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July 20

Use magazine's old name?

For the album pages I'm creating I include album reviews from Billboard magazine that sometimes go back as far as the 1950s. Many years ago the magazine had a couple of variations on its current name. In 1961 and 1962 it was called Billboard Music Week, and before that it used its original title, The Billboard. Since I'm linking one of these names of the magazine in my article to the article for the magazine itself, it seemed like using the exact name that was used at the time of the album review would be acceptable, but I've started wondering if there is a standard for this kind of situation that I'm not aware of. Does anyone know of guidelines that exist for this? Thanks! Danaphile (talk) 00:02, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I suggest you use a piped link from whatever the name was at the time, to the current article - e.g. ''[[Billboard (magazine)|The Billboard]]'' == The Billboard.

You should only wiki-link to a term once, within a section (WP:REPEATLINK). See also Wikipedia:Manual of Style (linking).  Chzz  ►  00:48, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

(e/c) I think using the actual title the magazine went by at the time that the source material was written is correct. I don't know of any policy or guideline that directly addresses the issue, but many citation and sourcing polices and guidelines can be distilled to say that we should be precise in our sourcing, providing good enough attribution as to exactly what source was used, such that someone who wants to verify the information themselves can find the source. Providing the exact name of the magazine at the time the source material was published should help in locating the source material for that person, and so it seems the right path. (additional text removed as redundant).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:55, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Changing a wiki entry

I found something on an entry about someone that includes some "colorful" personal opinions. I do not know how to change/delete entries but wanted to let someone know about it if there is anyone out there more comfortable changing info than I am. I did not read the whole article on her so there may be other entries like this.I found this under personal life and education. While I am no fan of Mr. Murdoch and the news happening right now I think its wrong to post things like that no matter how much you dislike someone etc.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendi_Deng ] (Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.231.198.224 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 20 July 2011

It looks like another user reverted that edit. For future reference, you can edit an un-protected article by clicking "Edit" on the top-right portion of the article. From there, you can undo another user's edit. For editing a protected article, you will have to register an account. You can find more information on registering here and more information on protected articles here. I hope I answered your question. -- Luke ^Talk 00:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I removed part of your first message, because describing any person in the terms you used is not appropriate (even if quoting); please review WP:NPA and WP:BLP.

Anyone is welcome to edit the article, in accordance with policies regarding living people, verifiability, and so forth. You click 'edit' and change stuff; it's quite easy. Your opinion of the article (and any potential bias) can be discussed on the article discussion page(s) - ie, Talk:Wendi Deng, Talk:Rupert Murdoch, and so forth but please read WP:SOAPBOX.  Chzz  ►  00:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

prescient

I could not find a definition for prescient, can anybody help me with this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.133.118.68 (talk) 09:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

You might try consulting Wiktionary, which defines it at WIKT:prescient. —teb728 t c 09:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Ricci tensor

Why Ricci tensor is taken as Negative? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.211.84.235 (talk) 09:45, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Mathematics reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:12, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Facebook integration

When i searched for FAcebook application ICON, after reading an interested topic, I couldn't find.. Please integrate WIKI with facebook.. Pls . Thanks. Gopal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.203.169.123 (talk) 10:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry but Facebook is a commercial website and Wikipedia can not promote anything. Notice one thing strange about this site? Yep. No ads. What's wrong with pasting a link into your status update? Please also see what Wikipedia is not.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 10:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

nanded airport

The elevation AMSL of the Nanded Airport is given as 2300mtr/7545ft,but actually its the length of the runway.The actual elevation AMSL of Nanded Airport is 373.995mtr/1226.7ft.

Subhankar Behera Civil Engineer Nanded Airport Pvt Ltd Nanded Phn-+91-9325009708 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.242.0.203 (talk) 10:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Corrected, but this is "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can edit", so you could have just hit the edit button at the top of the page, and changed the elevation figures to the correct values. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Orchestra JB

Dears sirs,

I am a contributor to wiki, and one particular page, somebody keeps removing info on me in an article and do not know why!

I was instrumental in making of his album as well as co writing tracks and performing harmonica and backing vocals. I also was the one who put the article up in the first place.

