criminals. The program was created in Massachusetts by professor Robert Waxler and judge Robert Kane in 1991 and is now found throughout the United States.

It looks good. I'll check it out. Thanks! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:56, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I started a stub over at User:Viriditas/Changing Lives Through Literature. Viriditas (talk) 03:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

File:Hainan Island topographical.jpg

I just uploaded the new version for you, but I'm not sure this is the correct process. In this particular case, the procedure is to upload a derivative as a new file. Would you like me to fix this? Viriditas (talk) 02:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Derivative. Oh no. Is that a problem? I've done that before, but I think it involved more than just filling in the box with "derivative". I had to jump through commons-hoops. Let me know how I can help or what to do. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:45, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

I'll leave it for now, but let me know if you want me to upload a new version (derivative) and leave the old one. This allows others to use the blank map if you so desire. Viriditas (talk) 03:02, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 22 April 2011

The newsletter of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – Volume 4, 22 April 2011 This is the fourth issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed. Voting begins for steering committee - The voting phase for the Wikipedia Ambassador Steering Committee election started this week, and will continue through 27 April. Seeking more Regional Ambassadors in the US - We are still looking for Regional Ambassadors for the United States! The deadline has been extended to Friday, April 29th. India pilot being organized now - Plans are currently underway for a pilot expansion of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – in India! Hisham Mundol and other Wikimedia staff have begun recruiting Campus Ambassador candidates for Pune. Document DYK, peer review and other milestone at the trophy case - If students you are working with (or any others you notice) are doing work that makes to DYK, is nominated for Good Article status, or is just solid content worth marking, then please help us document the students' success at the trophy case. Ambassador program at Wikimania - We're planning a set of Wikipedia Ambassador Program presentations for Wikimania 2011, in Haifa this August. Changes to mailing list - A new low-volume mailing list, [Ambassador-announce-l], is being created. It will be reserved for key announcements and news, which we'd like all ambassadors to be subscribed to.

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I heard you were feeling a bit batty

The question is, how batty? This batty? :) Viriditas (talk) 04:06, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Add one belfry and that's bang on. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:51, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

My bad

Resonded to your message on my talk page, but I can tell you're upset over my misunderstandng of our prior communication. I don't do this wikilove stuff much but please accept this as an apology. Best, StrPby (talk) 15:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello Anna Frodesiak, Strange Passerby has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
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Asking for help and advice

Hello, Anna:

We just finished the draft for Invasive Species in US article. Here is our sandbox. Could you give us some suggestions?Thanks

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Chinese herbology

"Thanks for the contributions, but at 20:05, 24 April 2011 I reverted your edits because the claims need to be sourced upon entry into the article. One can't simply make such claims as "...This herb is used to drain dampness and heat from the body...", mainly because, well, there's no evidence that it is true, or even makes sense scientifically. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)"

"is an underground stem that is one of the bitterest herbs used in Chinese medicine. while bitter taste is thought to dispel heat, purge the bowels and get rid of dampness by drying them out."

This herb being one of the most bitter herbs (as stated in the article) will logically drain heat and dampness just as the flavor portion of the article above explains. It's also a rhizome by the way.

I have been talking about the use of the herb from Chinese medical perspective. Being a doctor of Chinese medicine I am educated and qualified to provide this position, and there are many current and ancient materia medica to draw upon for understanding the traditional usage, the information on the usage of the herbs should include its actual usage rather than western medical scientific data, which doesn't really determine its usage today. however i have added the supposition 'is used to...blah blah' not 'is scientifically proven to'.

"I reverted again. Sorry again. If you want to add the species names, etc. please do. But again, the content you are adding about the effects on the body of these substances is not fact. Statements like "...increases urination because the herb goes to the bladder channel and it clears heat as a result of the cold quality..." just make no sense. Qualifying the statement with the disclaimer: "...traditional beliefs hold that..." two sentences earlier, just isn't good enough. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:37, 24 April 2011 (UTC)"

Being that this is an article about chinese herbs and their usage, shouldn't information on how they are actually used by practitioners today be included? The actual 'how' of chinese herbs is rather poorly explained. Chinese herbology and the usage of the herbs as medicine through this medical system rely heavily on the 5 flavors, 4 natures and the interactions with the channels to explain the functions of the herbs. Also knowledge of basic theory (5 pathogens, internal and external causes of disease, channel and organ associations, organ functions) would help enable understanding of the how and why of chinese herbs.

