User talk:Fache

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Argentine football

Hi, I've noticed your excellent work on maintaining Argentine football current squads and templates. Just a few things,

• When you remove a player that has an article, from a current squad or template, could you update the player article too, so it doesn't sit around with inaccurate information because no-one can find it.
• We have an Argentine football wikiproject here. Feel free to sign up, make comments or suggestions, request articles, put articles on the list of articles for improvement or whatever.

Keep up the good work. Kind regards English peasant 15:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

No i'm not an admin. you could ask Angelo Romano or Alexf. They are both helpful when I need stuff sorting out. English peasant 12:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Argentine football transfers June-August 2008

Sorry for identifying your edit as vandalism. The large removal of information seemed to constitute vandalism, but I now see that you were probably still in the process of improving the page.

Once again, I do apologise, hence why I didn't issue a warning.

Keep up the excellent work on Argentine football :).

TheSuave (talk) 15:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Argentine football transfers

You are doing excellent work on this article. There is so much work to keep Argentine football articles updated, it is great that I am not working alone beacuse I have so much less time to edit these days. Kind regards EP 22:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

transfers

Hi mate, just a quick note to thank you for your excellent work on the latest transfer article. It is good to see that Argentine football articles are in good hands even though I am currently "out of the game". I hope to be back sometime in August maybe. Regards King of the North East 21:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Argentine Transfers Summer 2009

Hey Fasche, thanks for the note on my page. I agree with your suggestions regarding the latest transfer article. I had just used the same formatting as the previous articles, but the Dutch transfers article does have a more attractive format. I would suggest leaving the references in for transfers not included on the Supermercados page from ole, though. I think only a few of those listed would be affected. Thanks, Discus26 (talk) 02:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Juán Docabo

Please do not move pages again without prior discussion. Regards, GiantSnowman 19:56, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Saying "there's nothing to discuss" is just plain wrong as a rule of thumb. However, it would appear that you are right, so I have moved it back. In future, please discuss page moves - provide evidence rather than just move them. Thanks, GiantSnowman 20:04, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, my time isn't valuable in the slightest! :) GiantSnowman 20:13, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I just love football! I think I've written at least one article for most countries of the world...GiantSnowman 20:37, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Leonardo Marcelo Morales

Hi, I noticed that there are no references on the latest transfers article. The reason we used them originally was to meet WP:RS. I've been checking the listed articles and came across Leonardo Marcelo Morales. I can't find much evidence as to whether he moved to Arsenal or not. I've not got much editing time these days. Could you check it out for me. Cheers King of the North East 21:05, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Enzo Peréz move

Done. --Angelo (talk) 00:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Escudero - reply

Hi there FACHE, VASCO from Portugal here,

No man, in no way was the summary in this player's article meant as a personal attack, i tend to (over)exaggerate on many of my summaries, excuse me if you felt offended in any way.

Also, thank you very much for your explanations regarding my (now i see it is wrong) edit, hopefully we can work together well if the occasion "arises". Again, sorry for any incovenience.

Kind regards as well, have a nice weekend - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Naming of Argentine lower leagues' clubs

Hi, I also regret the fact that User:King of the North East has retired, specially since he created and kept up to date most Argentine football articles. Anyways, I don't know if there was ever a naming discussing about the Argentine lower leagues clubs, but I do know that there have been several club naming discussions on WT:FOOTY and the consensus is usually to either use the official name or the commonly use name, the consensus changes on a case by case, the use of the official names might come from an old consensus and the other as you know is from WP:COMMONNAME. I personally don't mind the changes that you want to do, but it might be best to discuss it on WT:FOOTY. Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 16:08, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Vélez Sársfield

Hi Fache, I see you've converted Vélez Sársfield to a disambig. Per WP:FIXDABLINKS, could you help clean up the links that now point to a disambig? Thanks, --JaGa^talk 11:23, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Adalberto Román‎

If Ole.com is indeed a reliable source with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy, then I have no objection to your removing the {notable} tag I placed on the then unsourced article. Active Banana (talk) 03:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Action necessary (?)

Hi there FACHE, VASCO here,

after seeing your message to this anon user (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:190.45.221.146), i also sent him a (related) message. Please see how he, in Nivaldo Batista Santana, IMMEDIATELY reverted my edit after the message, without one word in summary.

Well, maybe he speaks no English (as so many editors here, which brings the topic "Why do they edit here?"), so i left him a message in Spanish. If he continues to operate as he does, i feel action might be necessary (block - which would be easy, his IP is standard - or page protection).