How can I stop somebody from removing information which is not only relevant, but important to the article?

thanks

BB

torro20092009**** — Preceding unsigned comment added by Torro20092009 (talk • contribs) 11:17, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Orchestra JB (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Wikipedia articles should only contain material that has already been published in reliable sources. Any editor may remove unsourced material, and then that material should not be re-introduced without a source. See WP:BURDEN.

And, since you reveal here that you are writing about yourself, you should also read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:COI before editing the article again. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:29, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Blocked from editing own talk page

I noticed a user who has been blocked for promotion/spamming (see their talk page). The notice they were given says that they can add {{unblock}} below the notice, but I noticed that the block log entry on their contributions page says "account creation blocked, cannot edit own talk page". Am I missing something? —Akrabbim^talk 12:20, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Nope, there is a contradiction. This could be because the option to block talk page access was not intentional (this blocking parameter is placed by checking or unchecking a box which can be toggled on or off by accident) or it could have been intentional based on the edits, but the block notice not tailored as an oversight. I noticed that you didn't leave a message for the blocking admin, so I alerted them to this post.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:47, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. Talkpage was intentionally disabled (was rused multiple times by that user as part of the spam pattern). I merely used the default block template (twinkle doesn't appear to have a flag for the notalk=yes option) and didn't bother to look back to customize given that it seemed like a hopeless case. DMacks (talk) 12:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Article Vandalism- Marash / Kahramanmaraş

Kahramanmaraş (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

There are a number of authors who are giving a culturally biased and skewed perspective towards the history of this region. On a factual basis some edits were made to the page with links to other Wikipedia articles as proof to support the historical timeline. Because of a cultural conflict any mention of the original ancestry has been removed by nationalists. Please review this article and draw your own conclusion to what is acceptable. Otherwise there will be a one-sided totalitarian overview of the regions history as told in retrospect, rather than through historical fact.

Kind Regards, The Oxford-Harvard Affiliate — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Oxford-Harvard Affiliate (talk • contribs) 12:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry but Wikipedia can not be used to cite other Wikipedia articles. Please provide a reliable source for your edits. Especially as they are controversial.

The Hittite origin was also unsourced. I have removed both. Do not restore unless you can provide reliable sources to back it up. Your username may also be in violation of Wikipedia's Username policy.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 14:05, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Possible inaccuracy in article

• HMS Amazon (1799) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• HMS Belle Poule (1806) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• File:HMS Amazon (1799) pursuing possible Belle Poule.jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I have identified a possible inaccuracy of fact in an article, which I want to flag-up. I can't edit it because I don't know what it should be - all I can say is that I don't think it is correct as stated and hope that a more knowledgeable person can investigate. How do I do that? If I describe the specific issue it might make my question clearer: There is an image 'HMS Amazon (1799) pursuing possible Belle Poule.jpg' which is used in articles 'HMS Amazon (1799)' and 'HMS Belle Poule (1806)' (and maybe others). The title and captions do indeed indicate some doubt about the Belle Poule being a subject in the image but I think the doubt is stronger than that. From the articles (above), both ships were frigates of similar size ca. 38/40 gun, yet only the left-hand vessel, presumably Amazon in pursuit, resembles a frigate - the right-hand vessel, although close inspection indicates three masts, looks much smaller, perhaps a ship-rigged sloop. If so, either the tentative identification of Belle Poule is wrong, or more seriously, the article on that ship is. So, how do I bring this to the attention of that vast body of knowledgeable people out there who might otherwise not happen upon it themselves but who might be interested in resolving the matter? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.187.140 (talk) 12:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I would head directly over to Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships and post about this at the project's talk page. I will alert them to your post here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:51, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

The caption is as used by the holders of the image, the National Maritime Museum - 'The Frigate Amazon pursuing an unamed French ship (possibly the Belle Poule)' [1]. The archivists there are experts in their field, and acknowledge that this is only a tentative identification. Unfortunately we don't know what they base this on, and can't know what Pocock intended his drawing to represent, as it looks like this is just a rough preparatory sketch. Possibly he did not know Belle Poule's design when he drew it. The article on Belle Poule is right about her design, the captions on both articles clearly state the NMM's line, that this may only possibly be Belle Poule. I don't think we can embark on a critical interpretation of the image without engaging in original research. I personally don't think there is anything that needs to be changed. Benea (talk) 13:05, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Not an expert, but in my opinion it's perspective. It is merely a drawing after all. A date can also be seen clearly at the bottom - 13 March 1806. The date of the capture of Belle Poule.

