Talk:Dominique Strauss-Kahn

Role at IMF

Strauss-Khan was very recently selected to head the IMF. ( http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-EU-IMF.html?_r=1&oref=slogin ). i would add this information to the article, but have limited knowledge. would someone else please do so?

Academic decathlete 15:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)Academic decathlete

Improper Conduct allegation at International Monetary Fund

Dominique Strauss-Kahn was accused of another act of misconduct relating to his activities while IMF Managing Director, this time of a more intimate and personal nature. This abuse of authority related to his sexual relationship with a subordinate, female staff member, Piroshka Nagy, in January 2008. Both Kahn and Nagy were married at the time of their relationship.
Dean Armond (talk) 16:49, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Cassandre's book

Mentioned and cited, and the European sovereign debt crisis linked. Maybe someone can think of a better section heading than "sexual interests".Red Hurley (talk) 19:37, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I figured "harrassment scandal" works a little better and doesn't sound quite so vulgar. 198.103.53.5 (talk) 15:11, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Political position

In the first few lines there is written "he belongs to the center-left wing of the PS". This seems at least very misleading : truth is he belongs to the right wing of the PS, or the center-left wing of French politics. I hope I'm making myself clear, and that someone edits this sentence (I'm French so I don't feel comfortable editing an English phrase).

Addition in the 2. Personal life

this is added some mintues ago :
On May 14th, 2011, Strauss-Kahn was arrested at John F. Kennedy International Airport, in New York City, for allegedly sodomizing a Manhattan hotel maid.

i'd say verified sources strongly needed for this. highly suspicious as sole apparent source, nypost, titles on sodomy and only speaks of oral sex in the article

BituurEsztreym (talk) 23:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

well, it's been confirmed by nytimes and others. sorry for my ignorance oral sex *is* form of sodomy... yet the place of the unsourced sentence in the page remains suspicious

BituurEsztreym (talk) 23:47, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

NY arrest

Could this "He had previously been accused of aggressively seeking sexual gratification in 2007 by a French journalist and writer, Tristane Banon", be changed to make it clearer that Tristane is the victim who made the accusation of an attempted rape? Also, is there some reason to leave out the name of his subordinate Piroska Nagy with whom he had the affair?

Is the sentence: "Whether the arrest, coupled with his past sexual improprieties, will have any impact on his legitimacy with French voters and role in the Socialist Party is not known." encyclopaedic? It strikes me as essentially meaningless.FightingMac (talk) 08:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

No, it's not encyclopaedic. It's speculation and I have removed it. Harry the Dog WOOF 08:03, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Supported. Thanks. FightingMac (talk) 08:25, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I think you can include the Piroska Nagy name without any problems, I assume it's already in one of the sources. Hobartimus (talk) 10:45, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

The European press is covering disruptions to his planned activities of the next days and months and can be used as sources (e.g. Le Monde) agree the pointless speculation by wiki is unnecessary. Lycurgus (talk) 10:56, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Sex-crime Arrest in the Lede?

I don't think it should be in the lede as yet. It's Recentism, a "he said/she said" and these charges of something "attempted" could be dropped. Lets stay off the front of(by putting it in the Lede) that bandwagon at least until/unless it goes to court. Mr.Grantevans2 (talk) 14:19, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

In that case, the "current" template doesn't make much sense. I suppose another article could be created about the media circus, but instead of that I hope a brief mention is put back in the lede. - 67.224.51.189 (talk) 15:21, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

In a rare moment of agreement, I think Mr G has it (almost) right - this should not go into the lede yet, until it is seen if the story sticks and what happens. Not sure I'd wait until trial, but it is too soon for the lede. As for the template - easy enough to fix, as I will momentarily, moving it to the affected section. Tvoz/talk 17:33, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

It's too late for "it is too soon." It currently leads In The News on the Main_Page. - 67.224.51.189 (talk) 18:07, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, and it is covered in the article as it should be. Being on the Main Page doesn't mean it should be in the lede of this article at this point. See WP:MOSBIO for what is supposed to be covered in the lead section - this event, at the present time, is not why he is significant. And we need to be mindful of WP:BLP concerns.Tvoz/talk 18:42, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

But I moved the tag back up to the top, as a nod to the Main Page article. Tvoz/talk 18:48, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for reconsidering. I was surprised that the article isn't semi-protected. If it were, folks like 196.44.240.61 couldn't alter the lede without discussion. OBTW, DSK may be in Harlem at the moment. - 67.224.51.189 (talk) 19:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree too. It's curious how one gets carried away by these things. I made a factual edit of the allegation when it was in the lede but nevertheless didn't consider whether it should be there at all whereas on reflection I'm sure it shouldn't be until such time (or so I suggest) as it's clear it represents a defining moment in his life. FightingMac (talk) 18:58, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Conspiracy theory

