Talk:Southern hospitality

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Reverted to Aug 2006 stub because subsequent changes didn't fit Wikipedia guidelines for a variety of reasons. Sudiekins' contributions were particularly nonsensical and inappropriate. Jamiem 22:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Isn't southern hospitality a uncomfortable term because of its inherent ties to slavery —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.227.69.38 (talk • contribs) .

No more then the state name "South Carolina" is "uncomfortable because of its inherent ties to slavery" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.12.164.100 (talk • contribs) .

No, southern hospitality is an uncomfortable term because it doesn't exist because southerners are egotistical and self-centered, all of this coming from someone who has lived in Tennessee his entire life. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gorovich (talk • contribs) .

Doesn't matter if it exists - communism doesn't exist anywhere, and neither does Chewbacca, but we've got articles on both. bd2412 T 21:59, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually Souther Hospitality exists and prospers well. Coming from another country and traveling up and down the Eastern seaboard, Southerners are particularly friendlier and hospitable than Northerners. In fact I see it everyday as I have settled down in South Carolina. VmanBG 19:05, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with this article with the exception of the last paragraph.

Southern Ladies and Gentlemen also have good morality. They know the value of hardwork and the satisfaction that comes with it. They tend put others before themselves trying to help all and please everyone. Helping them, while also helping themselves.

It's a significant generalisation and not written in the same tone as the rest of the article. Since I don't live in the US, and therefore don't really have any idea of what the outside view of Southern morals and work ethic is, I'd prefer to leave someone else to edit this.

While the final statement about morality and hard work should be removed because it merely has nothing to do with hospitality, the article as a whole does well to generalize to someone not from the area what the idea is about. Southern hospitality does exist, is alive and well, and has no ties to slavery. The individual tendency of a person from the American South to be more outgoing and friendly towards a stranger as compared to other areas of the country (Especially major metro areas) is well established. It is a deeply rooted part of the southern culture to be hospitable and friendly. While every person in the South is not neccessarily friendly, the South as whole has/has had a reputation for hospitality. This article is not about someones opinion, but defines the term and explains the ideology.

Since the entire article is based on unsourced information and original research I'm going to give it a major rewriteReinoe (talk) 22:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

It strikes me as odd that all three of the sources in this article contain the name "Abbot". It could be coincidence but, strike me down, it seems odd

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"Isn't southern hospitality a uncomfortable term because of its inherent ties to slavery" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.227.69.38

That is quite possibly the dumbest statement I have ever seen on Wikipedia, and also possibly the dumbest statement I have ever seen anywhere on the internet...

"No, southern hospitality is an uncomfortable term because it doesn't exist because southerners are egotistical and self-centered, all of this coming from someone who has lived in Tennessee his entire life." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gorovich (talk •

That might be the second dumbest... —

Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.198.192 (talk) 19:14, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

needs rewrite

I agree this really needs a re-write. What marks Southern Hospitality as notable and different from other parts of the US? While a NPOV needs to be maintained it is also important to explain the cultural importance of certain customs.

Does anyone know of a southern etiquette guide that could be used as a viable source? I can dig up my old charm school books but southern hospitality might be more of a interpersonal thing than written.

My experience with Southern Hospitality is that of a central/north Texas variety amongst african-american and upper-middle class white groups so it will obviously not be the same as southern hospitality as that experienced in Georgia or Alabama.

Junkupshowup (talk) 06:43, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Will work on it

First off, I think we should dismiss any anecdotal evidence. Several people here mention the lack of hospitality or abundance depending on their personal experience. I, for one, have had many foreign friends come visit and immediately pick up on aspects of "Southern Hospitality" that they did not notice elsewhere. Also, as a Georgian (albeit, an ex-pat), I make it a point to extend hospitality and show courtesy and manners because that is what I was raised to do.

However, none of our personal experiences matter. This is an article about a widely held belief or extant phenomenon(depending on your view) that needs to have an article. As an example--When I went to graduate school in Europe, many of my European friends and acquaintances often asked me about the "Southern Hospitality" they've heard of--thus, it is a widely held and propagated idea that needs to be addressed.

SO, to get to the point. I experienced a lot of what the article talks about and can compare it to my experience living overseas and in several US cities. However, I will try to find studies or books that cover the subject. As far as cuisine, manners, and open-door hospitality, I will ping a few of my friends who are academics who research American History and Southern Culture as the university level. We need to avoid having people edit this based on their personal experience and I will work on finding professional sources.

For now, some general criticism: the introduction to the "critical examination" extrapolates things that are clearly not said in the book exert. For instance, no one I know says "Ma'am" or "Sir", starts up friendly conversations at random, invites people to dinner, or maintains proper decorum and manners because we are supposedly racist, trying to cover up our past of segregation, or living in poverty. This is hogwash and is clearly not said in the exert. If no one has any objections, I will eventually change the sentence to better reflect what the exert author said.

Input? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theboondocksaint (talk • contribs) 23:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

NPOV concerns

An editor placed an NPOV tag on the article, but did not provide an explanation on the talk page as to what about the article raised a concern for this editor. So far as I can tell, the article accurately relates a well-documented stereotype, examples thereof, and criticisms thereof. Of course, it could stand to be expanded, but this is not the same as saying that it has a bias that requires correction. bd2412 T 01:01, 21 December 2009 (UTC)