Talk:The Edge of Glory

Singles

Add 3 way (The golden rule) as next single 3-Way (The Golden Rule) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.250.60.19 (talk) 07:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Single Cover Art

Official cover: http://twitpic.com/4v2we4 119.153.24.45 (talk) 14:38, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Number of Promo Singles

I think we should wait until 3 promo singles are confirmed to add it in the article. For all we know, this may be the only one. Also, there is only one more Monday- May 16th -to release a promo single. The following Monday is the 23rd, the albums release date. This is why 3 promo singles does not make sense. Zpenguin23 (talk) 16:22, 8 May 2011 (UTC)Zpenguin23

I agree, it will be most likely just 2 promo singles. 84.113.151.242 (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

The Fame and The Fame Monster both had one promo each, this could be it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mi.bryson (talk • contribs) 18:21, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Lady GaGa has said she would release another promo next week at the same time. http://www.ladygaga.com/news/default.aspx Mi.bryson (talk) 20:26, 9 May 2011 (UTC)--Mi.bryson (talk) 20:26, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Deletion?

Instead of deleting the article, wait until the release when many reviews will come out. --Sricsi (talk) 16:38, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Deletion? cont.

Lady Gaga has confirmed the release of the promotional single on her website. I agree, wait until it is released, which is tomorrow the 8th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mi.bryson (talk • contribs) 17:55, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Third Studio Album?

I assumed that 'Born This Way' was Lady Gaga's second studio album, not her third. The Fame Monster is an EP so Born This Way is not the third studio album... it's the second. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.189.97 (talk) 18:05, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

We have gone through this already. Gaga herself called Born This Way as her third studio album, so there's no point of taking this thing up again. Squidoh (talk) 15:43, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Born This Way is her 3rd studio album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niamhh (talk • contribs) 08:39, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Read discussions at Talk:The Fame Monster aand discuss there. Adabow (talk · contribs) 08:43, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Deletion?

Now the song has been released is it really worth considering it for deletion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.8.71 (talk) 20:34, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

It was literally just commercially released only minutes ago, give it time before people remove the deletion considerations. Jeez. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.195.33.79 (talk) 20:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Alright then I was only suggesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.8.71 (talk) 20:40, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Leave it, it's a promotional single, that's what it should be listed as. calvin999 (talk) 22:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, because if many other can have an article for every song in their albums why can't Gaga have an article for a promo single? Deletion considerations can be deleted by anyone and since the issue is settled (the single was released and there are many reviews to come) the "Deletion considerations" will be removed.

Since there is still an active deletion discussion at WP:AFD, any arguments for or against deletion should happen over there. The AfD template should not be removed from the article until that discussion has closed. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 01:10, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

the song is at #1 on the UK iTunes. Deleting it would be pointless as it will be recreated on sunday.

The song is No.1 on itunes in 22 countries and you're considering it for deletion? MASSIVE EYE ROLL. Ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.51.149 (talk) 10:27, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Sample

Song is now out. Article could use a musical sample, preferably of the chorus. Bruce Campbell (talk) 23:29, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. This is done on her previous song articles as well and it would be a welcome addition to the developing page.

Reece Leonard (talk) 02:26, 10 May 2011 (UTC)Reece Leonard

Composition

Could someone put in the composition of The Edge of Glory section that the song is in the key F#m at 128 BPM? Samlikeswiki (talk) 01:50, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Receipt? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if this counts, but I put it into the program VirtualDJ and it told me what the key and BPM was. If this is not reliable, I can understand. In that case we should just wait for more technical details on the song as they become available. Samlikeswiki (talk) 13:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Producer

Ferando Garibay also produced it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.25.79 (talk) 15:59, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Commercial success

Add a commercial section it's gone number one on about 11 itunes across the world including the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SnoopRoyale98 (talk • contribs) 18:21, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