Have a great week, cheers - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:25, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for your sources, now i'm really confused abouth which COLO-COLO. Perhaps if he reverts again, i'll leave it be, although this lack of communication is really frustrating.

Yes man, for reasons which i don't know, the English wiki is BY FAR the better one (although all versions are there for possible improvement(s), 90% if not more of the people want to edit in this version, rather than in the others - no wonder then it's better :) !). Regarding you, you do not merit, in my opinion, just a 2 in your English level, but a 3 if not a 4, really impressive my friend. I have (as you for sure) however come across some very poor stuff, including the translation of players' names (see this "cracker" as example http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Juan_Pablo_Ruiz_P%C3%A9rez&diff=prev&oldid=310132166); this "user" in particular, Wajeehj, has the custom of the following: sees texts in ES.WIKI, what does he do? Copy/pastes then "translates" to the English wiki, quite strange...

Again, thanks for your assistance and happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:57, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

AFD

There is a drop-down list to the right of where you can edit, bookmark and move called "TW". You can select what you want from there, add your reason and it'll do it automatically. I haven't done one for ages, which is why I think I did Branko de Tellería's wrong, but Damián Martínez's looks right. Hope that helps. Argyle 4 Life^talk 15:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Talkback re Celso Ortiz

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Notable players

Hi there, I seen your recent edits on the "notable players" sections, I think that you are right about wanting references, but I was wondering should all the players be referenced or only the ones without an article? I ask 'cause I could add a reference link to all the Boca players, but that's like 100 or so references, doesn't it make more sense to only added them to the players without an article, since the players with an article most like already have a reference link or external link which backs up the claim that they played 50 or more matches. Let me know what you think. Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 23:08, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, just finished adding the reference links to the players without an article, I removed the references need template, but left the other. For now I'll leave match required at 50, but will probably increase it to 100 later, although players like Fernado Gago and José Orlando Berta won't make the cut, both are very liked by the fans, Berta even got a recognition award in La Bombonera in May of this year, but anyways will see who makes the cut and who doesn't. Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 00:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Just a quick note to say that Diego Maradona would also miss out on being listed as a notable Boca Juniors player if the criteria were changed to 100+ King of the North East 11:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

[copied from Bocafan76's talk]

You can always establish a more detailed criteria to avoid cutting out notable players that don't satisfy the 100 games. Check what I did at Vélez (link): 100 games, or an individual award (e. g. league top scorer), or 20 national team games, or a World Cup participation. In the future, I plan to tidy it up in sections, even if that means repeating the same player in all four of them (Chilavert satisfies the 4 criterias).

Anyway, I leave it to your creativity and good judgement. Improving those sections in Argentine clubs is long overdue. Regards.

[end of copy-paste]

There are alternatives, I'm not asking for any specific criteria, just something more noteworthy than 50 games. With the current criteria Gustavo Barros Schelotto and Diego Crosa are notable Boca players. Of course, they were never included in the section because we know they are not notable. If we used another method we might not need to use our point of view to avoid these unintended inclusions. Fache (talk) 12:16, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it could be some thing like the Argentina notable players section (X amount of matches or X amount of goals scored with the club). I also would like to comment that, I wouldn't add this two things as requirements (played at least 20 international games for their national team at any time and been part of a FIFA World Cup squad at any time) since this two would make a player notable as a player, but not notable to the club, an example of this would be Luis Hernández, who was a notable player, specially for Necaxa, UANL and Mexico, but not notable for Boca. Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 16:08, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Fullnames

Hi there FACHE, VASCO here,

Yes, i see what you mean my friend, i am just guiding myself by the following: the article's full name, for an aesthetic purpose nothing more. It's not my fault that some articles have full names (like Vélez), more or less full names (S.L. Benfica) and names with just one word (Tacuary). What i sometimes do is hide the link of the article behind a full name (for example Club Tacuary).

Another thing that is highly inconsistent is the competition's names: we have things half in English half in native language (Argentine Primera División), stuff 100% in English (as it should in English WP - Belgian Cup) and some in "complete translation" (DFB-Pokal), no consensus here...

Kind regards as well (and again, sorry for any incovenience in my summaries, i get a bit hysterical sometimes), happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

• I also would like you to have a look at Ezequiel Castillo's article; some anon user keeps removing, without one word in summary, his last club. Can you tell me if he did play or not for that last club, Sportivo Patria? I hate when people "work" like that!! No summaries "smells of" vandalism, more when it's done more than once...

