User talk:Sp33dyphil/Archive 2

User talk:Sp33dyphil/Archive 2, March–June 2011

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Bjorøy Tunnel

Hi Sp33dyphil, my own personal opinion is that is it unwise that you review Bjorøy Tunnel. The choice of course remains with you, but there is an obvious risk associated with it. Pyrotec (talk) 11:06, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

• From what I seen so far of Talk:Bjorøy Tunnel/GA1 this seems to be a "drive by" review, but I will wait and see. It's not clear so far whether this is "score settling" or gaining points for Wikicup. Your review of Taiwan High Speed Rail at Talk:Taiwan High Speed Rail/GA2 was not bad; and I believe that you made the right decision in awarding GA to Justin Boren, but there seems little evidence from Talk:Justin Boren/GA1 that you reviewed it against the requirements of WP:WIAGA. By all means carry out GAN, but do not abuse the system to gain wikicup points or to "settle scores" with other reviewers; and produce some evidence (as in Talk:Taiwan High Speed Rail/GA2) that you have reviewed against WP:WIAGA. Guidance can be found at Wikipedia:Reviewing good articles. Pyrotec (talk) 14:07, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

• Hi Sp33dyphil, I'm happy with the latest change and you have already stated that you are willing to award this article GA-status. So, I've awarding it a GA on your behalf. Pyrotec (talk) 21:24, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Sergei Shirokov

Hello, I have taken care of the issues you listed at Talk:Sergei Shirokov/GA1. Thank you for the review. Please let me know if there are any other issues that need to be taken care of (you can just leave the m on the review page, it's on my watch list). Cheers --Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 20:25, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Unreferenced articles

I see that you tagged Sam Mitchell as being unreferenced. Better tags to use for articles that have external links which virtually are references are {{No footnotes}}, {{BLP sources}} and/or {{Primary sources}}. Cheers, The-Pope (talk) 05:18, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Boeing 707

I see you have changed the referencing style again to your own preference, and again without understanding what the changes in templates do. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:21, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2011 February newsletter

So begins round two of the WikiCup! We now have eight pools, each with eight random contestants. This round will continue until the end of April, when the top two of each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers of those remaining, will make it to round three. Congratulations to The Bushranger (submissions) (first, with 487 points) and Hurricanehink (submissions) (second, with 459), who stormed the first round. Casliber (submissions) finished third with 223. Twelve others finished with over 100 points- well done to all of you! The final standings in round one can be seen here. A mere 8 points were required to reach round two; competition will no doubt be much more fierce this round, so be ready for a challenge! A special thanks goes, again, to Jarry1250 (submissions) for dealing with all bot work. This year's bot, as well as running smoothly, is doing some very helpful things that last year's did not. Also, thanks to Stone (submissions) for some helpful behind-the-scenes updating and number crunching.

Some news for those who are interested- March will see a GAN backlog elimination drive, which you are still free to join. Organised by WikiProject Good articles, the drive aims to minimise the GAN backlog and offers prizes to those who help out. Of course, you may well be able to claim WikiCup points for the articles you review as part of the drive. Also ongoing is the Great Backlog Drive, looking to work on clearing all of the backlogs on Wikipedia; again, incentives are offered, and the spirit of friendly competition is alive, while helping the encyclopedia is the ultimate aim. Though unrelated to the WikiCup, these may well be of interest to some of you.

Just a reminder of the rules; if you have done significant work on content this year and it is promoted in this round, you may claim for it. Also, anything that was promoted after the end of round one but before the beginning of round two may be claimed for in round two. Details of the rules can be found on this page. For those interested in statistics, a running total of claims can be seen here, and a very interesting table of that information (along with the highest scorers in each category) can be seen here. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 23:50, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Is the Beluga an A-300 or an A-310 ?

The A-300 was with a three man cockpit (pilot, co-pilot and flight engineer) with analog flight and engine instruments. Then they made the 310 which had EFIS and ECAM and a two man crew.

Later, the orginal A-300 was modified into the A-300-600 by replacing its rear fuselage and tail with the same from the A-310 and by modifying its cockpit to the A-310 2-man glass cockpit standard with ECAM.

So yes, the Beluga was modified from a A-300-600, but the A-300-600 had many A-310 components, including the whole cockpit and the A-310 existed before the A-300 and the Beluga. Thats is why I claim the Beluga can be considered a derivative of the 310. There is more commonality between a A-310 and a Beluga cockpit than between a Beluga and the original A-300-B2.Hudicourt (talk) 04:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

First four cockpit pictures, listed in the order the aircraft were designed:

First the Airbus B-4 cockpit: http://www.airliners.net/photo/DHL-(European-Air/Airbus-A300B4-203(F)/1802877/L/

Second an A-310-200 cockpit: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-Air/Airbus-A310-203/1450191/L/

Third an A-300-600 cockpit: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Mahan-Air/Airbus-A300B4-605R/1873544/L/

Fourth a Beluga cockpit : http://www.airliners.net/photo/Airbus-Industrie/Airbus-A300B4-608ST-Super/1591308/L/

The A-300B2 and B4s were built, then the A-310. Then all the technical advances from the 310 were integrated into the A-300, which turned it into an A-300-600, which was then turned into a Beluga.

The B2 and B4 had both inboard and outboard ailerons, separated by an outer flap. The 310 didn't and only had the inner aileron, but mostly used spoilers for roll control. The A300B4-600 also adopted the spoilers for roll control like the 310 and did away with the outer ailerons.