We need a source. --190.232.80.52 (talk) 20:19, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

iTunes sales figures belong to charts to be avoided, therefore sales on just iTunes must not be mentioned. -- Frous (talk) 21:27, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Critical reception re: Rolling Stone preview

I don't gather from the Rolling Stone source that "You and I" was one of the four tracks submitted. To me, the article indicates that four other tracks were previewed and "You and I" was discussed based on a live performance. --Another Believer _(Talk) 23:57, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Exactly, no one has heard the album version of Y&I. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:55, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Deletion Notice

It's a single now. We don't need a deletion notice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.27.224 (talk) 15:31, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Let the AFD work on its own. Once it closes, the tag will be removed. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:34, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

It's the most ridiculous process ever, but Wiki-bureaucracy is real.--mikomango (talk) 15:41, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

What's the AFD? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.27.224 (talk) 15:50, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Mikomango, the AFD process exists to stop unnecessary articles being created, its nothing to do with Wiki-bureaucracy. If you feel like that your problem. IP, please sign your posts from next time and the wikilink should direct you to what's AFD. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:53, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Legolas, it saddens me that you do not understand the meaning of the word "bureaucracy" and bureaucracies work. A social process that was once entirely acceptable can be abused in a bureaucratic way. Hey, you do not know the definitions to commonly-used English words, your problem. I will simply assume good faith on your end.--mikomango (talk) 17:44, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

if you feel like WP is such a place, again that's your problem and this has nothing to do with the article's discussion which is what the talk page is for. Please direct it to someplace else. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 17:56, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Protection

So much for Wikipedia being the "online encyclopedia that anyone can edit." Basically it's become an online site for slanted press releases and one-sided chart/boxscore information. I'm sure it will take an act of God to get someone to post that the single dropped from #3 to #19 in its second week. 24.211.211.161 (talk) 18:46, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Now this is just ridiculous. Why is this article protected? You complain on how this article doesn't meet Wikipedia's policies, and then you block it so some people aren't able of improving it. I just realized how silly (not to say other word, because I would be blocked) Wikipedia long-time editors are. So, so sad. --190.43.48.38 (talk) 22:20, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

The article was protected from continuous vandalism by IP users. Maybe not you, but there are users who do that. Surprised? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:20, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Then block who has to be blocked. But protecting the entire article for a few is an overreaction, don't you think? --Evengan (talk) 16:37, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

No, if those users are so desperate, then they can create an account and wait for its confirmation. Its for the betterment of the article. Any info can also be pasted in the talkpage where its regular contributers can add it. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:47, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

"Its for the betterment of the article." Yes Big Brother, right away Big Brother. Whatever. 24.211.211.161 (talk) 18:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

And what is your problem? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:05, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Music Video

A fan home movie video is being put together for the music video by Chrystie Street casting agency Zan Ludlum

http://www.boweryboogie.com/2011/05/lady-gaga-seeking-home-videos-for-edge-of-glory/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.228.10 (talk) 07:50, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Unreliable source + report. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:56, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Well it was all over Zan Ludlam the casting agents Twitter yesterday http://twitter.com/#!/ZanCasting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.149.115.80 (talk) 08:38, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Deletion

Why is there still a debate about whether this page should be deleted?! 1. It's an official single 2. It has been reviewed 3. It's been out for 4 days; that is about 96 whole hours! Therefore, it must be kept! Why is it still being thought about?! Make your (pardon my French) fucking minds up!

Once the AfD is started, it should be allowed to run its course. At the time of this article's creation, a reasonable argument could have been made that the song was not notable per Wikipedia's established guidelines. --Strikerforce^{Talk Review me!} 23:29, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Keep It

I see no reason to delete considering the fact that it is from her highly anticipated album and it's the third single. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codelyokofan29 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

1. Sign your name using four tildes (~~~~).
2. This is not on the actual deletion page, so it will not count towards anything.
3. At Wikipedia, the existence of something (let's say a single in this case) does not make it notable. Music projects have to meet the music notability guideline for inclusion into this encyclopedia.
4. Don't bother moving this to the deletion page. Considering new developments, I am withdrawing my nomination. I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 23:39, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Chwayijie, 14 May 2011