Thanks in advance, Aguante - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Logos re-subidos

Hola, quería comentarte que probé subir el primer logo (en este caso, del equipo de Boca de basket, el cual difiere en su diseño al del fútbol), a través de esta página: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Upload

El código que utilicé según lo que me habias explicado, fue éste:

{{logo fur
<!-- REQUIRED -->
 |Article           = Boca Juniors (basketball)
 |Use               = Org
<!-- HIGHLY RECOMMENDED -->
 |Source            = http://www.boca-basket.com.ar
<!-- ADDITIONAL INFORMATION -->
 |Used for          = Infobox
 |Owner             = Club Atlético Boca Juniors
 |Website           = http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar
 |History           = 
 |Commentary        = 
<!-- OVERRIDE FIELDS -->
 |Description       = The club crest of Club Atlético Boca Juniors basketball team
 |Portion           = Entire logo
 |Low_resolution    = Yes 
 |Purpose           = 
 |Replaceability    = Irreplaceable
 |other_information = 
}}

Aparentemente los pasos que hice eran correctos, pero el asunto es que el logo no me aparece en el enlace supuestamente asignado: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bocabasket_logo.png y por lo tanto no puedo linkear esa imagen en la página del club "Boca Juniors (basketball)".

¿Podrías ayudarme diciendo qué pude haber hecho mal, y por ende, cómo corregirlo? Gracias desde ya Fma12 (talk) 16:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Progreso de logos

Gracias por todo. Estuve subiendo el resto de los logos, para reemplazar a los alojados en commons. Si hubiera algo que corregir, por favor hacémelo saber. Saludos.  Fma12 (talk) 12:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Notificación

Hola FACHE, VASCO "al habla",

como puedes ver, este "usuario" chileno si tiene aceso a su página de mensajes, y los ha borrado a todos (ver aquí http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:190.45.221.146&diff=next&oldid=386234555). Como he podido ver en tu página, no te ha contestado, ya podemos dar buena fe de su "voluntad" de trabajar en equipo...

Un saludo, buena semana - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• Gracias por tu respuesta hombre :) En relación a lo de Germán Pacheco, sí, estoy al corriente de lo que pone en WP:CRYSTAL, pero mi modo de ver las cosas es este: hablando solamente de Europa, creo que solo en Inglaterra son los prestamos por pocos meses (tres, seis), en los demas países, creo que se hace "negocio" para la temporada entera.

Así, creo que quando se inicia el prestamo, si es de época entera, debemos poner (ej.) 2010/11 en el "box". Si por algo el acuerdo se va "al garete", entonces lo corregimos. Es solo mi opinión.

No se si eres de Boca o River (a lo mejor ninguno de los dos), pero que le ha pasado a Matías Almeyda? Que poción mágica se ha tomado el hombre, volviendo por sus fueros casi a los 40 añazos? En todo caso, saludos e que todo vaya bien Fache! - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 02:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• No tengo club de preferencia, pero tengo una debilidad por el Athletic Bilbao, creo que su filosofia es encomiable, equipos como el Madrid, el Manchester, el Barcelona (si bien este apuesta mucho por la cantera, suerte que les haya "tocado" Guardiola), el Chelsea, el "otro" Manchester "se lo comen y se lo guisan" todo. En mi país, también, con el Oporto y el Benfica comprando todo lo que se mueve; al contrario de tu Argentina - a lo mejor estoy equivocado, pero creo que no - en mi Portugal no hay ningun respeto al jugador nacional y a la cantera, creo que es demasiado, echa un vistazo a la plantilla del S.C. Braga aquí en WP, verás lo que hablo. Un saludo - ah y ya sabía que River tiene posibilidades de descender, me podrías explicar en qué consiste el "promedio" para que este u aquel bajen de categoría? Gracias de antemano! - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 03:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Logos y saludos

Realmente no había reparado hasta ahora (más por una distracción permanente antes que por otro motivo) que tenía la posibilidad de armarme yo mismo una página de usuario a manera de presentación. Y ciertamente tu plantilla me sirvió de mucho (luego de haber mirado las de otros usuarios que me convencían del todo) para orientarme e ir armando una pequeña semblanza sobre quién soy y qué hago en Wikipedia.