The A-310 and the A-300-600 have the same type rating, meaning the pilots which are rated on one can fly the other. However, the A-300-B2 and A-300B4 pilots have a different type rating than the A-300-600. The A-300B4-600 and A310 pilots use the same simulator while the A-300B2 and older B4 pilots have another simulator.

Now look at an NTSB accident investigation report of an A-300-600 accident:

http://accidents-ll.faa.gov/American587/AAR0404.pdf

It say on page 9

" The A300 is designated as the A310 on pilot certificates"

On page 30:

"At the public hearing, an FAA airframe engineer stated that the FAA did not make findings of compliance for the A300-600 because it was a derivative of the A310 airplane but that the FAA made findings of compliance for several areas on the A310. For example, the FAA made findings of compliance on the design and strength of the A310 vertical stabilizer, which is structurally identical to the A300-600 vertical stabilizer. The FAA also worked closely with Airbus and European airworthiness agencies to establish certification and test programs for the A310 vertical stabilizer"

Hudicourt (talk) 16:29, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

A330

Hi! I'll take a look at it this evening :) WhisperToMe (talk) 14:06, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

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Freakum Dress

Hi, I am Jivesh. I worked on this article. Thank you for reviewing it. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:39, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for passing it. Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:44, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Just to Let You Know...

I do apologize if I interrupt. Just wanted to let you know that there are some sites that I was trying to confirm, but some of them will go to the site of your country if you switch sites to another country, and some have an international version. I will see if there are multiple versions of such and will apply them. Again, sorry for the interruption. CHAK 001 (talk) 09:51, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

2011 Egyptian Revolution

Thank you for the Conversion of bare references on this page, however it appears that there is something that is a problem with the way that you are copying Arabic. If you look at reference 160, the one for http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/article2.aspx?ArticleID=289811&IssueID=2068, the title that you copied was not fully arabic. I'm not quite sure what went wrong though. I copied the title by hand and it appears to work now. See [1] for your changes and [2] for my fix. If your change looks right on your machine and mine doesn't then we may have a problem with display that we'll probably have to get help on.Naraht (talk) 07:57, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

No problem. :)Naraht (talk) 14:31, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

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Airbus A330

Heh, that thing hasn't really been relevant for years; I don't even think the two other founders are active on Wikipedia anymore. Alas, my activity in featuring articles is quite limited; I'm not quite up to snuff to the new featured article standards (I'm amazed that some of my former featured articles made it in the first place). However, if you require specific assistance, I can provide some, as well as advice. Specifically, ensure that you avoid citing blogs as references, unless you know for sure that the person writing it is an expert in this field. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:56, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

A present for you!

Thought you might like this: Commons:VN-A372 (aircraft). A VN Airlines Airbus A330-200 at Da Nang Airport, with the new terminal in the background. Couldn't get pictures at Tan Son Nhat (as I mentioned here) but figured this might be good for now. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 14:46, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

And finally—here's exactly what you wanted: File:Vietnam Airlines - Flight to Danang.jpg --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 18:33, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

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Copy-edit of Airbus A330

I've finished my copy-edit of the article you requested. Overall, there wasn't a lot that needed changed, just a few oddly-constructed sentences. However, due to the fact that the article includes both a lot of statistics and a lot of aircraft with numeric names, I've tried to put quantities into words where possible, to reduce the amount of numerals used - otherwise it gets a little bit too much. Feel free to change this back if you prefer the numeral-only approach. In addition, outside of copy-editing, I don't personally like the amount of depth placed on the #Notable accidents and incidents section. As the article is about the aircraft model, it seems pertinent to me to include only those incidents directly related to the aircraft itself - mechanical failures, etc, rather than, say, terror attacks which happened to affect individual aircraft of this model. Aside from that, good luck with the FA nomination! GRAPPLE X 03:03, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

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Issues regarding General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon

It is posible for you to withdraw your nomination of the F-16 article? I'm worried that a lot of preliminary work is lacking, and a discussion is now ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft#General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon into the sourcing of the article and other complications. Normally an advanced alert to the community on such a big article is preferred, as then we can respond to the drive to shift the article to a higher gear and create less problems for both the reviewer and responder when the review does take place. I hope you do not consider this as a sign of disrespect, I write to advise on the path which I see as best for creating improvement in the article over its current state today. Kyteto (talk) 16:47, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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Dates in publishing information

I know you don't see the problem, but the cite/book template you are using is malformed and does not allow the publishing date to appear as part of the publishing information; instead like APA style, it puts the date next to to the author(s). There is no allowance for multiple editions in this form and authors do not have any control over editions, that is entirely a publishing decision. If you choose to change all the presently correctly formed bibliographies to templates, at least try to accommodate the date into a logical location. No one expects you to know everything about referencing styles, and I realize there is a reason for the templates you are using but there are other ways of achieving the same result without changing the bibliographies arbitrarily. I could show you how to do that, but so far, there has been a lack of interest in anything other than rewriting everything into templates. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:59, 27 March 2011 (UTC).

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We are half way through round two of the WikiCup, which will end on 28 April. Of the 64 current contestants, 32 will make it through to the next round; the two highest in each pool, and the 16 next highest scorers. At the time of writing, our current overall leader is Hurricanehink (submissions) with 231 points, who leads Pool H. Piotrus (submissions) (Pool G) also has over 200 points, while 9 others (three of whom are in Pool D) have over 100 points. Remember that certain content (specifically, articles/portals included in at least 20 Wikipedias as of 31 December 2010 or articles which are considered "vital") is worth double points if promoted to good or featured status, or if it appears on the main page in the Did You Know column. There were some articles last round which were eligible for double points, but which were not claimed for. For more details, see Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring.