The only other ships (beside the frigates HMS Amazon and Belle Poule) directly involved in the Action of 13 March 1806, were the much larger ships-of-the-line HMS London and the French Marengo (the only other French vessel in the engagement). HMS Repulse and HMS Ramilles (also ships-of-the-line) joined later but only against Marengo. The Amazon was the one pursuing Belle Poule. Seeing that all other ships are even unlikelier to be the one depicted in the drawing, the possibility of it being the Belle Poule is actually quite strong.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 13:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I'd just like to say that the original IP poster asked the question in a very good way and while it appears that it would be original research, the willingness to do the level of research prior to asking the question, I think would make him a good wikipedian. I hope he chooses to register an account and stay.Naraht (talk) 13:55, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Seconded! Good point.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:09, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Bullet - Incorrect Rendering to PDF and PediaPress

The wiki page "Bullet" when compiled in Print/Export under Book Creator does not render correctly. The page renders as one big paragraph. Normal paragraph, headings, pictures etc do not display. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmills56 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I can confirm this. The rendered PDF contains no pictures and is one continuous paragraph. I suggest you report this error to the Help:Books/Feedback. They also have a live chat if you're interested.

The Printable version works fine for me, however. On a side note, I have also removed a duplicate paragraph in the article.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 14:36, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

With the assistance of PediaPress I validated that the "Bullet" rendered correctly in their program. PediaPress provided the following, "You can check the layout of the book with the preview function on the pediapress.com website. If there is a problem rendering the articles, it will probably show in the preview. However, the preview shows only the first articles (~25 pages) of your book; so you should put the article in the front of your book - at least for this test. If everything looks fine, you can rearrange the articles in the way you please." So the problem is only in the PDF rendering. GatorJim (talk) 17:29, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

A question

Hello,

I am researching on how to create a new article on Wikipedia. I saw that the "How to" page said that I should not create a page about my business. I am wondering why is this.

I do not need to create a page for marketing purposes.

It there any way that I can create it?

If you have any questions, I would be happy to answer them.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apachepower (talk • contribs) 14:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Editing with a conflict of interest is strongly discouraged - it is very hard to be neutral.

If the company meets the notability guidelines, someone else will, eventually, create it.

However, whilst we don't recommend it, it is not totally forbidden. If you do decide to go ahead;

• a) It would be best to edit some other articles first, to get used to Wikipedia
• b) Please read Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations
• c) It is possible to create a non-live draft, and get it checked - by using the Wizard and choosing "create submission for review" - so that another person will check it.  Chzz  ►  14:56, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

M2 Browning - Incorrect Rendering to PDF and PediaPress

The wiki page "M2 Browning" when compiled in Print/Export under Book Creator does not render correctly. The page renders as one big paragraph. Normal paragraph, headings, pictures etc do not display — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmills56 (talk • contribs) 14:41, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Please see the response to your first question above. This seems to be a problem with the PDF export in general.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 14:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

With the assistance of PediaPress I validated that the "Bullet" rendered correctly in their program. PediaPress provided the following, "You can check the layout of the book with the preview function on the pediapress.com website. If there is a problem rendering the articles, it will probably show in the preview. However, the preview shows only the first articles (~25 pages) of your book; so you should put the article in the front of your book - at least for this test. If everything looks fine, you can rearrange the articles in the way you please." So the problem is only in the PDF rendering. GatorJim (talk) 17:31, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Pre-upload before posting?