Please add on under the section of "Chart Performance", that the song has also peaked the Belgian Tip Chart (Flanders)and Belgian Tip Chart (Wallonia)at number one, as well as scoring Top 10 positions in Irish Singles Chart and Netherlands Single Top 100, charting at 10 and 9 respectively. Chwayijie (talk) 13:39, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Promotional single

Gaga and interscoep doesn't conffirmed the song how third single! It's just a promotional (sorry for my english). --NicolásTM (talk) 03:39, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

There have been reports of it being released as the third single. Anyway, in the US any song sent to radio by the label is considered a single. Adabow (talk · contribs) 03:48, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok, now that statement can be debated. Leave it to the reports of it being the third single. I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 03:51, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I know YT it's not a source realible, but in this video she just says "the song is a countdown of the album", no "the third single". --NicolásTM (talk) 03:26, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

That has changed (I'm not sure when the video was filmed). It has since been sent to radio, so it is definitely a single. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:16, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Was filmed in UK, May 15! nothing change!! it's not the third single, but it's ok, for my wiki it's a promotional because it isn't conffirmed yet.--NicolásTM (talk) 16:04, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Digital Spy confirmed that it has been promoted as a single now and there are plans of making an official video. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:17, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

But Gaga didn't say anything! But it's ok. It just a promotional single :/ --NicolásTM (talk) 17:05, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Third party sources confirm it, that's more than enough. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 17:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

According to discussions at WP:SONGS, a US radio date is a sign of an official single release. --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 20:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Live Performance

What a suprise... I can't edit here =P Well, Gaga performed The Edge of Glory on Radio 1′s Big Weekend in Carlisle, UK on Sunday. Here's the video, it's an acoustic version, and I have to say it sounds great. --Evengan (talk) 22:03, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a319632/lady-gaga-closes-radio-1s-big-weekend-video.html and there is a source for it as well as the rest of the setlist. calvin999 (talk) 12:58, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

No.2 on Hot 100

If you do the math this article - http://www.billboard.com/news#/news/lonely-island-sets-sail-at-no-3-on-billboard-1005188582.story - says that katy perry slips to three with 200,000 sales therfore selling less than the edge of glory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.216.225 (talk) 15:59, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

That's WP:CRYSTAL. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:03, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

In the Digital Chart, but in the Hot 100, it's No.3... Ofekalef (talk) 18:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry it was n early assumption but i was close :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.216.225 (talk) 16:50, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Spain

The Edge Of Glory, debut no. #5 in Spain. Official Promusicae Spanish Single Chart --Emish94 (talk) 19:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done Thank you. Adabow (talk · contribs) 03:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Popdust Reliable?

Is this a reliable source to add as a review? --Evengan (talk) 04:39, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

No. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:45, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in The Edge of Glory

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of The Edge of Glory's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "canada":

• From Christmas Tree (Lady Gaga song): "Lady Gaga - Christmas Tree". αcharts. Music Square. Retrieved 2009-11-22.
• From Dance in the Dark: "Billboard – Lady Gaga – Singles Discography". Billboard. Nielsen Business Media, Inc. Retrieved 2010-05-19.
• From Paparazzi (Lady Gaga song): "Canadian Hot 100". Billboard. acharts.us. 2009-09-12. Retrieved 2009-09-03.
• From Just Dance: "Canadian Hot 100: Week Ending August 23, 2008". Billboard. Nielsen Business Media, Inc. 2008-08-23. Retrieved 2009-04-28.
• From Judas (song): Tuch, Paul (2011-04-29). "Adele Tops Album & Digital Songs Chart". Nielsen SoundScan. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2011-04-28. Retrieved 2011-04-28.
• From Chillin (Wale song): "Wale – Chillin – Canadian Hot 100". Billboard. acharts.us. August 15, 2009. Retrieved August 7, 2009.
• From The Remix: "Canadian Albums Chart: Week Ending May 22, 2010". Billboard. Nielsen Business Media, Inc. Retrieved 2010-05-17.
• From LoveGame: "Canadian Hot 100". Billboard. acharts.us. 2009-05-30. Retrieved 2009-05-21.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 21:05, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