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WikiProject Espionage

Sp33dyphil,

Would like to welcome you to WP:WikiProject Espionage. Unfortunately, the founder has been AWOL for 11 months and his Wikipedia WikiProject is getting revived. Hope you can contribute or give feedback to the WikiProject. Enjoy your stay here at WP:WikiProject Espionage! Adamdaley (talk) 06:26, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

AWB - inconsequential edit

Hi, re this edit - the only change that I can see is the replacement of "Image:" by "File:", twice. Since these are synonymous (see WP:NS#Aliases, I believe that this edit falls foul of the AWB Rules of use item 4. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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Thank You

Thank You so much Phil for the kind words, the service badge and the barnstar. I'm feeling discouraged only because of the rude behaviour by an admin (User:Toddst1), who infact revoked my twinkle and rollback access. I was thinking of continuing for another 2 weeks and retiring forever. But with your words of appreciation, I'm gonna rethink on my decision. Thanks once again. —Abhishek ^{Talk to me} 10:32, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I was actually in a conflict with an editor on Electronics City. Although I accept my mistake of edit warring, I was actually removing improperly cited material from the article. User:Toddst1 failed to see this and blocked only me. He revoked my rollback rights considering that I had used rollback on the talk page of the user with whom I had a conflict. Well that was a mistake which I hadn't realised. I had the user's page on my watchlist and had accidently clicked on rollback on the watchlist. The admin considered me to be misusing the right and revoked it.

He revoked my twinkle access saying that I have previous problems using non-twinkle rollback. What I noticed was that this admin is a very rude user and has made irrelevant blocks many a times which caused him to be taken up at ANI. But there was still a lot of support for him on ANI despite his nasty behavior. So I have come to a conclusion that admins can err any number of times here, but if users like me err about 2-3 times, then we frowned upon. I infact posted on the admin seeking an explanation about his general rude behavior. But he didn't even bother to respond to that, but instead accused me of trolling. Anyways, I have written to an admin from Bangalore who takes care of India related projects, he is yet to respond. I will decide what to do after he responds. —Abhishek ^{Talk to me} 09:22, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I have sorted out the differences with the above said editor. I have decided now not to leave. I once again thank you for your extremely kind words, the barnstar and the service badge. It was only because of your kind words that I decided to sort out the differences and stay back. Regarding voicing my opinion on A330 at FAR, please gimme some time, I will do that. Cheers! —Abhishek ^{Talk to me} 16:53, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

AWB

I suggest you download the latest snapshot from http://toolserver.org/~awb/snapshots/AutoWikiBrowser5201_rev7660.zip . Then tell me if the bug appears again. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 22:13, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

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First Battle of Loc Ninh

Good catch. I've removed the infringement and removed the tag. Don't hesitate to be WP:BOLD and remove obvious violations like that in the future when you come across them (of course avoiding edit warring).

I don't see any point in any action against an IP who hasn't edited since December. 20:55, 13 April 2011 Toddst1 (talk)

Rollbacker

Hi. I've been looking over your contributions and you certainly seem to do good work here. I've gone ahead and issued you rollback rights. Please be careful with the privilege - it can be easily lost. I recommend you carefully read up on the what you should do and should not do with rollback, then practice here before using it. I'm confident you'll use it wisely. If for some reason you don't want it, let me know and I'll undo this change.

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What were you thinking?

huh?????? We should be trying to improve articles, not delete obviously notable articles. The-Pope (talk) 13:16, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

I just saw your reply to The-Pope and it really concerned me. Please read Wikipedia's guideline on notability, Wikipedia:Notability, and also the specific guideline which relates to athletes, Wikipedia:Notability (sports), which states that Aussie rules players need only to have played one match at AFL level to be presumed notable. Stratton has played 23. How you thought that deleting the article would be uncontroversial, which is what PRODs are for, is beyond me. It appears that you didn't even look for sources before PRODing, a simple google news search shows plenty of articles, any one of which would be considered significant coverage in independent reliable sources (to pass the WP:GNG) and also verify that he has played an AFL match (enough to pass WP:NSPORTS). As to there not being much info on his childhood, I would ask how that is at all relevant to notability? And yes, the article could become more than a stub. Please see Ken Hall (footballer), an article about a bloke who payed one game and didn't even get a kick, which is easily more than a stub. The same could be done for Stratton and you would be far better off spending your time trying to improve the article, rather than trying to get it deleted. I would respectfully request that you refrain from PRODing any more articles until you fully understand the notability guidelines. Jenks24 (talk) 05:47, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and my apologies if I came across a bit harsh in the above statement because it's clear your heart is in the right place. Yeah, there are far too many AFL bios that are stubs, but I believe that there is enough info out there to get them all up to at least start class (especially the more recent players like Stratton). About getting them to GA, the article that I mentioned above is at GAN for the simple reason that I want to see if a short article that covers all the info available can be a GA. If it does pass, I'll have a lot more hope that a large majority of WP:AFL's articles can become GAs. Oh, and I go for the dees (who played woefully against your hawks a few weeks ago). Jenks24 (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Dylan's RFA

I've moved the extensive thread of discussion over Malleus' oppose to the RFA's talk page, but edit conflicted your second change. Would you mind please restoring anything I've missed to the talk page? Thanks. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 09:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

What would you like me to do, I don't understand? Sp33dyphil ^{Ready • to • Rumble} 23:39, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