I have a question regarding posting to Wikipedia. Is there any way to pre upload and save the article it as a draft before officially posting to Wikipedia?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.105.244.68 (talk) 17:54, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

One of the many benefits of creating an account is that you can create a user subpage, where you can work on an article until it is ready to publish. —teb728 t c 18:24, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) As TEB728 says, you can only create user subpages, when you have an account. However, if you have an idea for an article and do not wish to create an account, you can submit your idea at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Disable Moblie Wikipedia

I am using wikipedia on my blackberry and clicked "Disable mobile site permanently". Well, I am not happy with the other version. How do I enable mobile wikipedia? Thank you for your help. James — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.72.158.28 (talk) 18:42, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Enable mobile version. —teb728 t c 18:49, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Wendi Deng - Birthdate of last child?? It says 2005 for Chloe, but in Ruperts wiki page it says 17 July 2003  ???... I think Ruperts wiki page is correct (i.e., it should be 2003)

Wendi Deng Birthdate of last child??

It says 2005 for Chloe, but in Ruperts wiki page it says 17 July 2003  ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.213.191 (talk) 08:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC) I think Ruperts wiki page is correct (i.e., it should be 2003, not 2005); see a quote from a 2005 article: "... Married his third wife, Wendi Deng, in 1999, with whom he has two children, Grace, four, and Chloe, two... " from [1]</ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.184.71 (talk) 18:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.184.71 (talk)

I agree; I've replied at Talk:Wendi Deng. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:30, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

quraan surah

Hi , i have noticed that in the islam section , mor enotably the quraan section there are a few chapters of the quraan that you are able to read when you click on the arabic pdf and also allows you to save it . Unfortunetly i noticed that not all the chapters of the quraan are on the pdf format , is it possible to have all the chapters in this format .

you can contact me via email : [Redacted]

thanks sooo much for taking the time to read this query — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.37.181.82 (talk) 19:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Which article are you referring to? We haven't an article called "quraan surah", but Quran has links to articles on all the individual suras. There is no particular reason why Wikipedia articles should link to the full text of the chapters: they may do so, but Wikipedia is not a collection of links. --ColinFine (talk) 22:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Warning message at top of post

How do I get rid of a dead end warning message at the top of an article I created? It says

"This article needs more links to other articles to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. You can help improve this article by adding links that are relevant to the context within the existing text."

I have added more links but the message is still there. The page is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappy_McGarr

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.74.43.110 (talk) 19:50, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

 Done Removing this [2] template at the top of the article in the edit screen but, only after the mentioning requirements are meet. Mlpearc powwow 19:55, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

However, the article still reads like a promotional cv (and I have tagged it for deletion as such), and is an orphan with no qualifying incoming links. – ukexpat (talk) 20:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

July 21

Need help with misc questions

• Need help with putting on pictures non the top right of the page (please try to dumb it down!)
• Does a picture have to be in PGA. Form to post it on wikipedia?
• How to make one of those charts (mostly in police and fire departments articles on the top right hand corner under the picture that explains the year established,No. Of apparatus/vehicles, How many workers,EMS level,chief,stations ect. Look in the Boston fire department article and you should see what I am talking about.

Thank you for looking at my question Sincerely, 2000navy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.25.213 (talk) 00:03, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello! Much of the work at the top right of many pages is done through templates. The two templates to which you are referring are Template:Infobox fire department and Template:Infobox law enforcement agency. You can find these and any of the other thousands of templates on wikipedia by clicking on the "Help" link on the side of any page and perform a search with the "Template" box checked. For example, if you type in "fire department" with the template button pressed, the first entry that pops up is the template to which I just referred you.

I can't stress enough the value in reading Help:Template for someone asking your quesrtions. Happy editing, hajatvrc with WikiLove @ 00:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, to answer your question about the accepted formats of images, please read Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Format. Happy editing, hajatvrc with WikiLove @ 00:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Hoax on Bejeweled Twist

Grrrrrrr..... Who wrote Bejeweled Twist is designed (wrongly) by George Fan and Laura Shigihara? 125.235.109.177 (talk) 02:35, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion regarding Bejeweled Twist. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). BurtAlert (talk) 02:40, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

MystBot keeps removing zh: link from new article

Left-behind children in China is a new article in which I've tried to add a link to zh:留守儿童.[3][4][5] User:MystBot keeps removing the link.[6][7][8] User talk:Myst doesn't seem to be maintained and my French isn't good enough to chime in at fr:Discussion utilisateur:Myst. I gather from {{Bots}} that I could exclude the bot, but I'd rather understand the problem. What's going on here? Thanks, Melchoir (talk) 03:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

