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Oliviu Craznic

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Let's start by going through the notes and links to show why they don't demonstrate notability.

• Note 1 is a blog post by his publishers, and doesn't count as independent.
  • Suspans is not a blog, but an on-line magazine with ISSN, and is not one of his publishers, Craznic begin the colabortion with Suspans after he was interviewed by them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihaimarian2 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
• Note 2 is a blog post and is not verifiable.
  • It si verifiable, because the mention appered on a lot of other blogs and on-line magazines, most notable Realitatea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihaimarian2 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
• Note 3 is yet another blog post.
• Note 4 is another blog post.
• Note 5: yet another blog post.
• Note 6, a blog post.
  • This is a blog post about an article in Familia magazine, a magazine with ISSN, well known and being published starting to XIX century. The article can be verified in Revista Familia'a archive, on net or on paper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihaimarian2 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
• Note 7, a series of Craznic's blog posts.
  • Not blog posts, articles in a magazine with ISSN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihaimarian2 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
• Note 8, a blog post.
• Note 9, a blog post.
• Note 10, a blog post.
• Note 11, a blog post.
• Note 12, a blog post by Craznic.
• Note 13, a blog post by Craznic.
• Note 14, a blog post by Craznic.
• Note 15, a sale page for his book from his publisher.
• Note 16, a blog post.
• Link 1, a blog post by Craznic.
• Link 2, a blog post.
• Link 3, a blog post.
• Link 4, a blog post.
• Link 5, a blog post.
• Link 6, Craznic's blog.
• Link 7, his publisher's blog.
• Link 8, a sale page for his book from his publisher.
• Link 9, a blog post.
  • The blog posts mentioned there contains references to the books published on paper. There are all in the National Library, and in a lot of libraries all over the net.
  • Here are some mentions made not by his publishers: http://www.evenimentul.ro/articol/prima-antologie-de-steampunk-romanesc.html http://www.teenpress.ro/interviuri/interviu-oliviu-craznic/ http://www.sfin.ro/articol_22829/roman_romanesc_cu_vampiri_nemti_din_franta.html There are a lot more, it is enough to check the net. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihaimarian2 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Next, let's note that Craznic receives essentially no mention in Romania's leading newspapers: Evenimentul Zilei, Cotidianul, Adevărul, Jurnalul Naţional, Gândul.

• These are not cultural magazines. Still there is mentions in other very popular not cultural magazines, as TV Satelit (no.4/2011), TVMania (no. 7/2001), Popcorn (no. 1/2011) and so on, all of these being official magazines, means having and ISSN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihaimarian2 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Now, let's note that even in Romania's leading literary magazines, he receives no mention or passing mention: 22, România Literară, Observator Cultural.

• Observator cultural mentions Craznic often enough.Familia has an article dedicated to him, the same Luceafarul de dimineata (official publication of the USR, The National Union of Romanian Writers) who also mentions him in some articles,one being dedicated entirel to him, and other literary magazines do this also.
• Check here:
• http://arhiva.revistafamilia.ro/, check the no.7-8/2010, an article dedicated to Craznic
• http://www.revistaluceafarul.ro/index.html?editie=132, no. 9/2011, an entire article dedicated to him by Horia Garbea, the president of official Bucharest Writers Association (ASB)
• http://www.revistaluceafarul.ro/index.html?id=2691&editie=117, no. 43/2010, here is mentioned his activity of Club de proza in an article by Oana Calin. Club de proza is a club for writers moderated by Constantin Stan, the president of Prose section of the official ASB.
• http://www.jurnaluldearges.ro/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=157:i-la-sfarit-a-mai-rmas-comarul-&catid=8:cultura&Itemid=9
• http://www.observatorcultural.ro/FANTASY-SCIENCE-FICTION.-Premiile-SF-ului-romanesc*articleID_25298-articles_details.html
• http://www.observatorcultural.ro/FANTASY-SCIENCE-FICTION.-Playback-la-BookLand*articleID_25265-articles_details.html
• http://www.observatorcultural.ro/FANTASY-SCIENCE-FICTION.-Final-Frontier-(I)*articleID_25167-articles_details.html
• http://www.observatorcultural.ro/FANTASY-SCIENCE-FICTION.-O-primavara-frumoasa...*articleID_25094-articles_details.html
• http://www.observatorcultural.ro/FANTASY-SCIENCE-FICTION.-Saptamina-SF-14-20-februarie*articleID_24996-articles_details.html
• http://www.observatorcultural.ro/Aparitii-editoriale-2010/-autori-romani*articleID_24968-articles_details.html
• http://www.observatorcultural.ro/Aparitii-editoriale-2010/-autori-romani*articleID_24968-articles_details.html
• http://www.observatorcultural.ro/FANTASY-SCIENCE-FICTION.-Saptamina-SF*articleID_24834-articles_details.html
• http://www.observatorcultural.ro/FANTASY-SCIENCE-FICTION.-2010*articleID_24688-articles_details.html
• http://www.observatorcultural.ro/FANTASY-SCIENCE-FICTION.-Lunga-vara-fierbinte*articleID_24258-articles_details.html
• http://www.observatorcultural.ro/FANTASY-SCIENCE-FICTION.-...si-la-sfirsit-a-mai-ramas-bucuria*articleID_23893-articles_details.html
• etc.
• and more:
• in Nautilus, an ISSN magazine, well known and respected along scie-fie specialists:
• http://revistanautilus.ro/recenzii/un-cosmar-bine-dozat/
• http://revistanautilus.ro/articole/si-la-sfarsit-a-mai-ramas-cosmarul/
• http://revistanautilus.ro/recenzii/singura-solutie-inc-o-revolutie/
• http://revistanautilus.ro/editoriale/excedent-si-pib-sefistic/
• and more, and more, and more, in many cultural magazines, most of all dedicated to science-fiction of course, though not all of them. Too many for being enlisted here.
• Well, if this is not a notable author, I rest my case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihaimarian2 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Let's also note that the article was worked on by four single-purpose accounts.