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A319

No criticism of your good work but just to note that changing [[Airbus A319]] to [[Airbus A320 family|Airbus A319]] will create a lot of work when the type is eventually split out from the family article. MilborneOne (talk) 07:33, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that, still thinking of creating A319 at some point when I get time if nobody else does. MilborneOne (talk) 07:44, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I used to change "A319", "A320" etc. WLs from the type redirect to "A320 family|" wherever I came across it, but I have stopped now on the understanding that we at some stage will be splitting all the family members off into separate articles. However I notice from my watchlist that you are going to "A320 family"; am I wrong in my belief that there was consensus not to do this anymore? YSSYguy (talk) 01:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure, actually. Where was this matter discussed? If this is the case, I will stop fixing A319 redirects, although I will fix those linking to Airbus A320. Sp33dyphil ^{Ready • to • Rumble} 01:27, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

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Airbus A330

Sorry, I forgot to mention I left one request for clarification in the "Design section" regarding this sentence. The designations were originally reversed because the airlines believed it illogical for a two-engine jet airliner to have a "4" in its name, while a quad would not. Maybe delete the last five words? ► Philg88 ◄ ^talk 07:17, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

The A340 was originally called the "Airbus A330", the the A330 vice versa. I think it's still worth mentioning the Airbus A340 and how it was originally called otherwise. Sp33dyphil ^{Ready • to • Rumble} 07:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I see, no problem. BTW, sorry for the screw ups with the ndashes - there is something wrong with that script which has now been flagged to the developer. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ ^talk 01:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

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Removing backlinks to 777

Can you explain why you have removed the above wiki-links ? Mtking (talk) 02:19, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Because they're redirects. Am I making a mistake? I can revert them back if I'm at fault, but I don't think I am. Sp33dyphil ^{Ready • to • Rumble} 02:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

If you can put them back, I think that the wiki-links are useful, and if in the future the redirect becomes a full article then there is no need to hunt all the ref's down. Mtking (talk) 02:41, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Do you really think 777-200ER will be an article? In any case, the full name should be Boeing 777-200ER, or what ever the last 5 numbers and digits are. Also, these article are saturated with links to Boeing 777, and unlinking the redirects won't create a problem. Sp33dyphil ^{Ready • to • Rumble} 02:46, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

And if Boeing 777-200ER becomes and article (for example after a spit) then 777-200ER will become a redireect to that page and everything works as it should but removing the wiki-link 777-200ER does potential harm, stopping a reader being able to jump directly to the relevant part of the Boeing 777 page. Mtking (talk) 02:55, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Sydney Johnson/GA1

I have addressed your concerns at Talk:Sydney Johnson/GA1.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:30, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Neil Armstrong

Can you clean up Neil Armstrong's talk page archives. I think I have been involved in the article in the past and its archives seem to be wiped out.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:08, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I still think the archive is missing stuff. Look at how extensive the history is. However, I managed to find Talk:Neil Armstrong/GA1, which says I delisted it from GA. I think another person is suppose to review it for GA if I delist it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:26, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure what your point is, but aside from speedies, it is quite uncommon for a reviewer to do more than one GA level review for a single article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:51, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

GAR tips / suggestions

Following our chat on IRC, suggestions: make sure your Bibliography is in alphabetical order. You have (at least) one dead link - try and get another one for it. I have gone through and fixed all the non-breaking spaces which I spotted on a first run-through, for you; no doubt there will be ones I have missed. Best of luck! First impression (from a novice) - I reckon it probably won't take much to go GA, but then that's just my opinion. There will be tweaks, obviously, to do. :o) There always are ..... Pesky (talk) 09:26, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Q Clash

The article Q Clash has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Neoloogism, No references to show widespread useage

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Porturology (talk) 12:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

• • I found some references and removed the template Porturology (talk) 12:10, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

• The article already existed at QClash so I redirected it there. The-Pope (talk) 12:16, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Areas of interest

Hi,
You've done lots of really impressive work on some aviation articles, but I can't help noticing that your User:Sp33dyphil/Master plan is all about aircraft. Would you consider looking at other subjects such as organisations (not necessarily just airlines & manufacturers), regulations, events/incidents, operating principles &c? A lot of the non-aircraft articles seem to be a bit neglected in comparison. Feel free to ignore this comment if you're already overworked or if you have your own particular interests bobrayner (talk) 14:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Changing Virgin Blue to Virgin Australia

G'day, I have been spending a bit of time this morning reversing your changes of Virgin Blue to Virgin Australia in a number of articles. It seems you haven't been checking the AWB properly (as you are meant to do under the Rules of Use), and have often made the change where it is simply not appropriate. Until last week Virgin Australia did not exist, so anything dealing with the past, such as the Ansett Australia article or text about Air NZ's purchasing a shareholding in DJ, should read "Virgin Blue" not "Virgin Australia"; the parent company is also still called 'Virgin Blue Holdings" at the moment. Also, in the Melbourne Airport article, there were a couple of instances where your edit resulted in the text reading "Virgin Australia (Virgin Australia)", as someone else had already made edits reflecting the change of name. I don't have any more time to look at your edits now, so please review them and revert as necessary. YSSYguy (talk) 01:12, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Please check the edits made with the AWB properly, as you are supposed to do. Your AWB-assisted edit to the Air New Zealand article earlier this evening was inappropriate and resulted in phrasing similar to the case I highlighted above, that occurred in the Melbourne Airport article. YSSYguy (talk) 11:02, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Will do Sp33dyphil ^{Ready • to • Rumble} 22:32, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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Your signature

Hi there. Would you mind changing your signature to something less eye-catching and noticeable? Per Wikipedia:Signatures#Appearance and color, neither tags like <big> nor striking colors that distract editors from the surrounding text should be used in signatures so that other editors are not inconvenienced by it and the text flow is not disrupted. Also, readers with visual disabilities may have problems reading white text on pink. Regards SoWhy 15:54, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

That's probably a good idea. Toddst1 (talk) 01:07, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Sure. 05:50, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Neil Armstrong GA review

Hi. The GA-review of Neil Armstrong has been started, by ThatPeskyCommoner (talk · contribs) - and I'll be trying to help out a bit.

