User talk:Jerryg

Elizabeth Zimmermann

Hi Jerry. I saw your note on Talk:Elizabeth Zimmermann and wanted to offer some advice. As you rightly anticipated, the article you added is a prime candidate for deletion. If you want to work on a draft without fear of deletion, one way to do this is on a subpage of your user page, e.g. User:Jerryg/Elizabeth Zimmermann. When you are done, you could normally do a page move to Elizabeth Zimmermann, but not in this case since you've already created an article there (you'll have to ask an admin to delete the current article first). Feel free to contact me with any questions you may have. Mike Dillon 16:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I noticed your addition because I had Elizabeth Zimmermann on my watchlist before it was created. Mike Dillon

Hi again. I put the article into a minimal wiki style and added an external link to a tribute article about Elizabeth, so it shouldn't get deleted now. Have fun expanding the article and remember to provide references! Mike Dillon 17:06, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Copyright infringement

Hi Jerry. To avoid infringing on copyright, generally all you need to do is write original text and cite your sources. Since all you should be taking from Schoolhouse Press is facts about Elizabeth and the business, you should be fine as long as you cite them as a source and don't copy their text directly. Wikipedia:Copyrights has more information, but here's a nice excerpt:

Note that copyright law governs the creative expression of ideas, not the ideas or information themselves. Therefore, it is perfectly legal to read an encyclopedia article or other work, reformulate it in your own words, and submit it to Wikipedia.

Hope that helps. Mike Dillon 15:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Jeffrey Vernon Merkey discussions with User:Waya sahoni

I ask you to stop calling User:Waya sahoni Jeff. His identity is not relevant to the discussions, Jeff Merkey was never banned, and we can leave Waya's motivations out of it, however transparent. Continuing calling him Jeff is tantamount to baiting and could be construed as WP:PA. Let's solve any disputes over the article as close to Wiki guidelines and policies as we can. --MJ^(☎|@|C) 07:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC).

I respectfully disagree. For substantive reasons that I may need to disclose at a future date, I have done a tremendous amount of research into Jeff Merkey and I can assert to you with no doubt whatsoever that Waya sahoni == Jeffery Vernon Merkey. The possibilty that Waya sahoni is anyone else approaches zero.

Jeffery Vernon Merkey has been Indefinitely Blocked as User:Gadugi [1]

The fact that calling Waya sahoni "Jeff" or "Merkey" may be called baiting by invocation of WP:PA is merely an indication of Merkey's current tactic: he has realized that he can manipulate Wikipedia from within to greater personal benefit than he can by attacking it, its editors and its founders from without.

If there is one thing that Merkey needs to know, over and over again, it is that people have seen through his game-du-jour and, protest as he might, his charade has failed and he must advance his arguments (such as they are) from the basis of being himself and no one else.

The tenets of reasonableness and community that are the foundation of Wikipedia may work to its considerable disadvantage when dealing with a personality such as Merkey's. talks_to_birds 15:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I also have no problem with outing Waya as Jeff, but I do have a problem with baiting Jeff. Some may argue that he has done much to deserve it, but this is not the place to do it. Wikipedia has enough problems with vandals and people with a barrow to push without further inflicting Jeff on them. It is pertinent to Wikipedia that Waya is Jeff, especially as he has threatened to sue before. None of us believe is is reformed, and his current behaviour does not lend any credence to the notion that he has reformed.

Speaking of being outed, I assume you are Al Petrofsky --Vryl 17:56, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Me? talks_to_birds? No. Not at all. At this point there's not any particular reason for my stating just who I am, but it really shouldn't be too hard to figure out. I'm not being coy: who I am wouldn't give any more credibility to my posts here, and my motivations are rather lengthy :-/ -- talks_to_birds 20:02, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

This is basically the reason I stopped being a butthead with Jeff. I know Waya is Jeff, you know Waya is Jeff, probably a lot of admins know Waya is Jeff. But this is not Yahoo! SCOX and as you say, Wikipedia has enough real problems without us adding to them. And besides, as good upstanding representatives of the Wikipedia community, we can let Waya continue on his current path and let him hang himself. --Jerry (Talk) 18:46, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of admins, the one that Jeff more-or-less got to side with him (not that I necessarily disagree with his decisions) looks like being stripped of his adminship permanently, if I read correctly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Guanaco%2C_MarkSweep%2C_et_al