Talk:Caster Semenya

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Clarification

Ok this is annoying, no where on the internet is a straight cut answer about Sememnya's true gender. They say tests have been conducted but little word as to what he/she really is? Man, woman, hermaphrodite? It's wikipedia's responsibility to inform the general public in matters such as this. Even in the Gender Test section there's a bunch of mumbo jumbo that doesn't give a clear cut answer. What gives?

SASOC vs. ASA

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-11-06-voa40.cfm

Caster Speaks; Will the Berlin Tests be released next week?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/nov/13/caster-semenya-interview-preview

Injured Semenya will not run in Commonwealth Games

http://www.thehindu.com/sport/athletics/article802398.ece

Caster Speaks Out

http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/39/53401.html

A new article in Sports Illustrated will feature her condemning ASA, IAAF. Chrisrus (talk) 15:39, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

If a reader unfamiliar with this topic were to read the first section, s/he'd have no idea why the New Statesman did that. Please summarize their stated reasoning for doing so. Chrisrus (talk) 17:02, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Sex Chromosome?

Does anyone knows Caster Semenya sex chromosome like XY, XXX or even XXY? I wonder if anyone knows this because other sources on the internet doesn't tell me.74.216.44.135 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:54, 9 January 2011 (UTC).

I guess it is not known then but, in any case, it is not the job of Wikipedia to give out private personal information about people without their consent unless such information is publicly known. Martin Hogbin (talk) 19:26, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Contribution by Camporesi restored

It is entirely unclear why the contribution by Camporesi had been deleted on 1/31 as it is relevant and supported by published research. Furthermore, it is highly desirable that published experts examine and improve WP articles. For this reason, I restored the deleted contribution.Ekem (talk) 03:44, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

• And I've removed it again as it's full of weasel-words ("Clearly!"), it's POV based on a speculative document from PubMed, and it's textbook editorialism per WP:NOTOPINION. Quote from the paper, by all means, and put it in context, but don't lecture the reader on sports ethics and throw a PubMed link on the end of it for justification. That's not the way it's done - Alison ^❤ 03:57, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
• Furthermore, it's a BLP and not a place for general discussion on gender testing of athletes. That's Gender verification in sports - Alison ^❤ 03:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Alison pretty much said what I was planning to, in that the text is really about a wider issue than about Semenya, and thus would be better placed in an article on the general topic. I guess my other concern is that it is couched in very strong terms, as if this was an inherently true statement rather than the findings and conclusions of the paper's authors. - Bilby (talk) 04:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree, the deleted section is not specifically about Caster and should be placed elsewhere. Martin Hogbin (talk) 22:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I do not disagree with you, I just find the process in handling such issues rather rough. The contributor added this in good faith, and the whole matter was dealt with with little concern for a person apparently new to Wikipedia. This puts people off and discourages them from becoming contributors.Ekem (talk) 14:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree. May a note as to why a good faith was removed and that it might be useful somewhere else would have been a good idea. Martin Hogbin (talk) 23:05, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I see a revised section on the same topic has be restored. Might this not be more appropriate for a more general article rather than a BLP. Perhaps the editor who added it could discuss the issue here. Martin Hogbin (talk) 00:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I have removed this section as it is not about the subject of the article and there has been no discussion about including it. I suggest that anyone who wishes to restore it discusses the matter here first. Martin Hogbin (talk) 09:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Confusion with this article

Reading through this article for the first time, it seems to me that it has intentionally avoided bringing up transgender issues, instead skirting around them in a manner that I believe can cause confusion. It remarks in the introduction that "questions were raised about whether Semenya had a physical condition that might give her an unfair advantage over other female racers", but does not highlight that these questions were primarily regarding the nature of her biological sex. For those unfamiliar with transgender and related issues (I think this would probably include the majority of the world's populace), such a statement would no doubt be confusing. I do understand the sensitive nature of this topic, but feel like this issue needs to be adressed for the good of the article.(Midnightblueowl (talk) 19:12, 22 February 2011 (UTC))

This is a biography of a living person and there are, quite rightly, strict rules on what we say here about people (see WP:BLP). In particular, we should not speculate or report speculation about Caster's sexuality, biology, or other highly personal matters. It is a well verified fact that objections were raised about Caster competing is certain events, thus we can include that here. The media furore which followed those complains included only speculation and opinion about Caster which we must not include here. If you feel that there are important issues on this subject that need to be included in Wikipedia, they would be more appropriate for gender verification in sports where they can be discussed without reference to an individual person. Martin Hogbin (talk) 22:02, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

"hermaprhodite" is a perfectly respectable word

and, in the case of Caster Semenya, it's the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.128.231 (talk) 19:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)