Ginger has been proven through western medical research over and over to be a nausea treatment, but in china it was known for much longer because of the herbal information available. This is historical knowledge combined modern research to form what is almost common knowledge today, most women who go to an 'alternative' practitioner for morning sickness are given some form of ginger for treatment, ect. I find this article to be somewhat crude and i would dearly like to improve it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wren19 (talk • contribs) 22:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

In my materia medica its just panax ginseng for the asian variety. Also wikipedia's article on ginseng shows the asian variety to be under the heading 'panax ginseng'. its the Araliaceae family but its not used in the nomenclature that i can see anywhere.

here is a quote from the ginseng wiki page: "Panax ginseng Asian ginseng (root)

According to Traditional Chinese Medicine, Panax ginseng promotes yang energy, improves circulation, increases blood supply, revitalizes and aids recovery from weakness after illness, and stimulates the body. It is available in four forms:" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wren19 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

"Salvia can be taken alone or consumed with other herbs, teas or pills" this is absolutely irrelevent and not specific to salvia, pretty much all herbs can be taken in this fashion. Deleting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wren19 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

The Meridians

The meridians refer to which organs the herb acts upon. For example, traditional beliefs hold that menthol is pungent, cool and is linked with the lungs and the liver, and since the lungs are the organ which protects the body from invasion from cold and influenza, menthol can help purge coldness in the lungs and invading heat toxins caused by hot "wind.""

The how the meridians are used in chinese herbal medicine is more than just the organs that they act upon. Meridians have skin pathways, internal pathways and specific organ mechanisms. Its not so cut and dry as so say that the meridian's involvement in directly related to the organ that the meridian coorsponds with.

Sorry there is no such thing as hot 'wind' in chinese medicine, its called a wind-heat invasion. Bad translation that someone must have refereed to. This is also a poor example, and actually incorrect. Menthol cannot purge coldness from the lungs because it is a cold herb, it will only make the lungs more cold with its cooling function. And the lungs protect the body from invasion of more than just cold, its wind, cold and heat, those are the 3 exterior conditions that the lung qi (wei gi) wards off. Better to say it wards of colds, because the invastions that the lung qi wards off are actually what we would see as the 'common cold' just different differentiations of it(All external invasions are considered instigated by wind, more feverish and sore throat = heat, more chills and achey= cold, runny nose = dampness). Changing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wren19 (talk • contribs) 22:44, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I would like to paste this over at Talk:Chinese herbology and continue the thread there. Many thanks for the thoughtful comments. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:25, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

My wiki article

Hi Anna! I saw your posting on my entry. So glad you like it, it took me HOURS to finish it. :) Thank you so much for following up on it. I greatly apologize for not keeping in touch. I was actually able to refer to your pages you posted earlier in the semester for help. Let me know how it reads, I've been told I could skim back a little. Thanks! Football1502 (talk) 12:51, 25 April 2011 (UTC) Football1502

I just posted my comments on your talk. Good job! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:29, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Somov Sea

Hi Anna, there are a few listings of Somov Sea in Google Books. I haven't looked through all of them, but the first one should be sufficient. By the way, I am in the process of completing the marginal seas in different WPs (mainly German and English, since the French one appears complete meanwhile with 14 marginal seas of the Southern Ocean). The English WP still has four missing, I had added Cosmonaut Sea and Cooperation Sea recently. Greetings,--Ratzer (talk) 15:58, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm so sorry to revert. I looked high an low. I checked you contribs and knew you weren't making it up. I actually started Levantine Sea and I think somebody screamed hoax. I can't quite remember. Please add it back. Best wishes and no offence intended. Double smiles. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

No offense taken (smiles returned). I didn't know about the Levantine Sea. We learn from each other, one nice thing about WP. Greetings,--Ratzer (talk) 16:32, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK

Just an FYI, but I nominated Jihadi tourism for Did You Know. I think that you've gotten it into pretty good shape over the past couple of days. Feel free to suggest an alternative hook. Qrsdogg (talk) 17:02, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Good plan. And to think it was up for speedy. Thanks for challenging that. My guess is that in a couple of years, the article will have some meat to it.

As for the DYK, is it long enough? Which aspect? The museum or the terrorist training, or both somehow? Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

It's definitely long enough, the page size script I use is showing 2,754 characters and the minimum is 1,500. The hook that I proposed was "... that popular destinations for Jihadi tourism have included the Tourist Landmark of the Resistance and the Al-Quds Mosque Hamburg?" I guess there are a few different directions the hook could take, that was just the first that came to mind.

