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Turbulenz

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This article is about a video gaming platform that has not received sufficient coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. Note that this platform has yet to be released. As best as I can tell, it is in beta testing based own their won web site. The only coverage is this NY Times reprint of a tech blog which is really about the company raising some funds. Whpq (talk) 17:39, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

And Wikipedia doesn't ever talk about products in beta testing? Anyway, this article from the San Francisco Cronicle is not a reprint of the NT Times: [1], it is about their presence at GDC 2011, this one is about the launch of a program to fund third parties: [2], this one about Strawdog Studios mentioning singing a contract to develop a game for the Turbulenz platform: [3] and Strawdog Studios is a recognized entity in Wikipedia: [4]. Latestversion (talk) 18:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I have found a reference to the presentation Turbulenz gave on the NVidia Booth at GCD 2011: The Future of Browser Gaming with the Turbulenz Engine, this is the direct link to the recording of that presentation: [5], I guess NVidia is a reliable source?. Btw, you can see part of their product offering running on their YouTube channel: [6]. 86.17.249.8 (talk) 19:17, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Do you know how to identify press releases, and why these must not form the basis for Wikipedia articles? Marasmusine (talk) 10:20, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Giving a presentation at GDC on NVidia's Game Technology Theater is a press release? You obviously think NVidia allows anyone to pop into their booth to present stuff, right? Well, they don't, it is usually a personal invitation based on their knowledge of your technology and they are very careful to associate their name with other people. And the presentation they gave pretty much contains most of the information already on the wiki page. Latestversion (talk) 13:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

It's still a primary source, my question to you still stands. Marasmusine (talk) 19:51, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia guidelines primary sources that have been reliably published may be used in Wikipedia and that is my point, the presentation at GDC 2011 was vetted by NVidia, not a press release sent to a newspaper, I assume that you understand the differences between the two and that was my refutation, not whether it was primary or not. Also I think that presenting the technology as part of the NVidia presence at GDC is a reliably published way, have you actually watched the presentation? the demoed the technology live. Latestversion (talk) 08:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) MrKIA11 (talk) 03:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

• Delete - I was only able to locate press releases and other primary sources. We cannot base an article on these (WP:V). Marasmusine (talk) 12:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
• Keep - The company exists, they gave a presentation at GDC 2011, two creditable sources, NVidia and Strawdog Studios, are aware of them or working with them directly and nothing on their wiki page contradicts what they show on their demos or what they presented. Latestversion (talk) 13:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:31, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

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• Delete, for now. Aside from the NYT reprint I found these three articles [7] [8] [9] and two more from gamesindustry.biz [10] [11] (which I cannot assess in terms or reliability). Even with these, I feel it lacks significant coverage to meet WP:GNG as it all revolves around the fundraising and the partnership with Strawdog, and the articles fail to review the subject in a substantive manner. It seems likely that they may become notable in the future, but not just yet - frankie (talk) 02:25, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I do not understand why you guys keep ignoring the collaboration with NVidia [12] also reported here [13], doing a live demo and presentation at GDC 2011 is not reliable enough to prove what they are working on? OK, I agree that they are not incredible notable yet, so you want to delete the article and them a month later add it again because Develop magazine runs a full featured article on them? because everything on Wikipedia is only about hugely notable subjects, right? WP:UA I think there is place for this company on Wikipedia, there are smaller companies listed here than Turbulenz. Btw, if you want to known the team you can attend this event or just check github.Latestversion (talk) 09:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

• Comment - The collaboration with NVidia is not being ignored. It has been considered and for me, is not an independent source. Companies making deals to develop stuff with NVidia, (or any other company) doesn't establish notability when there is insufficient independent coverage as is the case here. As for being an unusual article, this is in no way quirky or unusual. In fact, developing a video gaming product is blandly normal and business as usual. -- Whpq (talk) 12:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

The comment about the unusual articles is just to point out that lack of notability is not always a reason to delete an article. Latestversion (talk) 16:31, 22 June 2011 (UTC)