In fairness, I will observe that Craznic (actual name, Crâznic, I might add) is nominated for something called the Galileo Awards. But the prize doesn't go out for another week, and we have no idea if the award actually means anything. As of now, this is a promotional piece about a man who clearly fails WP:AUTHOR. Should his notability be demonstrated in reliable sources at a later date, the article can be rewritten from those sources. But no notability is apparent at present. - Biruitorul ^Talk 19:29, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• Delete I note the intense self-promotion, in the article and all over the net, but, unfortunately for the author, he seems to be utterly irrelevant to all reliable sources, and his name is discounted by even the specialized since-fiction and fantasy columns of the Romanian literary press. At best (as Soul Asylum once said:) sometime to return. Dahn (talk) 21:12, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 03:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 03:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

In fairness, Oliviu Craznic is very present and appreciated by science-fiction and literary magazines, as Observator cultural, Luceafarul de dimineata, Suspans, Nautilus, Familia, all this having ISSN (means they are officialy in the National Library), he was more than one time at TVR Cultural, he was at Radio Romania Cultural and at TVRM, he gained awards and his books are in many libraries. All the blogs who mention his name are specialized on literature and on science-fiction literature. Anyway, this is a clear attempt of someone who wants to deleting him (you can see the one who made the proposol, Biruitorul, means in Romanian The Winner, and he says very merry that Craznic Failed). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihaimarian2 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC) — Mihaimarian2 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Not to be deleted, keep the article, the author is very well known in our country, due to his constant presence on science fiction media (Nautilus magazine, Suspans magazine, Galileo Magazine etc..) but also on the publications related to cultural activity ( USR, ASB and other official magazines). Praising reviews of his book appear in Familia, Nautilus, Luceafarul de dimineata, Gazeta SF, Jurnalul de Arges, Curierul Vaii Jiului, Ziarul Vaii Jiului, Teenpress, Saptamana Financiara etc.. The main TV and radio cultural channels from Romania, TVR Cultural, TVR1 and Radio Romania Cultural presented more than once interviews and news about the author. He also keeps public conferences and readings, being invited by official writers clubs like Club de proza (romanian museum of literature) and others.

The links below are quite enough for me, though there is more than this, if you want to check out.

There are in Romania only four official magazines registered to National library (ISSN)dedicated to SF, fantasy &horror. All these four official magazines have extensive articles and many mentions and recordings about Oliviu Craznic. These magazines are Nautilus, Suspans, Galileo and Gazeta SF. Other important magazine is SRSFF which is not officially registered at National Library with ISSN. Still this magazine also mentiones briefly the activity of Oliviu Craznic in some articles. He also is invited periodically by the SRSFF members at Prospectart and other events so, as long as the all four official sf publications are referring to the author's activity in many and large articles, the notability is more than clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CptSisko (talk • contribs) 15:58, 22 May 2011 (UTC) — CptSisko (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Comment - two new sockpuppets have arrived, one of whom has inserted four further links into the article. One is an Amazon sale page (no comment) two are blog posts by Craznic (same) and one is a roundup of blog posts (sigh). We're dealing with a frenzied self-promoter, but one who apparently hasn't read WP:RS, WP:V, WP:SELFPUB, WP:N, WP:AUTH and a slew of other policies. - Biruitorul ^Talk 17:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, again - the presence on Amazon atests some notability. The blog posts by Craznic contain links to other blog post, and also to an official publication with ISSN. And you can see above I added DOZENS of links from OFFICIAL publications WITH ISSN. What is so hard to understand? The one who put the notes was not inspired in choosing more blog posts than official publications, but this not makes Craznic less present in official magazines. Sorry to dissapoint, Biruitorule. However, let's let aside the accusations and let us let the administrators check the links added in this discussion (Observator cultural, Nautilus, Familia, Suspans, Luceafrul de dimineata mainly - all being OFFICIAL MAGAZINES WITH ISSN, not blogs, not sites, not anything like this. ) Note: I just added in the article only links to official registered publications of Romanian National Library, changing most of the links as Nausyk suggested. We have now a majority of reliable and verifiable links, all of them related to well-known and respect cultural magazines, some dedicated to sci-fi, some to mainstream, all of them writing extensively and/or often about Oliviu Craznic. I ask the administrators to check those links and take the decision based on them and on the other links above, not on arguments ill-intended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihaimarian2 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

My conclusion to this debate is that, though only some of the notes and links in the articles are reliable, most indicating other sources to be check, most of the links added above in this page are verifiable and reliable, being links to cultural registered magazines and newspapers, and containing both passing notes and extensive articles about the literary activity of Oliviu Craznic. This article is to be kept, my proposal is to change some of the links and notes inserted in the article with more reliable sources, which can be taken from this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nausyk (talk • contribs) 18:37, 22 May 2011 (UTC) — Nausyk (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Keep the article, the notability proved by reliable links to official ISSN magazines. All science fiction magazines wrote about the book (large and many articles) and some of the official cultural magazines ( Familia, Luceafarul de dimineata etc..)did this also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sawyar (talk • contribs) 13:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC) — Sawyar (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.