User talk:WesleyDodds

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"First!"

Finishing that article (the 2000s sections) has been on my to-do list for years now. By the way, Nevermind needs to be FAC nominated before too long.—indopug (talk) 15:36, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Unable to decide between "the Beatles" and "The Beatles", the good folks at Talk:The Beatles are voting whether to rewrite the entire article so that "The Beatles" never crops up at all.—indopug (talk) 06:03, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Aargh, music analysis is hardly my strength—but I think I can use to revamp the Musical style section. By the way, check out Zoo_TV_Tour#Impact_and_legacy for some details (and sources) we should consider incorporating into the Pixies article.—indopug (talk) 07:57, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Go for it. Which reminds me—the whole project could use a kick up the backside. Restart the COTW and the newsletter?—indopug (talk) 16:38, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Headdesk.—indopug (talk) 08:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Bad idea. By the way, the allmusic thing should probably be brought up at WT:ALBUM.—indopug (talk) 08:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I always thought the "Harris, p. 90" cite, which covers the "For Tomorrow" chart position, covers this too. Anyway, I am travelling now, and will look into it in a few days.—indopug (talk) 11:06, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Ditto.—indopug (talk) 14:52, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Grrrrummmble: damn this thing for taking away all my Internet time.—indopug (talk) 13:56, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Shoegaze

I'm challenging myself to upgrade an article to GA quality around each week to keep myself writing. This week its The Sundays (half-written in my sandbox), next week I'm going to start on shoegazing bands with Curve, and then most likely Lush next. I rewrote most of Slowdive quite a while ago. I plan on getting around to finishing it eventually, but I want to take it slow because I would like to see it through FAC. You're welcome to help if you like. I enjoyed the work you did on Loveless and your post-punk articles.-- Noj r (talk) 07:27, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I was aware while writing the section that it relied heavily on reviews. There's not much I can do though; footnote bands like Romeo Void or Curve aren't going to have many articles that discuss the nuts and bolts of their music. I simply try to squeeze everything I can out of the limited sources and represent as best as possible. -- Noj r (talk) 08:06, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

You are correct. -- Noj r (talk) 18:39, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

"One song doesn't require a paragraph."

in The Cure article, before you starting whacking the statement about the soundtrack song from Judge Dredd, the statement had been there for quite some time. The other day I did some copy editing and the statement ended up in its own little paragraph when before it was in the middle of a larger paragraph. In my opinion this is not a good reason to delete a statement about something notable in the band's history. Think about putting it back because everyone else thought it was fine when it was paragraphed differently. Thanks. --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:01, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Halo's FAC

Hello. Days ago, you questioned me at its current FAC if I'd consulted all the possible physical magazines about music. After some researching (me and other users) we found some missing information and I later started to think about your comment. It is practically impossible to me to find musicial magazines (excepting Rolling Stone) because I've never seen them and thanks to Wikipedia I know they exist. I was thinking that in general the article is complete, of course I believe it deserves a complete composition section, but I regret I'd never took musical classes to do something like this article's composition section. Also I was thinking about the "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" stuff, so I don't know what would be missed (according to you) to not consider it as "indiscriminate". Tbhotch* ^{۩ ۞} 05:26, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

OK thanks, I'll see what I should do. Tbhotch* ^{۩ ۞} 06:14, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

John Frusciante

Hey Wesley, just wanted to touch base with you. You asked me to keep an eye on the Frusciante article, but to my shame, I haven't really been doing so; primarily because he dropped out (or at the very least is on hiatus) from the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I love the music John and Flea co-compose but try as I might, I just can't get with John's solo music. It was a huge disappointment to see that he hadn't plans of touring and recording with them. Whew! Anyway, if you ever can find the time, there are several articles that really need a copyeditor's fine tuning-- offhand, the Rory Gallagher, Cat Stevens, The Rolling Stones (and it's various members), and recently I began corresponding with David Knopfler, bringing back my interest in Dire Straits. Other than Gallagher, I would also posthumously love to see some work on Chris Whitley, Jaco Pastorius, and several others. Just drop me a line whenever! Hope all is well with you in the real world! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 19:07, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree with your Radiohead edit

From your edit summary, it sounded like you were on the fence about it. I'm pretty sure I removed that same text a week or two ago for the same exact reason. It's non-news that Radiohead will keep on keeping on, potentially dropping albums without warning. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

"Irresistible (Jessica Simpson song)"

Hi WesleyDodds! I've nominated (third nom) the above song article for an FA. If you're free, could you go through it? Your comments are always welcome. Thank you. Novice7 (talk) 10:51, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

User:LuciferMorgan/Draft

Hi, how've you been? Hope you've been well. Currently working on something in draft form here and there, but the retrieval dates don't seem to be appearing... was wondering if you could have a look? LuciferMorgan (talk) 12:50, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Usually something simple messes a template up, something a fresh pair of eyes notices. Reason I stopped working on Wikipedia articles was a combination of things, one being busy, but the other was being a bit annoyed my article Enter the Grave failed FA. It's frustrating when people seem to look down on the fanzines and expect newspaper reviews of some random thrash album.

I'm usually on Wikipedia, mainly nosing on what's going on at the Alternative music project and seeing what's happening. If the metal project was half as good that'd be something, but they're more interested in some random band who's sold a hundred tapes on some no-name label.

