Talk:Paul Crouch

I mislabelled my last update as a "footnote", which it's not. Anyway, I added links to the LA Times article referred to in the body of the article, plus the TBN web site, so people can verify stuff. --rob 07:52, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

POV

I think this article has a lot of strong hints in it of bias. Because it focuses more on the allegations of the person rather than the actual person and what he does. Therefor I think this article should seriously be reconsidered and edited to have a more balanced reading. I would like to know more about his family and occupation, (without hints of bias). --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.111.129.113 (talk • contribs)

You're welcome to edit it yourself if you know of verifiable information about him. But as I said on the talk page for Jan Crouch, how do you sound neutral in an article about someone who is effectively a crook? -Locke Cole 20:29, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Exactly. The man's a crook, and it's not "bias" to call a snake oil salesman a snake oil salesman.

Ringo, 17:10, 8 August 2006

Prove it

Prove it.

There is more to him than one article, the allegations of which have not been verified as fact, but all you seem to focus on in your bias.

The man has done a lot of great things and won many awards. He has many notable, well written about accomplishments. I would write about them, but what's the sense with some of you deleting everything on Wikipedia every 5 seconds that you don't like, fact or not.

-Sonustar

He is also a liar. --66.218.18.250 20:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Yep, it's a biased article

I would say the initial summary, though very short, is good, but needs to be bolstered with more detail in his broadcast history and what role he played in Christian broadcasting. The only supplementary information has to do with criticism and controversy, and the quotations are all of the most unflattering kind. He may be a snake-oil salesman, but to understand him we need to understand his appeal. He has had a huge following for a long time. Another possible connection to follow up on: is his son "Andrew Crouch" the Andy Crouch that is formerly of Re:generation quarterly, writes for Christianity Today occasionally, and now has a website called CultureMakers?

Interesting

This is biased, if you could see the houses they own in the Colleyville, TX area, you would wonder about the aleged spending habits. The houses they live in while in TX resemble mobile homes in some fashion, very run down. I agree, more of Paul's story needs to be here!

NPOV tag

Please do not add tags without giving a detailed explanation for it. We don't let tags stay or bogus claims stay. Both are to be removed if the claims/tags aren't without reason. Arbustoo 23:54, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Updated Bio/Neutral Sources

I have updated the basic facts regarding Paul Crouchs' career in broadcasting, and the network he founded. I have added credible neutral sources which verify statistics on the size of Trinity Broadcasting Network, awards, citations, and rating in the US as the 6th largest Broadcast Group. I have attempted to leave original content and only moved its location so that the paragraphs flowed in a logical fashion. In some places, the new information was more accurately cited, so old information that stated the same fact was replaced, but not restated in a way that took away from the original intent of the editor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellen Brichetto (talk • contribs) 19:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merge

I've proposed that Jan Crouch be merged into this article. Jan being the co-founder of TBN means that it might not be appropriate just to delete her article, but her notability is entirely dependent on the network rather than on independent coverage of her, so it's better to merge any useful content into this article and perhaps rename it "Paul and Jan Crouch." Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:44, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

The article for Jan Crouch is an independent overview of her career with TBN, but also her personal contribution to the Smile of a Child Foundation, and her personal project, The Holy Land Experience and other works that are not central to the article about Paul Crouch. Jan Crouch is a stand alone personality and should have her own article.71.97.55.109 (talk) 03:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Smile of a Child doesn't appear to be notable, so her status as its founder and president doesn't contribute to notability. HLE's website gives no indication of her being involved in its administration in any way, so whether or not that would contribute to independent notability is a moot point. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:31, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Jan Crouch founded the Smile of a Child Foundation, and Smile of a Child Tv, a 24 hour network for children. SOAC foundation's humanitarian contributions to Haiti have been recognized by the United Nations and received special consultative status with the Economic and Social Council for the Democracy Coalition Project. Jan Crouch is the President of Holy Land Experience, and runs all the day to day operations. According to Wikipedia's criteria for a stand alone article, she meets that criteria.71.97.55.109 (talk) 17:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

This is not substantively different from the comment I replied to, but you haven't addressed the criticisms I made of it in my reply, namely that Smile of a Child is not notable per Wikipedia guidelines, which require significant coverage in reliable sources, and that the HLE site doesn't say that Crouch has ever done so much as sweep floors for the park, let alone run its operations. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:59, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, the article did need more neutral sources. New reliable, significant and independent sources have been added to this article from third party sources that establish Crouch's role as notable by Wikipedia standards. Crouch is listed as DCEO of HLE on a new source in the Wikipedia article from the Florida Dept. of State/Corporations Division. The United Nations has officially recognized the contributions of Smile of a Child foundation as notable (source in the article from the UN website), and Smile of a Child TV is a national network, and the only one of it's kind.. Additionally, Jan Crouch is a widely recognized TV personality which is documented in numerous third party publications (pro or con). Her professional, and broadcasting career is separate and uniquely different than that of Paul Crouch.71.97.55.109 (talk) 19:37, 8 June 2011 (UTC)