The page where it'll all happen is Talk:Neil Armstrong/GA2.

There's nothing there right now, but should be, over the next few days - if you can keep checking on that page, and address/comment on the points raised during assessment, that'll be great.

In general, the article looks "OK", so I'm optimistic. One thing you might like to address, whilst waiting for more feedback, is: there are a few parts with no reference. If you skim through, you'll see the odd 'hanging sentence' with no ref, such as He holds honorary doctorates from a number of universities., As the right-hand seat pilot, Armstrong was in charge of the payload release..., Armstrong was one of two civilian pilots selected for the second group... and others.

I'm sure the referencing will be covered in more detail during the review, but thought I'd mention this now, as something to have a look at.

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Re Thanks

Hi Sp33dyphil,

Most of what's in Airbus A330 is pretty good and I wouldn't usually worry about much of what I've tagged if doing a normal copyedit; I'm just being a bit more picky on things given it's been requested in preparation for an FA nom, and this is the type of stuff that may get spotted or questioned by an FA reviewer. Some of the things I would have checked up and reworded myself, but most of the refs seem to be offline sources, so I can't do so. Also, not really being a plane buff, there's some uses of technical terminology that I'm sure would make perfect sense to anyone in the know, but I'm trying to simplify or briefly explain for a general Wiki readership. Additionally I believe this is the third request for copyedit, so I'm sort of assuming you're looking for things to be pretty thoroughly checked.

Where I've tagged for clarification I've tried to leave a bit of an explanation in the clarification tag - for example the "were intended to receive 180-minute approvals by 1995 ... and then to 180 minutes after 50,000 flight hours" part I tagged mainly because I don't know about the ETOPs certification program, so this didn't make sense to me. This is the type of technical terminology I'm talking about above that I'm sure is totally understandable if you're in the know, but doesn't make much sense to a general readership. I know it's linked to the ETOPs article, but often it's possible to give a brief one line summary of a process like that which makes that lengthy paragraph understandable without making a reader go and read the other article. If it is perfectly sensible and is standard writing for high-quality articles about planes, then I'm happy for you to just de-tag it.

Re the West Germans, no I'm not wondering what West Germans are, what I'm wondering is what West Germans you are talking about. The West Germans never get a mention until here - at least not that I could see, the article reads as though it's French based - then it's like these random West Germans are suddenly in on the design process. Now if I read the entire Airbus article the significance of this may become apparent, but as a reader I shouldn't have to do that. Maybe it just needs something as simple as a reword like, from:

The decision to work on the A320, instead of a four-engine aircraft proposed by the West Germans, created divisions within Airbus.

to

The decision to work on the A320 by the French management, instead of a four-engine aircraft proposed by the West German sector of Airbus, created divisions within the company.

(I don't know the details, so the terms may be out of whack, but with just a few more words someone reading this would know so much more about the company and what was going on in it at this point in time).

I'll have a look at the A-class nomination as you request when I'm done, but to be honest I personally don't put a lot of stock in article ratings. Having seen some pretty cruddy articles that are claimed to be FA, even in the recent past, I wonder whether those processes leave a lot to be desired. Having said which, it is a good recognition when people like you have put huge amounts of effort into articles like this Airbus one to make them thorough and informative.

Anyway, I'll go through and continue to pedantically tag those sorts of things, and if you think that I've missed the mark here and there, then its fine by me for you to just remove the tag. If it's not clear what I'm tagging in some points then again feel free to ask. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 04:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the 450/750 million pounds needs an explanation, cos it just drops in out of nowhere as though it makes perfect sense to be there. --jjron (talk) 07:29, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Some big problems in Airbus_A330#A330-200HGW. As written it should come under Airbus_A330#Proposed_variants, but if delivery has already been effected, then it needs to be rewritten to past tense and referenced (I've added a clarification tag with some more details). --jjron (talk) 07:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Is Airbus_A330#Proposed_variants correctly named? The subtitle suggests it's about variants that are proposed for development, but it's actually about variants that were proposed in the past and failed. Could be standard naming practice? --jjron (talk) 09:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Nah, as said in my final edit summary, it's done. We basically do an article and then move on (not meaning to sound blasé, but I've copy-edited some 57 articles in the last three weeks, so there's no way I've got time to keep tracking them all). But if there's specific changes or additions you want me to look over, then give me a yell, however I didn't intend to keep indefinitely checking it over. --jjron (talk) 13:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