Gracias por la buena predisposición para ayudarme a mejorar como colaborador de este sitio. Y por la paciencia también, claro. Tengo bastante que aprender pero confío en que sabrás orientarme cuando lo necesite o alguna edición que realice, requiera una corrección. Seguiremos seguramente en contacto, saludos! --- Fma12 (talk) 05:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

El logo de Atenas ya lo tenia listo para subir, (ya está online) porque a mí también, al igual que a vos, me parecía bastante feo ese gif animado, y como soy diseñador gráfico (y por ende utilizo mucho el photoshop hace años), busqué un logo y lo retoqué para hacer algo mucho más presentable. Te diré que tuve que trabajar un poco aquí (ajustar bastante los tonos de color y demás) para lograr la calidad que quería, ya que sorpresivamente, no hay en la web imágenes de buena calidad de este escudo. Saludos --- Fma12 (talk) 23:10, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

El logo de Vélez ya está, le cambié los tonos para dejarlo azul (tirando a oscuro, siguiendo la línea del sitio web oficial del club); decime qué te parece, yo lo probé ver en dos monitores distintos y las intensidades difieren un poco segùn dónde lo veas (aunque ya no tiene ese tono violáceo del logo anterior, que es lo importante). Por otra parte, estoy bastante entretenido reemplazando y mejorando los escudos de los equipos del Torneo Argentino A, algunos de los cuales eran ciertamente deplorables. A tu disposición para cualquier "mangazo", no hay problema de mi parte en ayudar. Saludos Fma12 (talk) 19:35, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Ya está el escudo de la Confederación. Gracias a tu pedido me di cuenta que había cambiado (de hecho, tomé la imagen de la página de la CABB, para luego retocarla como suelo hacer). De paso te comento que modifiqué también el escudo de Platense, porque no sé si habrás notado que el que había era casi rojizo, parecía el de Lanús y ya me tenía algo obsesionado.... Seguimos en contacto, saludos. Fma12 (talk) 11:36, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Si, ahora estoy abocado a terminar los clubes de la LNB, sólo me queda uno. Buenísimo si te ocupás de los planteles, yo estoy ahora mismo terminando con el tema de los logos que faltan para la liga, me quedan pocos equipos y ya estarán todos los logos de cada uno. Fma12 (talk) 19:16, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

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Dudas

Ola FACHE que tal, VASCO "al habla",

hechando un vistazo a esto (ver aquí http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Player_mix-up - nadie se ha dignado a comentar todavía), podrías sacarme de dudas? Es que creo que el Díaz que jugó con Argentina sub-20 no es uno, si no el otro...

Muchas gracias por adelantado, saludos - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Uniformes históricos borrados

Hola Fache, espero que me recuerdes; te consulto por interesado y habitual editor en temas deportivos: estoy teniendo un problemita con este editor: PeeJay2K3, quien a causa de una controversia que tuvimos en la página del FIFA 10, parece que quedó resentido y me borra todos los edits, entre ellos metió mano en la página de Boca Juniors con el argumento que las camisetas históricas "no son contenido de enciclopedia", comentario poco objetivo si los hay. Recién acabo de restaurar las camisetas y escudos historicos que este personaje borró no sólo de Boca sino también de la selecciónes de Brasil y EEUU hasta donde yo sé. Obviamente sé que esto lo hace por rencoroso, pero te consulto a ver si se puede tomar alguna acción en contra de este sujeto (más allá que obviamente le voy a revertir cualquier borrada compulsiva que haga). Saludos, Fma12 (talk) 14:48, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Gracias nuevamente, tenés razón, hay que tomárselo con calma, yo estoy acá porque me gusta, me despeja, y... sí, seguiremos re-editando sus borradas nomás! Saludos, Fma12 (talk) 18:21, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Conocía de hecho esa regla que mencionás sobre revertir... por eso trato de corregir sus borratinas manejando las 24 hs de plazo. Evidentemente el tipo está encaprichado, hace años que en la página de Boca siempre se respètaron los kits, y ahora él se acordó que no son enciclopédicos (curioso...), pero bueno, está encaprichado.

De todos modos se equivocó feo el muchacho, se metió con un futbolero y encima bostero. Buen domingo, Fma12 (talk) 16:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Cosas y cositas

Hola FACHE, VASCO al habla desde Portugal,

Espero que todo vaya bien contigo. Una pregunta de balompié: basandonos en el promedio y el torneo Apertura (por lo que veo quedó cuarto), que chances hay de que River Plate descienda? Aunque gane el Clausura puede pasar? Y cuales son los otros criterios para bajar? Tu Vélez marcha de maravilla, aunque dezconozco el promedio de sus ultimas temporadas.

Un saludo amigo para Argentina, buen fin de semana hombre! - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:35, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

• Un poco boludo he sido amigo, bien que podría estar mas atento al enlace y mirado "RELEGATION", que explica todo lo relacionado con el promedio. Pero bueno, asi casi mejor, porque hemos podido "charlar" un rato. Muchisimas gracias por todo y saludos - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Por cierto, hay algun entrenador tan llorica en Argentina como acá José Mourinho? Jesucristo, te juro que no he visto igual :) - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)