One of Gaga's Greatest Songs

Rolling Stone has called The Edge of Glory as Gaga's third greatest song ever, behind Paparazzi and Bad Romance. They said: "Is it a song, or a hurricane? Gaga's sublime dance-rock anthem, written about her grandparents, is powered by bombastic power chords and even more bombastic lyrics.", finally stating that "Just when you think it can't get any bigger, Clarence Clemons steps into the spotlight…" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evengan (talk • contribs) 18:36, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:19, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Maybe it could be added to the Critical Reception paragraph? --Evengan (talk) 15:52, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

South Korean #2

It's #2 in Sout Korea Gaon Chart, this is the ref.--NicolásTM (talk) 00:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request

In the line "The Edge of Glory" was released digitally on May 9, 2011, and officially impacted United States mainstream radio on May 17, 2011 in the lede, I think "impacted" is a poor word. Will someone please change it to "entered" or "officially began playing on"? Thanks. 68.35.40.154 (talk) 18:44, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

 Not done "Impacted" is the term used by the radio industry. Adabow (talk · contribs) 19:21, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, guess what Wikipedia is not? If you guessed "the radio industry" then you are correct. Unless there is specific justification we don't use jargon—we use senses found in standard dictionaries. To regular readers the sentence sounds like the song had a meteoric collision with airwaves which is of course absurd. There is no justification for using this obscure sense in defiance of common sense. 68.35.40.154 (talk) 23:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

 Not done As Adabow said to you, common jargon by industry measures are acceptable. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:37, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

We're not writing for radio-industry insiders, but for a much wider readership. I can cope with "impacted" without the subsequent "on" (which would normally be required, but is probably not used in this sense within the industry). What I can't cope with is the lack of clarity.

“ was released digitally on May 9, 2011, and officially impacted United States mainstream radio on May 17, 2011 as the first of two promotional singles before the album's release. ”

So what exactly does it mean? I'm struggling to work it out, which is not a good sign that the meaning is clear enough for our readers. Does it mean, for instance, that radio stations were permitted to broadcast the item from May 17 onwards? If so, why not just say "and were broadcast by US mainstream radio from May 17, 2011 ...? The problem with "impacted" for the normal readers is that they're likely to understand it as "had an impact", which is not really what you mean, is it. To start with, any "impact" (an assumption, actually) would be on the listeners, not on the radio industry. This needs to be recast. Tony (talk) 07:57, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

How does "sent to radio" sound? Adabow (talk · contribs) 07:59, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

It's better, but you don't like my suggestion? It seems simpler and more obvious to me. Tony (talk) 08:03, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

The thing is that radio probably started playing the song before May 17, but Lady Gaga's labels added the song to mainstream playlists for May 17. Individual radio stations may have started to play the song, although mainstream radio US-wide would not have added it to their daily rotation. I believe that labels pay for songs to be added to such playlists, thereby promoting the songs. I may have just confused you even more (like many other US things, I don't quite understand fully), so Legolas, could you also explain? Adabow (talk · contribs) 08:14, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

For the record, I solicited Tony's opinion here. 68.35.40.154 (talk) 08:39, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you IP, and Tony, Adabow is right that the song might have been played in the radio before the impact date. I understand the "general" reader understanding thing, and would like to suggest that if we change it, we change it to something a little more explanatory. Like instead of "impacted US radio..." we can write "The song was added to US radio's playlist on .....". Thereby we clarify the "adding of a song" also, and it removes any redundancy of whether it was played before "date" or after "date" etc. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:19, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice. Tony (talk) 14:00, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request

