User talk:Calvin Grant

Welcome

Hello, Calvin Grant and Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking if shown; this will automatically produce your username and the date. Also, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field with your edits. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Gurt Posh (talk) 10:51, 17 July 2011 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: Edit a page • Upload and use images • Create your first article Intuitive guide to Wikipedia • Article Creation Wizard Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Help desk: A Wiki Styled page to ask questions on Help directory: A comprehensive list-style help contents page Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons List of policies • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism • List of guidelines Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Simplified manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Peer review • Featured content Miscellaneous User pages • Talk pages Awards a registered contributor can achieve and award Clean up: General • Spam • Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

DYK nomination of I Am a Camera (film)

Hi. I've nominated I Am a Camera (film), an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. —Bruce1ee^talk 12:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Law & Order episode articles

Hi Calvin Grant, and Welcome to Wikipedia! :)

I'm just notifying you to tell you that I have reverted most of your redirects to Law & Order episode articles, due to the fact that some, if not most episodes do have reliable sources, and do meet Wikipedia episode guidlines. Also, all articles do have a talk page, where you can discuss with other editors why you're redirecting the article.

If there is anything further, whether it be problems, questions, or any assistance, please feel free to contact me. Thank You -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 08:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm going to be changing back everything you did because the episodes do not have reliable sources that show the episodes are notable on their own. I suggest that you do not undo any changes unless you can prove that such sources exist. Many of these episodes have had notes on them for two, three and even four years requesting sources. Four years seems more than long enough to wait for sources. Calvin Grant (talk) 09:32, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Didn't you know that "Episodes serve as references to themselves"? remove ones that have no source/reference section in them. I'll revert back all the articles that infact do have sources. -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 09:36, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Episodes serve as references for themselves for establishing what happens within the episode. Describing the plot, listing guest stars, information like that. The episodes do not establish their own notability. For an individual episode to be notable there need to be independent reliable sources that discuss the specific episodes. That doesn't mean blogs like TV.com, it doesn't mean IMDB that anyone can contribute to and it doesn't mean TV by the numbers ratings listings. If you can provide such sources for any episode then I encourage you to add them to the articles. Without them the articles should not and cannot stand alone. Calvin Grant (talk) 09:41, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

No, actually references for the reception of the episode + the fact many of those episodes you pointed out just happen to be in the final season of the show, less than four years ago, as you state. -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 09:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

And before you do continue removing content from later seasons that do infact have sources, I request there to be consensus on the matter, and if the result is "delete" you may proceed, by all means. -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 09:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Um, if you paid attention instead of just undoing everything, you would see that many of the articles have been requesting reliable sources since January 2007, well over 4 years ago. I did not say that EVERY episode has been without sources for 4 years. A source that establishes nothing beyond "this episode aired and this many people watched it" does not establish the notability of the episode. Every episode that ever aired on television has ratings information; the existence of that information doesn't make every episode that ever aired on television independently notable. So, again, please do not undo redirects unless you can provide independent sources for the specific episode. If they don't have sources available like for example Blackmail (Law & Order) or Dignity (Law & Order) or Zebras (Law & Order: Special Victims Unit) then stop restoring them. I'm not interested in deleting information and redirects are not deletion. The information remains, awaiting reliable sources. Which I again suggest you find before undoing the redirects. Calvin Grant (talk) 09:52, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Well I suggest that you mention this with consensus. You don't delete or redirect something without going to the article talk page, and discussing it with other editors. Thank You -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 09:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Well I suggest that you have no idea what you're talking about. And I suggest that you stop wasting your time undoing legitimate editorial actions and spend it on finding sources instead. Calvin Grant (talk) 09:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)