For some reason, the interwiki script doesn't think that zh:留守儿童 exists, which is why it is trying to remove it. See the bot output below. (From my interwiki bot, Avicbot)

Bot's thinking

Avicennasis@Mil-Euclid $
 python interwiki.py -lang:en "Left-behind children in China"
Getting 1 pages from wikipedia:en...
[[Left-behind children in China]]: [[en:Left-behind children in China]] gives new interwiki [[zh:留守兒童]]
Getting 1 pages from wikipedia:zh...
NOTE: [[zh:留守兒童]] does not exist. Skipping.
======Post-processing [[en:Left-behind children in China]]======
Updating links on page [[en:Left-behind children in China]].
Changes to be made: robot Removing: [[zh:留守兒童]]
- [[zh:留守兒童]]

ERROR: Found incorrect link to zh in [[en:Left-behind children in China]]

However, after I did this edit, (using the copy-pasted title from ZhWp,) and re-ran the page, it found it to be correct, left the link in place, and added the EnWp link to the ZhWp article. Presumably, all updated interwiki bots should also leave the link alone.

Also, as a side note, you don't have to speak certain language on talk pages of different Wikipedias. I've done a lot of multi-lingual edits, and no one has ever complained to me about leaving a note in English for a user outside EnWp. :-) ^Avic_ennasis @ 06:29, 19 Tamuz 5771 / 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I couldn't have hoped for a better response! Thanks! Melchoir (talk) 06:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Confusing wikitext

I wanted to make a minor change to this template, but the wikitext seems totally incomprehensible. Where would I find the actual text displayed in the template? I'm not a new editor - I'm surprised I've found myself here. Quinxorin (talk) 04:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

The template appears to be at {{Usurpation requested}}. I'm not exactly sure what the purpose of {{Usurpr}} is. Ryan Vesey contribs 04:23, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

The only difference is that {{Usurpr}} automatically appends your signature. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Problem with the reference tags

I have got some problems with the reference tags at Michael Pearl. Could somebody help me?--HannahLiberty (talk) 07:40, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I've matched the <ref> and </ref> tags. I'll leave you to tidy up the rest of it. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:49, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you.--HannahLiberty (talk) 07:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

You may want to look at WP:REF. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:53, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Or better WP:REFB. Regards.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫_{Share–a–Power}^{[citation needed]} 10:35, 21 July 2011 (UTC)--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫_{Share–a–Power}^{[citation needed]} 10:35, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Question again: Notability

I have written an article about Lydia Schatz, which has been suggested for speedy deletion, because she is only notable as a victim. This is true. On the other hand her death received a lot of media attention. Would Death of Lydia Schatz be an article that could be notable? How could I change this articles name? --HannahLiberty (talk) 08:46, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, articles about crimes should usually be about the event, not the person, but this depends on the focus of the reliable sources. See WP:CRIME and WP:SINGLEEVENT for more information. After moving, please rewrite the article to focus on the event, make sure you maintain absolute neutrality, take note of due and undue weight, and provide as much reliable sources as you can. Nevertheless, I believe that the nomination for speedy deletion is incorrect. -- Obsidi♠n Soul 09:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Someone has made a redirect from Lydia Schatz to Death of Lydia Schatz (which looks like it has only 1 reliable source, so needs more). -- Jeandré, 2011-07-21t09:16z

The child's name is not mentioned in the CBS article. It comes from the whynot site which doesn't seem to be a reliable source. You should add a verifiable, reliable, published, 3rd party source for the girl's name, or the article should be deleted. -- Jeandré, 2011-07-21t09:27z, -- Jeandré, 2011-07-21t09:31z

Even a cursory google search verifies the name. I am adding additional sources.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 10:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Google's crawling of secure.wikimedia.org.

Searching the English Wikipedia with google for "foo" <http://www.google.com/#q=site:en.wikipedia.org+foo> gives 15 200 results, but doing the same search on the secure site <http://www.google.com/#q=site:secure.wikimedia.org+foo> gives only 1 hit. I expected the latter to give many more since it would be for all the languages, and that I'd have to include a "inurl:/en/" like: <http://www.google.com/#q=site%3Asecure.wikimedia.org%20inurl%3A%2Fen%2F%20foo>.