BTW, I really like your userpage, it reminds me a bit of Giano's page actually. Hopefully one day I'll have that kind of editing skill. Qrsdogg (talk) 02:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment.

I like the dual definition hook. To avoid "...have included...", why not freak people out with "...and Somali terrorist training camps...".? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually, that one works pretty well. Qrsdogg (talk) 04:33, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Which one?

I think "...Tourist Landmark of the Resistance..." will draw the eye away from the good stuff and won't make immediate sense. Can we swap in the shorter:

[[Tourist Landmark of the Resistance|a war museum]]
or
an [[Tourist Landmark of the Resistance|historical site]]

This would appear as:

"...that popular destinations for Jihadi tourism have included a war museum and Somali terrorist training sites?"

"...that popular destinations for Jihadi tourism have included an historical site and Somali terrorist training sites?"

Are we allowed to link that way?Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

It's short. It's got teeth. The blue links jump right out. Should bring big page hits. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:47, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Good thinking there. I think the alt with the war museum would work best, piping other links in the hook is typically fine (I think). I'll add it to the DYK. Qrsdogg (talk) 04:58, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I like it too. I hope the pipe is okay. Now we've got Jihadi, war, Somali, and terrorist all blue and visually dominant. Readers will be on it like ugly on an ape. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:02, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

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Award

		Wikipedia Ambassador Barnstar
		For being an excellent mentor and sticking with your mentees from start to (near) finish, I award you the Wikipedia Ambassador Barnstar. Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 01:40, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much. It's been a pleasure helping out. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:29, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

The Sutton Place Hotel

Hi Anna, thank you, you really are very funny, made my evening. I'm sure I'll be touch sooner than you think. My facebook page is Nick Egan (obviously), you and OlEnglish and Ocaasi are more than welcome as friends, you'll just have to mention your wiki names when you request (of course you may not want to be my friend which is also cool - I think, if I can handle the rejection)

Enjoy the rest of Fucking Royal Wedding day

It was a pleasure to chat with you too. I looked you up on google images. Nice work indeed.

I live in China, so Facebook is blocked here. But, I work on Wikipedia here a lot. If you ever need a hand, just ask, and you can always drop in for a quick hello.

I'm very pleased this royal shindig isn't on TV here. It if were, well, it would be the end of that TV in about 30 seconds, and I'd have to buy a new one.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:55, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Editing my article

Hi Anna, I've reviewing your comments and making the edits right now. When you say "shorten the lead" I'm not sure what that means. What's the lead? Thanks! Football1502 (talk) 13:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC) Football1502

I'm on IRC if you want. In my notes, I suggested shortening the lead last, very last. Remember, these are just my opinions. Your opinions count too. Generally, the lead should be a summary of the key points in the article. The lead, last time I looked, contained a lot more than that. I'll wait for you to see if you want to IRC, or if you want me to help with the edit. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:14, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Here's the IRC connection: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#wikipedia

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi Anna I'm trying to join, it seems to be booting me. Give me a few minutes. Football1502 (talk) 13:29, 29 April 2011 (UTC) Football1502

It might be overloaded. Try http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#wikipedia-en-ambassadors

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

An Honour

Wow Anna,

Did you bestow upon me the Order of the Wikipedian? I just noticed I had access to the 5 Lessons (or whatever they're called) Certainly a privilege, I promise to uphold the noble task of Wikipedian's everywhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Egan (talk • contribs) 14:42, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I'll be watching you! :) :) P.S. I replied above too. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:55, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Weeds

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Hearfourmewesique (talk) 13:37, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Policies promoting wireless broadband

Unfortunately, references and wlinks were a mess, and neither AWB nor reflinks could fix that automatically, thus my changes were manual, and obviously I don't want to loose my work. I guess there is/was some offline copyediting going on, which was the reason for revert (?) Materialscientist (talk) 08:35, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

One of my mentees from the Ambassador program will continue to make copy edits for the next two days. The post-reference consolidation copy will be more difficult to for her to manage visually. If it took a lot of time to do, don't worry about it. Let it stand, and she can work through it. Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:40, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd suggested she add

{{inuse}}

during an IRC, but it didn't happen. I didn't notice its absence. My mistake. No worries. Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:44, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

(ec)Ok. To clarify - I do value good copyedit more than all those formatting tweaks, and would revert if somebody have done off-line rewriting and their version was conflicting with mine. Otherwise, I would let it stay. Coding is lighter now. My reference naming can well be changed for easy recognition. Two minor points: (i) once an article is in the main space, edit conflicts are inevitable (I came there through DYK), sandboxing is one way to avoid that and complete personal edits (uninvited intrusions to a personal sandbox can be reverted at will); "inuse" is also a possibility, but it is usually limited to several hours; (ii) blind wikilinking, especially of common terms is not helpful - the article had 30 or so links to disambig pages, and most of those links were not necessary. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 08:49, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Of course let it stay. I thought at the time I reverted that you'd just run reflinks. I didn't know you spent all that time doing it manually.