On the Floor

As someone with near zero (if not zero) input into the article you have no right to nominate On the Floor for GA. Notice that I've edited the article 356 times, more than 6× as much as the next nearest person (see here) I make an edit to the article every 8.5 hours. Now how would you feel if you edited an article as much as I edit On the Floor, genuinely adding content every day and removing vandalism, only for some random stranger to nominate it for GA... especially considering that said randomer has: 1) not contributed to the article and 2) the article isn't ready for GA. For these reasons I've removed the nomination. I consider GAN as a way of achieving a reward for one's hard work editing and certainly when one awards GA to another its a pat on the back for their hard work. Its not ethical or morally acceptable IMO to hijack someone else hard work. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 02:34, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I was just surfing a few articles about songs, and I trampled across On the Floor. I thought it was up to scratch, and so, using my initiatives, nominated it. Since your the primary contributor, I accept your actions of removing it from GAN. However, I'll improve the article so, if I nominate it for GAN, you'll have to come up with a really good reason to remove it. Sp33dyphil ^{Ready • to • Rumble} 02:40, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm already working on improving the article...having conducted a peer review and several other informal reviews. I would consider it extremely rude and unwikipedia-like for you to nominate the article again. By all means if you wish to work together on the GA that's another thing. However, to solely nominate something which you've jumped on the bandwagon of, especially after all the hard work has already been done, and considering that there is an active regular contributor who's stated an intention of taking the article to GA... it would be incredibly selfish to do so. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 02:47, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I see what you mean. OK, I'm sorry for my thoughtless nomination. I acknowledge you as the driver – please steer us towards the destination. You can talk directly to me at [3] Sp33dyphil ^{Ready • to • Rumble} 02:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

As a complete outsider... nomination is just nomination. If GA is a mark of prestige then I'm sure that the vast majority of the prestige would fall on the person who wrote the vast majority of the article. I'm sure Sp33dyphil didn't intend to take credit for Lil-unique1's hard work.

If anybody nominated one of my articles for GA, I'd be thrilled, because I'd get the warm fuzzy feeling of having written a GA even though somebody else is fixing the final impediments that I hadn't got around to doing. ;-) bobrayner (talk) 22:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Like I said I've appreciated Sp33dyphil's input but the article was not ready for nomination as the talk page show's it was recently peer reviewed and lots of changes are being made, pushing the article to the stage where it is ready for such nomination. If you look at the edit history, within the last couple of days I've made a mass of changes updating content, fixing references, grammar and adding missing information. Whilst everyone is encouraged to work towards GAs (they are a good thing), Phil should have checked with me first as its evident that this article has a regular editor who is already working towards the standard required. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 22:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Update on Nominated articles

Please observe that several citation required tags have been added to North American XB-70 Valkyrie, I would advise that they be resolved prior to the GA. Additionally, I have prepared additional content on the Avro Vulcan; personally I would not have considered it ready for A-level reviewing, as I had planned to remodel it at some point, the development section is a little thin on the ground and did skirt some important considerations, such as the export market. More could be added on foreign interest, but I am up to my neck in other projects right now, I have only been able to add information on Australia. It would be advisable to do some reading into the Vulcan's development, if you wish to generate further positive content for the article. Kyteto (talk) 23:01, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

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Suggestions

Hi,
Could I ask for some informal suggestions?
After your gentle nudges last month, I've decided to take some of "my" articles through GA. Any suggestions or hints before I begin formalities? The first one will be Maersk Triple E class (which needs some cleanup of refs first), perhaps followed by some articles on the Ottoman empire. bobrayner (talk) 15:04, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Checklinks

Hi, Kind of linked to the Removing backlinks to 777 discussion on this page. using Checklinks is linking pages to redirects. For example its linking 777-300ER to [[Boeing 777-300ER]] rather than, [[Boeing 777|Boeing 777-300ER]]. It does redirect but its not really the best way of doing it. Its also going against what you said yourself in Removing backlinks to 777.

--JetBlast (talk) 15:19, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

The changes were made by a script embedded in the tool. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 00:35, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Its still not very good to be honest, not good practice. Why would you want it that way? --JetBlast (talk) 09:36, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

What way? My only interest is to tag dead links so others become aware of them. I didn't want the changes to take place. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 09:39, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Im totally lost now.... Using checklinks is "breaking" the links in the fleet tables, its doing this as well as sorting other dead links. for example its changing [[Boeing 777|Boeing 777-300ER]] to [[Boeing 777-300ER]]. Its linking to redirects. Not the best practice to be honest. It seems to do it to the Boeing 777 in particular. Before you save the changes the tool makes it might be best to put the links back to what they where. Infact in Removing backlinks to 777 you seemed to change some links so they are not linked to redirects. --JetBlast (talk) 09:47, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

I know that. I'm an advocate against linking to redirects. I tried by best to revert some of the changes, but in some pages there are tens of them, particularly in the fleet table. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 09:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Before you hit save it might be a good idea to edit the changes it has made and not to just hit save. Someone will now have to go through and revert these edits now. With the tools used on wikipedia like AWB and checklinks the results need to be checked manually and any unwanted changes to be reverted.--JetBlast (talk) 10:06, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Every now and then I go on to AWB and go over my edits, and changed fixed redirects. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 11:32, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

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FA on 330

Hey, I'm going to feel bad if you don't even get enough reviews on your article. Personally, I think you need to track down and provide your own reviewers if the process is not doing so. I don't mean "canvassing" or favor trading or expecting a support. But find people who will give the thing a solid look at and then support or oppose. If anything you are doing the process a help, by getting them interacting (if they do good reviews) on the FA page, and maybe they go review a second article as well after yours. And obviously the process does not "assign" reviewers (like a real journal would) and content in general at Wiki gets less and less reviewers...so you can't rely on "people stopping by".

Might try Mil Hist or maybe France projects. I don't know if we have a "Companies" project, but that is also an idea. I would do more than just post a note on the talk pages of the projects (do that), but would also find out who has recent FAs completed in those spaces and then ask those fellows to do a review. I assume you have the aviation project covered. I find people respond much better to direct requests on their talk and kinda tune out requests that are "broadcast".