I've removed the aleguations of a plot against DSK: actually the young guy made a mistake when he wrote the time of the arrest: he obviously didn't wrote it before it happened. It is absurd to pretend that a young guy on tweeter is a part of huge plot involving the IMF president. Puark (talk) 17:29, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree. The tweet the theory is referring to is the following: http://twitter.com/#!/j_pinet/status/69507272040136704 which was tweeted around 6pm NY time. Loads of time between the event (1pm) and the apprehension in the plane (4:40pm). The formal arrest might have happened at 2am on Sunday, but I don't think that's of any significance. I'm suprised something like this took so long to be "leaked".

Geemc911 (talk) 17:36, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, I agree with taking it out for now, as it's another example of "too soon". But not because we're second-guessing the source and making our own determination of the facts. Business Insider is a reliable source suitable for citation - we don't decide if what they are reporting is true or not. The idea that this could be a political dirty trick is not something we would ignore, but we need more sourcing, and there is no rush to add the first thing we see on this. Tvoz/talk 17:54, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Business insider may be a reliable source usually, but in this case they refer to Le Post, which is quoted as a "tabloid website". Actually, "Le Post" is a User-generated content media, thus the content is written by anonymous nobodies under pseudonym who are not professional journalists (the referred article is written by "provence117"!). Puark (talk) 19:22, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I see that and I'll be more comfortable with RS reporting based on RS too. We have to see where it goes - but we agree that we need something more. Tvoz/talk 19:40, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Race of the woman please

Does anybody know if the woman that Strauss-Kahn is accused of sodomizing is black or hispanic? That is usually who the hotel maids are in New York City —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.8.48 (talk) 20:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Teach me please how to "sodomize" a woman!!! Do you know what does "sodomize" mean? 95.26.176.4 (talk) 21:43, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

See Sodomy. Our article explains how the term is used. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:03, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I found the explanation of the accusations in this DSK article. However, I don't see the explanation for the use of "sodomizing" term. It says in Sodomy: "depending on jurisdiction can consist of oral sex, anal sex, or any non-genital to genital congress". Was he accused in any of these? Not in traditional sex? 95.25.90.66 (talk) 23:17, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

The talk page is only for discussing improvements to the article, not for random questions about the facts surrounding an incident described in it. Go to a newspaper website and ask your question there - this is not the place. And I'm not even going to speculate about what possible reason you might have in asking about the ethnicity of the complainant, as I suspect I wouldn't like it. Tvoz/talk 22:29, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. Maybe user 109.154.8.48 has asked his question not in the best appropriate way for this discussion page, but his question is very relevant here, because it promotes installing crucial information into the article. 95.25.90.66 (talk) 23:17, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Link to article "French people".

Article "French people" is about an ethnicity.

I cannot understand why is it stated in the article that this person is "French" (whatever that means here), instead of stating clearly that he is a "citizen of France". Moreover, I cannot understand why the claim that he is "French" leads to the article "French people", which is about an ethnicity, not citizenship.

There is a lot of info in the article that this person is Jewish and has no connection whatsoever to the French ethnicity.

When it is written in the first paragraph that he is "French" (with a link to "French people" article), it looks as if he is "French" by ethnicity (which is totally wrong).

I changed it to "France's", but that was immediately reverted by "Betathetapi545", the only mention on whose page is that he is a "Serial vandal". 95.26.176.4 (talk) 21:42, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

From French people: "French people refers to people born in France and the legal residents and citizens of France, regardless of ancestry." He can be ethnically Jewish and still a French person. There is no contradiction. Dragons flight (talk) 21:58, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

The citation you provided is very questionable. The fashion of calling "French people" anyone "born in France and the legal residents and citizens of France, regardless of ancestry" is very new and highly speculative. Such questionable practice should be avoided in an encyclopedia. 95.25.90.66 (talk) 23:22, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Diplomatic immunity.

Can anyone explain to me: doesn't he have diplomatic immunity? 95.26.176.4 (talk) 21:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

He isn't a diplomat. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Employees of the IMF (and similar international organizations) are granted immunity only for actions taken in an official capacity. This is in contrast with foreign diplomats representing sovereign nations which have unqualified immunity for all of their actions. Dragons flight (talk) 22:09, 15 May 2011 (UTC)