About your points: (i) Agreed. It hit the mainspace before being quite ready. (ii) We did a 4 hour IRC and didn't get to blind wikilinking. It's on her to do list.

Anyway, no problem at all. We are grateful for your work on it. Thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:11, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

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Climatic Research Unit email controversy

Hi Anna, you deserve the thanks of everyone involved in that article for attempting to cut through the mess and clarify what is needed to resolve the existing issues. I'm only sorry that your efforts have been rewarded by many many more keystrokes that don't obviously appear to be getting us anywhere. As one of the silent watchers, I don't really want to risk my sanity by getting involved in the arguments - I've rarely found it a pleasant experience to take part in discussions on Wikipedia's climate pages. Mikenorton (talk) 13:45, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Well thank you! That's very nice of you to say. It is indeed a pity that it's still going on without apparent progress. I think they should either hash out a new lead, sentence by sentence on talk, or each agree to a max 20 words to spell out their side. Then at least others would know the positions and could weigh in. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:17, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Let me just add my thanks to those you have already received. Was very brave of you to poke your head into that particular hornets' nest. Your suggestion is a fine one too. Perhaps what they should do is write a highly condensed and inoffensive lead (say one or two sentences) and then add a sentence (or even a phrase) at a time only after it's agreed on the talk page. Best of luck if you do decide to venture back there. --Thepm (talk) 22:54, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you too! I like your suggestion. I would have been brave only had I gone in and tried to argue for one side or another.

Maybe another solution would be to get a group of high school students to write a new lead, and tell the current combatants that they have to sit there and only watch for a week. Of course, they would go insane and need sedatives. It would be as nerve-wracking for them as watching a group of chimpanzees play with a machine gun.

BTW, it's on its way to a half a million characters (361,074). If the average article contents is around 3,000 characters, then that's the equivalent of 120,000 articles. There must be a better way of coming to consensus. It's like that episode of Star Trek where the half-black-half-white guys are fighting for eternity. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

It was a good idea, wasn't it. Ah well. I like the idea of high school students too. Another idea is to impose a three month ban anyone who has any opinion on the matter at all. That way we could at least clean up some of the more egregious attacks upon the English language.

Anyway, I have now taken it off my watch list and decided to go and play quietly in some of the dustier recesses of wikipedia. It's very quiet there, but the dust does play merry hell with my hayfever. --Thepm (talk) 02:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

No vandalism

Hi dear, you adressed me on my TP about one of my recent edits, it wouldn't have been 'constructive'. Please read my edit again and note that I removed a double notation. Also please remove your edit on my TP. Matthias92 (talk) 21:51, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello. The edit in question is this. You removed: "...Prime Minister Stoltenberg of Norway pledged $1 million USD dollars...." with no explanation in the edit summary. When you say "double notation", do you mean that it appears twice? It doesn't seem to.

My apologies in advance, but I don't understand why you removed it? Best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:44, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to jump in but the Norwegian donation appeared at the top of the list then again half way down. This is what he means by "double notation". ► Philg88 ◄ ^talk 00:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Ha ha ha. You're right, all of you. I'm terribly sorry. I kept searching it and it didn't appear on the list. Chrome search has refuses to do it's thing sometimes, but not recently. I think I'm just losing my marbles. Time for me to check into the puzzle factory. Anyway, sorry for my mistake Matthias92. Thanks for restoring it Hearfourmewesique. And thanks for jumping in Philg88. :) :) :) Triple smiles. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:17, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

(It is possible that I was looked at the diff, saw one entry remain and said: "Gee. It's only there once. Not twice." According to my parents and the good folks at the special needs centre, I'm "actually that stupid.".) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:26, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Thx all ;) Matthias92 (talk) 11:15, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Death of Osama bin Laden conspiracy theories for deletion

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