Turns out that <https://secure.wikimedia.org/robots.txt> requests no crawling. Anyone know why, and why there is still 1 hit (searching for anything seems to show only 1 hit). -- Jeandré, 2011-07-21t09:16z

If the search engines indexed the secure site as well as the ordinary site, wouldn't that cause everything to be listed twice in the search results? But that's just a guess - you may get a better answer if you ask at Village pump (technical). -- John of Reading (talk) 09:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I put it there (I felt HD was the wrong place but couldn't think of the right place) and your possible answer. Thanks.

Future comments at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Google's crawling of secure.wikimedia.org. please. -- Jeandré, 2011-07-21t14:26z

Template_talk:Infobox_television#creator

The creator parameter at {{Infobox television}} is not working. I have dropped a note at Template_talk:Infobox_television#creator, that has gone unanswered. Can someone here look at the code and see what is going on.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 10:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Replied at Template_talk:Infobox_television#creator -- John of Reading (talk) 10:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. It was a coding mistake. I replied there.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:05, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Feedback on a template

Is there a place where I can receive community feedback on a template I have created, something like WP:RFF but for templates? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:33, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm assuming you mean Template:Stock exchanges in Germany. I recommend asking in the WikiProjects the template would fall under. Probably WP:WikiProject Finance and WP:WikiProject Business. The template looks pretty straightforward though.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 10:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's the template in question. I will post at the talk page of these WikiProjects. Thanks Obsidian. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Speedy Watchlist

hello,

I need a tool which watchlists every article in a category. For example Category:Blues musicians, I want to watchlist every article listed in this category and/or in its subcats.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫_{Share–a–Power}^{[citation needed]} 11:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Install AWB. Using "Source: Category (recursive user defined level", choose how many levels deep into the category structure you want to go. Hit "make list". When finished, right-click on the list and "save list" to your computer. Then on your watchlist click "edit raw watchlist", then copy and paste the content of that saved list. Bencherlite^Talk 11:20, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

See also Help:Related changes. I think this question is becoming FAQish. DMacks (talk) 11:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much!--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫_{Share–a–Power}^{[citation needed]} 12:03, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Using interactive Flash animations to illustrate articles

Hi! Is it possible to use interactive flash illustrations to illustrate some articles? In many cases it would be so much better than a static image or an animated gif. I'd be happy to develop a few, already have some ideas. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.238.223.91 (talk) 11:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer. Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not support Flash and my understanding from the following two discussion is that it will not, at least any time soon: 1 2. But there's lots of stuff that needs doing. Why not sign up for an account and then lend your skills in other areas?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:49, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

There *are* animated images used that are used on Wikipedia. See Category:Featured animations for some of the best. I have *no* idea what software is used to produce them, but if you go to individual images, they should include who uploaded them and probably what software is used..

Picture he

SomervilleNew.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.25.213 (talk) 13:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a question about a specific file or image? I was unable to find a file of that name here on Wikipedia or at Commons. Can you provide a link to the url of the file like this [http://www.wherethefileislocated.com]? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

A Google search turned up [9]. Unfortunately I cannot see deleted pages, as I am not an admin and thus cannot see what the image in question was. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

The entire content of the article was "[[File:Example.jpg]]SomervilleNew.jpg|thumb|Somerville Fire Department patch"--Jac16888 ^Talk 14:04, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

WHERE IS "invisible hand" mentioned?

In the Book, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith, I read everywhere on the Internet that economists, authors, and writers reference to Adam Smith's book about his observations about the economy and the "invisible hand", but WHERE IN THE BOOK IS THIS MENTIONED? all the economists, authors, and writers reference to the "invisible hand" mentioned by Adam Smith, BUT WHERE IS IT IN THE BOOK, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations?

ANY HELP FROM ANYONE?.....my email: (Redacted) HISMERCYTOME (talk) 14:10, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Page 240 of the Capstone Classics edition, ISBN 9780857080776. Hope that helps. Yunshui (talk) 14:15, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Gio-Goi pronounciation

Hello,

I'm writing from Gio-Goi Ltd and I'd like to report a mistake in the pronounciation present in the article. The correct pronounciation is /giːoʊ ɡɔɪ/, not /dʒiːoʊ ɡɔɪ/ as written. Can you please fix it? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ERee (talk • contribs) 14:11, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Gio-Goi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I have edited the article. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:27, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Suppression of the External Link icon?