Another idea: look at the 5 passed FAs and note the reviewers and nominators. Ask each (noting you read his previous review) to give you an A330 review. I would also think that reading those reviews would give you a lot of insight on things to look for in your own article! (I just skimmed the 770 FAC from 2009.)

It seems to have the right content. This is very important and I would not lose sight of that. Or think that FA is only about prose and/or endnote format compliance

Is even pretty decent prose-wise, although I did see a few of the glitches that Sandy mentioned. I think "running it through GOCE" doesn't impress anyone at FA (almost the reverse) as they realize (as does the Guild) that GOCE handles a lot of articlees that are well below FA and that a lot of the GOCE has never done an FA ("anyone can copyedit"). I think it's fine that you used them and they seem to have really done some good work. Just explaining...

I just felt bad when I realized you were not even getting reviews...and that you were a young user and a first timer. Good luck!TCO (talk) 03:00, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

The table is fine

If someone is going to mess with you for not following a project template data table! Well ignore it. Wiki has article to article variation and that is how we find better formats.

I can't support until I figure out the alphabet soup of the development effort. But after I do, I will.

I'll also go through the grammar, but I agree the problems were isolated. Or if not isolated, they could be called out on many articles that roll through here. I can't talk for Sandy, but looking at the 770 review, and just my reaction as a reader, I think it's the dullness and the number haze that is more the pain point. I know how to fix that for the first couple body sections.

Hang in there. Everyone appreciates that you did some work. You're doing better than I did my first time enduring this process. You just gotta keep your cool. Take actions on the things people bring up that you agree with and be calm and just say no, politely on ones that you disagree with. TCO (talk) 06:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

GA pass - exceptionally well done

Like it says, lol! Pesky (talk …stalk!) 11:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot to your part, too!

This, you deserve

		The Special Barnstar
		For courage in the face of adversity, and commitment above and beyond the call of duty, for your work on Neil Armstrong Pesky (talk …stalk!) 11:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Pesky (talk …stalk!) 11:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Optimizing variants

Hey, I support keeping the coverage of all the variants at this level of content (can't recall if someone complained.) It's towards the end of the article, so the detail is less a concern. And it's a lot better to keep things together in this sort of sitatiation (e.g. see painted turtle where we had all 4 subspecies...much better article...as they had so much in common...than if we split them out.

What I would like to do is just change the order of the variants.

• Cut the overview stuff (not a fan of that duplication. you covered that very well in development and design. Let's make this section just be the different variants.
• Call the first set "commercial variants"

• Sorry, I won't do this specific request because this article is about a commercial aircraft, so any variant is commercial be default. If it is otherwise, we are then required to state what kind of aircraft it is, military of commercial. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 09:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

OK.TCO (talk) 09:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Within commercial, go in chrono order (300 first). It's such a short list, you don't get lost. Besides, you are not in strict alphanumeric order now anyway with F coming after HGW.
• Also move "undeveloped" below military.

I think it will make it more organized for the average reader. Just want your OK, before I start moving the sections.TCO (talk) 09:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I am in the chat...

citation re-review for A330

I asked Nikki nicely, and she is willing to relook through the vcite refs. (Which we need.) She wants an assurance first, that the refs are not going to change again. Are you OK with them being Vcite? I guess you could change them back, but that will be a hassle with all the intervening edits...and basically still need a re-review if it's done manually. Only reason, I'm asking is because you have this master plan and all.

That fellow REALLY should not have changed them in the middle of the review. If that happens again, would revert (and the FAC peeps will back you up). But my advice on this one:

• let's leave it in Vcite and get the review done and get the plane "launched". Nikki will go over them again.
• If you want your articles in a particular format, I would defend them in the future (people will back you up, if you are the major contributor).

OK? So my suggestion is you go say say nice things to Nikki, leave the vcite, and let's get this fuselage moving forward.  :-)

TCO (talk) 19:40, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I support

I support A330 for Featured Article. TCO (talk) 00:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

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Trying to get this table prettied up.

See here. [4]

Can you please double-check the accuracy of all the terms here. Note, I intentionally kept it simple (years not exact dates) as the intention is really to be more of a roadmap or a "key" for all the plane models and their nicknames. But fix any mistakes please. It may get converted to an image, in which case it will be more of a hassle to work with.

You can still sign off if you hate it. But I honestly think the confusion on all the plane number letters is a lot the turnoff to aviation articles. Once I had that figured out, the topic was interesting. Just want to give the reader some help with this section, that really talks a lot about the whole A300 family to the 340.TCO (talk) 03:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Your message for SandyGeorgia

You left a message for her on her user page, so I've moved it to her talk page. Regards, Matthewedwards :  Chat  07:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't realise. No wonder there weren't any other posts! --Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 07:05, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the tense error was, but it did seem like a pronoun error (its out to be their, referring back to several airlines, not the parenthetical Singapore Air.) I can't find the phrase in article though, may already be fixed.TCO (talk) 07:31, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I fixed it. Thanks for looking at it. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 07:34, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

copyedit for A330

I have been trying to wrestle down a superstar copyeditor to go through this thing and satisfy the director but have not got one yet. That said, looking at it am finding several errors (extra commas a lot, also sentences that change the logic train from front to back). I can try to go through the thing and clean them up. To avoid controversy will do a lot of intermediate saves and edit explanations. Will not do any major changes. Not sure if that will be "good enough" to pass the bar with Sandy, but I am seeing enough clear errors that I can tell I can fix several and help it. Am a little sick so may be a little slow, but I know this article pretty well, so should get it done in 48 hours.TCO (talk) 09:43, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good, go ahead. I'll back you up. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 09:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