It had sold 98,000 downloads after its debut week Link http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100#/news/adele-remains-atop-hot-100-lady-gaga-makes-1005203342.story ,,..It has sold 165,000 in its previous week on the billboard , link ,, http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100#/news/lady-gaga-tops-billboard-200-brad-paisley-1005208612.story ,, and now it has sold 166,000 ,link ,,http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100#/news/adele-s-still-deep-atop-hot-100-coldplay-1005221272.story . it has climbed to 10 on US POp Songs.. And please can You find Its release history throughout the world if it had been given a full release. Its total sales are now 695,000. Pls update this..

Afrazrasheed (talk) 12:38, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

 DoneThe info about its Pop chart peak has been updated. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:10, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request

What about updating it sales as i mentioned before and thank u for updating its peak on pop songs..

Afrazrasheed (talk) 18:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:SYNTHESIS, we don't add a week by week analysis and come to sales. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

The Edge of Glory/Judas medley - X Factor Fance

http://idolator.com/5902312/lady-gaga-performs-on-the-x-factor-in-france calvin999 (talk) 00:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Music video

Lady Gaga announced the release date for the video, someone wanna add? http://twitter.com/#!/ladygaga/status/80986953402683392 Squidoh (talk) 15:51, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Twitter is not a reliable source. calvin999 (talk) 15:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Calvin999, are you okay? It's LADY GAGA TWEETING HERSELF. SHE KNOWS MORE THAN YOU DO!

Doesn't matter, twitter is now used on Wikipedia. Find another source. calvin999 (talk) 16:05, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

*Not, not now. calvin999 (talk) 00:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

what? so gaga herself is not a reliable source? you know, wikipedia uses twitter, ive seen it before. Squidoh (talk) 01:17, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Charts

It currently is #10 on the US Mainstream Top 40 Chart. http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/radio-songs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.48.121 (talk) 16:05, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

That's the Hot 100 Airplay chart, the Mainstream Top 40 chart can be found at http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/pop-songs. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:34, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

The song is currently number 10 on Radio Songs and number 30 on Adult Contemporary — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.97.9 (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Video Director

According to various different sources, Joseph Kahn is no longer the director of the video for 'The Edge of Glory' due to specific problems on set and so instead the video was directed by Gaga herself. Lady Gaga's creative director Laurieann Gibson and Joseph Kahn himself have both confirmed this on Twitter. Other sources include MTV UK and Digital Spy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.67.208 (talk) 17:26, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Video reaction

Many fans disliked the video, saying it was "too simple" or they "expected more" and "that the video doesn't compliment to the song". Though the critical response from fans some actually liked the the video for it's simplicity.

Entirely unsourced and basically boils down to "some people liked it, some people didn't it." Useless. Additionally, that second sentence, isn't well-written at all. Though the what? 12.162.122.5 (talk) 15:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Music Video

Why is there no mention of the music video at the top of the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.67.208 (talk) 16:18, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Saxophonist Clarence Clemons died

Need to change to "the late saxophonist" after Clarence Clemons died at age 69 on June 18, 2011, due to complications following a stroke. Paul0709 (talk) 13:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes of course. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:23, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Video Reception

Although I agree that the video is "complete shit", shouldn't that be reworded? Is there a policy against insults? --Evengan (talk) 02:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Per WP:NOTCENSORED, it is acceptable since from a reliable source. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 07:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Live Peformances

She performed it on the 2011 MuchMusic Awards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.186.224 (talk) 18:08, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Chart performance

It should be noted that The Edge Of Glory climbed from No. 37 to No. 7 after the performance on the Germany's Next Top Model finale. The song did so without an official release as the physical release is on July 8, 2011 (e.g. Amazon.de) and the version you can buy in digital shops (I-Tunes/Amazon.de) is the album track, and not a seperate single version, so there hasn't been a digital release neither. --79.199.52.239 (talk) 11:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

You need to provide sources for everything you just said. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)