Resolved

On a page like List of United States Supreme Court cases, volume 127, the entries in the Citation column link externally to places like http://openjurist.org/127/us/1 , However, they don't have the "arrow going up and right out of the square" icon indicating an external link. I appreciate that this comes out of the SCOTUSRow template, but I don't see anything in the template that would particularly do that. Any ideas on how to make an external link that *looks* like an internal link the way that this does?

I think this comes from the parent template {{SCOTUSTable}}, which contains the class "plainlinks". I can't work out where on Wikipedia it's documented, but this Mediawiki page sort of explains it. --Kateshortforbob _talk 14:35, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the start in finding info after further research, for less table-ish usage, a single entry can be done that way with Template:Plain link .

Email

Hello Everyone!

I can not fully setting up, the account that I created. I can not finish in authenticate the email I registered in the account, and I can not have the full benefits.

Still, I have followed all the steps listed in the text of 'my preferences', no email has arrived.

How I can authenticate the email address, then?

Your e-mail address is not yet authenticated. No e-mail will be sent for any of the following features.

Thanks for your time. Fernando. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muses' house (talk • contribs) 14:27, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Details of the e-mail confirmation process are at this Wikimedia address. Have you been through those steps, and have you received a confirmation e-mail and replied to it? - David Biddulph (talk) 14:40, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

(e/c)

Sometimes the email ends up in the spam/junk mail folder of your email account, so you may need to check there if you haven't done so already. Has it been a long time since you requested the confirmation email? I've sometimes had to wait several hours (and once, a day) to receive a confirmation email - it may just be delayed. The main benefit of having your email confirmed on Wikipedia is that you will be able to recover your account if you forget your password; you do not need to have your email authenticated in order to edit articles. --Kateshortforbob _talk 14:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Albert Pyun Article - Please Cease and Desist

Albert Pyun (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

It has been brought to my attention that article purporting to be about me exists on your site. Beyond the fact that it has erroneous and libelous information that is unverified and slanted by those who have hijacked the page. The page is controlled by those from Guam or live in Guam in an attempt to smear me because they are trying to discredit my upcoming testimony on Guam that will lead to criminal charges of these individuals . I will be asking my attorney to look into your site to seek damages incurring to my reputation by the posting of libel and slander.

best, Albert Pyun <email redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.142.195.13 (talk) 15:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

The article is not controlled by any one group of people. In any case, if it really is that bad, we'll clean it up on our own. We have a strict policy against what you described if it's in a living person's article, like that on you.Jasper Deng (talk) 15:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

And you have been reported for making legal threats. – ukexpat (talk) 16:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

If you actually knew the policy you cited, you would have noticed that its section What is not a legal threat makes note of WP:Libel:

Wikipedia's policy on defamation is to immediately delete libelous material when it has been identified. If you believe that you are the subject of a libelous statement on Wikipedia, please contact the information team at info-en@wikimedia.org.

Rather than "reporting" a newbie with a concern, you should have pointed him to WP:Libel and the the information team's email address. Know the policies you're citing, dear "established editor", or please don't cite them. --213.196.193.4 (talk) 17:46, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I took a look at the article in question. In the two paragraphs discussing the situation on Guam, *every* sentence has a reference, and the references appeared to be in a well cited form. While I did fix one missing close quote, without diving into each reference, I can't find anything else.Naraht (talk) 16:33, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually, Jasper, there is an SPA editor who has been adding negative info to that article. User:Readyforanderson says on their user page "Ready for the ANDERSON AIR FORCE BASE! That's me". Anderson Air Force Base just happens to be in - wait for it - Guam. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:38, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I think that was excessive weight on the item, and contained too many unanswered assertions from one side of the story. I just trimmed it _way_ down. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:39, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

For whatever it's worth, there is essentially a longstanding slow burn edit war on Mr. Pyun's page between those who love him and those who hate him. I've taken a stab at cleaning up the article a wee bit (a lot of it is out of my scope) in the past but it continues to draw SPAs on both ends of the spectrum. Really it's ajust a problem child of an article. I, for one, would appreciate some more experienced eyeballs on it. At this point, I pretty much just watch it for the really, really, awkward stuff. Millahnna (talk) 09:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Tense of "to star" in film articles

I've now seen a couple of articles where, like in Cinema Verite, the lead is set in present tense ("is a film", "follows a fictionalized account of [...] "), with the exception of "to star" ("the film starred").