OK. (1) Saying what it "is" in the first half of the first sentence and than saying "developed by" (something from the past) is what I mean by mangling the sentence logic. It's mixing different time concepts. And we don't need to. We have plenty of sentences later on to talk about development. Keep like with like makes it easier on the reader. First two sentences should be what it is now. Clean. Then we have next 3-4 that talk about development with more of a past focus.TCO (talk) 09:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

(2) Later on, there is another sentence that is too tortuous, with the discussion from the 1970s and then culminating in 1987, along with a shift from the A300 to (implied) smaller planes back to the 330. That one needs some untangling (and probably a couple of words of content added in from the body, to make the program evolution more understandable). I gotta sleep, so won't fix it now.TCO (talk) 09:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Deadlinks

Obviously using a bot or programmed change does identify dead links, but it is more important to replace the links rather than remove them. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 10:48, 30 June 2011 (UTC).

• I'm only removing dead links under "External links". Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 10:51, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

But many of them and I have been sweeping up after you, are merely archived or still available in another referenced source and still active; you have to go slower and not rely so heavily on a bot. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 11:00, 30 June 2011 (UTC).

Look, I don't want to be obstructive, but if it was an inline citation, I will be leaving it alone, and will try to find replacements. However, if a particular link falls under the "External links" banner, I will remove it, since they serve no purpose whatsoever. Should the reader want to research the subject further, they can search it on Google. Wikipedia is not a long list of respiratory links – the meaty thing is the text within the article, not the external links, let alone those that are dead. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 11:07, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

The external links provide an alternative source of information, see WP:EXT and many editors consider them part of the reference section. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 11:34, 30 June 2011 (UTC).

If you look at the first point of "What to link", it asks "Is the site content accessible to the reader?" The answer in this case is no, since some are dead. I'm not sure what sort of computer or software you own, but a page that reads "Error 404", to me, and to most of the readers, is unaccessible. In the lead there's the statement "The burden of providing this justification is on the person who wants to include an external link." Well, I don't want to include a dead link, because, well, it's dead. Have I been deleting perfectly accessible websites? No. Have I been deleting informative websites? Yes. But why are they deleted? Because they're dead. If I had not deleted the link, would you have been replacing them? Maybe. But it's not like I'm doing nothing. I'm cleaning up a few articles as well, replacing dead links and a few other jobs. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 11:45, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Bzuk is correct (just to butt in); if a link is completely dead, fine, remove it. But where archived copies of the contents are possible, you should link to them rather than remove the line entirely. Ironholds (talk) 11:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

AFAIK, you have a bot on a mission, great. Identify the problem in the article, and see if there is a replacement rather than leaving it to others to do the repair. In one particular edit, an entire external section was summarily removed, including the commons link, a quick check, however, showed that the first external site was still active under a new section on the website. The original source merely has a new "pointer" in the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum. Simply removing external links because they don't fit your idea of references, as your argument that "google it" is the alternative is also questionable to say the least. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 12:01, 30 June 2011 (UTC).

Fine. I'll be tagging dead links throughout the article, but will only replace those within the article, not the external links section. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 12:09, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Please also tag dead links in the External Links section using the bot, that gives other editors a warning that the link is no longer active which leads to a review of the site in order to remove, replace or substitute a link. FWiW, I agree with you that many external links are of dubious value and should be removed. Bzuk (talk) 12:26, 30 June 2011 (UTC).

That's what I've been doing the whole time. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 12:28, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Not really, going back to the original "shot over the bows", this was to alert you that replacing rather than deleting dead links should be a priority. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:03, 30 June 2011 (UTC).

Battle of Ismailia

Hi there!

I want to thank you for supporting that article in it's A-Class review. Apologies for not replying, I'm still very busy with my exams. You noted you spotted some minor issues with the article, and I was hoping you would indeed let me know what they are. Cheers! --Sherif9282 (talk) 16:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikify Discussion Invitation

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WikiCup 2011 June newsletter

We are half way through 2011, and entering the penultimate round of this year's WikiCup; the semi-finals are upon us! Points scored in the interim (29/30 June) may be counted towards next round, but please do not update your submissions' pages until the next round has begun. 16 contestants remain, and all have shown dedication to the project to reach this far. Our round leader was Casliber (submissions) who, among other things, successfully passed three articles through featured article candidates and claimed an impressive 29 articles at Did You Know, scoring 555 points. Casliber led pool D. Pool A was led by Wizardman (submissions), claiming points for a featured article, a featured list and seven good article reviews, while pool C was led by Eisfbnore (submissions), who claimed for two good articles, ten articles at Did You Know and four good article reviews. They scored 154 and 118 respectively. Pool B was by far our most competitive pool; six of the eight competitors made it through to round 4, with all of them scoring over 100 points. The pool was led by Hurricanehink (submissions), who claimed for, among other things, three featured articles and five good articles. In addition to the four pool leaders, 12 others (the four second places, and the 8 next highest overall) make up our final 16. The lowest scorer who reached round 4 scored 76 points; a significant increase on the 41 needed to reach round 3. Eight of our semi-finalists scored at least twice as much as this.

No points were awarded this round for featured pictures, good topics or In the News, and no points have been awarded in the whole competition for featured topics, featured portals or featured sounds. Instead, the highest percentage of points has come from good articles. Featured articles, despite their high point cost, are low in number, and so, overall, share a comparable number of points with Did You Know, which are high in number but low in cost. A comparatively small but still considerable number of points come from featured lists and good article reviews, rounding out this round's overall scores.

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