I'll be sure to fix those things in my draft. By the way, do you tend to purchase any guitar related mags? Firewind / Gus G. tend to be covered by them, especially given his status as Ozzy's guitarist. LuciferMorgan (talk) 21:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm aware of rocksbackpages.com - a few freelancers I know have material on there. I'd definitely help with Led Zeppelin, though unfortunately I don't have any Led Zep books to hand. Hammer of the Gods is one which is mentioned a lot, though I heard it's not all truthful... and there's the more recent one by Mick Wall of course. I tend to steer clear of overly popular articles since you have pain in the arse editors to deal with who seem to not want the articles improved. LuciferMorgan (talk) 13:05, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Since the main WikiProject Comics Noticeboard has not been significantly updated since 2009, and since the 2011 merger/move noticeboard is seldom used, I'm asking a few Project members to spread the word that this page exists and that there is a current merge proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Notice board/Requested moves/2011. Thanks, --Tenebrae (talk) 21:20, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Third Summers brother for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Third Summers brother is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Third Summers brother until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.--Crazy runner (talk) 06:48, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Removing microformat data

Why? Why would you remove {{Start date}} from In Utero (here) and remove the microformat functionality in contravention of WP:ALBUM? Is there something I'm missing here? Please respond on my talk. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:08, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

And again You don't provide edit summaries and you don't respond here, so I'm at an impasse. There's no apparent reason for this and the microformat data are useful for creating databases and lists, so until WP:ALBUM changes to remove microformat data or you can give me some good reason why this album article shouldn't have it I guess I'll just have to keep reverting you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:59, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Use The notion that they aren't used very much (which is entirely possible--I honestly don't know) is all the more reason for using it in a prominent FA. That having been said, every album article with an infobox has some hAudio data and if {{Duration}} and {{Start date}} are used more, they could (e.g.) be used to dynamically generate a list of all albums released by an artist, a record label, in a year, in a genre, etc. without manually creating or maintaining those lists. At the risk of being pedantic, there is an entire WikiProject devoted to the implementation of microdata on Wikipedia expressly for this purpose. That having been said, these templates should either be deployed project-wide or not--(deliberately) using them some of the time and not others defeats the purpose of generating databases, lists, etc. from this data. I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but there's still no argument that this article in particular shouldn't have the microdata forms and there are arguments that it should, as far as I can see. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:16, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Pixies FAR

Hi Wesley - It looks like the FAR for Pixies (WP:Featured article review/Pixies/archive1) is starting to come to an end; however, Moisejp has said that he won't be available to work on any further comments. Are you willing to take on any last comments, or do you have an opinion on the status of the article as it currently stands? Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 15:38, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Here Comes Your Man

The article was reviewed 5 days ago. Just wanted to check will you be able to respond to the queries since it seems you are busy in RL. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 07:20, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

OK Computer

Hello, I recently nominated OK Computer for FAC, because I'm almost sure that it meets the criteria. Do you have any suggestions? TGilmour (talk) 13:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it's overdue for FA status and one last push should do it. I agree about the tables, they're both redundant to the text as it is anyway. Also I'm about to start pulling some info from the Amazon preview of Radiohead: Hysterical and Useless. Feel free to rein the writing in if it goes overboard. Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 20:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Awesome. Tracking down a copy of Exit Music and copyediting would be extremely helpful. --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 15:40, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you think it would be appropriate to have a tour section, like the some of the RHCP articles do? --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 18:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that... I haven't really edited it much in a while, but it's probably about done. --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 12:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys when are you going to get it to FAC? 107.20.23.31 (talk) 15:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Should be really soon, IP who I'll assume is TGilmour. Dodds, can you give it a solid once-over? --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 21:10, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I have one concern: if there are books listed in the Further Reading section, it means that article is not comprehensive, so I'd love someone getting Radiohead's OK Computer. 33⅓ series and writing ut the main points if there are some. 107.20.19.183 (talk) 23:00, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I changed the refs because I like that you can link back to the book that's being used, I just think it's a neat feature. And regarding the 33 1/3 book, I'm strongly convinced that it's useless. It has poor reviews and mostly focuses (from what I've read in previews, browsing through an actual copy a few years back, and according to reviews) on shallow analysis of what it means for OK Computer to be a great album, and what that means in the context of what an album is, and the history of "the album" as a format, and some light analysis of the musical composition that is at best redundant to what's already in the article. It's in Further reading because, hey, there's a whole book "about" this album out there that someone reading the article might want to look into, but it doesn't mean it's useful for us. --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 03:34, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I had high hopes for the Kid A one too, maybe by the In Rainbows book in 2016 they'll figure out how to write about Radiohead. I did read through the sections on composition a little while back (they're either not available through Google Books or Amazon now or I ran through the limited preview differently) and it's mostly information that can be obtained from the OK Computer songbook (which I have a pdf copy of, although that level of detail is better suited for articles on individual songs anyway) or analysis of the way the track listing fits together, i.e. the author's rather long-winded theories on which groups of tracks are best thematically/lyrically grouped in sequence. --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 06:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, I definitely prefer the citation templates. I think it's a good system for working with multiple books and I think it's a great aid for the reader. --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 07:46, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

It's time for FAC. 50.19.23.142 (talk) 10:25, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

The Velvet Rope

Hi Wes. Been a long time since we've spoken. Hope all is well with you. I was wondering if you could take a look at The Velvet Rope introduction and see if you could tweak it? I've done several attempts at rewriting it, but it never seems to feel complete. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 04:17, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

WP Albums in the Signpost

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Albums for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 00:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

RE: 808s

I'm not the main contributor to the article. I've contributed primarily to the Reception section and cleaning up (MOS fixes, some formatting, etc.), but I'm not sure who wrote most of the article. Right now I'd like to continue working on another article, perhaps get it through GA too. Dan56 (talk) 03:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)