I'm not a native speaker, so I'm not sure whether this may actually be correct. Is the "starring" of actors something related to the release of a film in a temporary way? In other words, is the use of the past tense for "starred" in those leads correct? --213.196.193.4 (talk) 17:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Tenses should be consistent where appropriate. I'll take a look when I have a moment. – ukexpat (talk) 18:36, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

That's a good question. I probably wouldn't have noticed the seeming clash of the tenses between the first and second sentences of the lead in Cinema Verite. Which is to say I don't think the error, if one exists, is especially glaring. We could phrase those sentences in a number of ways. I suppose one could rationalize the current phrasing by saying that as long as the film exists, it will always be a film of 2011, so one could say in the future "it is a film of 2011" but "it was a film created in 2011" would be just as correct in the future. "Starring" might be more analogous to "performing" as in something an actor can only do at the time when the film is made, although one could still speak of an actor "starring" in an old film. The reader would have to understand that the film captures and preserves the actor performing the act of starring in the film, so we might refer to that preserved action itself in the present tense, even after the actor is long dead. I.e., we might view the film as a window into the past, bringing a piece of it into the present. One could say "Fred Astaire dances with Ginger Rogers in Flying Down to Rio", or "danced with" would also be acceptable. The former refers to what we see by viewing the film again, and the latter implies the historical action that took place at the time of filming, which can never actually happen again. --Teratornis (talk) 18:46, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

PDF for Book Creator always blank

Basically the PDF seems to generate/render ok 1% 2% etc. through 100% then I get a blank page.

I then had to make an ODT file which came out ok but not as nicely formatted as a PDF would.

I have a 50 page book I really want to print as PDF... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlesmarkcarroll (talk • contribs) 18:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

There seems to be some problems with the PDF renderer currently. See if the above responses to a similar problem helps you.

Otherwise, you can report this to Help:Books/Feedback. You can also chat real-time with the developers by clicking this link.

Another workaround might be to render a printable version, copy-paste it to a text editing software (like Windows Word), make sure to choose the keep formatting of source options, and simply export as a PDF.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 18:23, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

List of Nitrome Limited games

Why is there a quote mark (") right before the table at List of Nitrome Limited games#Main games? 199.66.146.123 (talk) 19:10, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
(And could someone please fix it? :) 199.66.146.123 (talk) 19:11, 21 July 2011 (UTC))

 Done Happy editing, hajatvrc with WikiLove @ 19:21, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! 199.66.146.123 (talk) 19:24, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Creating Alternate Pages for Major Cities

The White House Initiative on Education Excellence for Hispanics would like to create new wiki pages (community profiles) for the following cities:

Phoenix, AZ/ Tucson, AZ/ Inland Empire, CA (Riverside, San Bernardino)/ Long Beach, CA/ Santa Ana, CA/ Miami-Dade County, FL/ Albuquerque, NM/ Las Cruces, NM/ Las Vegas, NV/ Providence, RI/ Rio Grande Valley, TX (Brownsville)/ San Antonio, TX/ Fresno/Merced or Salinas, CA/ Los Angeles, CA/ Sacramento, CA/ San Diego, CA/ San Francisco, CA/ San Jose, CA/ Denver, CO/ Bridgeport, CT/ Hartford, CT/ Orlando, FL/ Chicago, IL/ Kansas City, KS/ New York, NY/ Philadelphia, PA/ Austin, TX/ Dallas, TX/ El Paso, TX/ Houston, TX/ Laredo, TX/

Is it possible to create, for example, a new wiki page for San Antonio with the following content list:

1. Number of districts and universities
2. Data and demographics
3. Sectors Impacting education
3.1. Key players
3.2.Non-profit
3.3.Local government
3.4.Federal government
3.5.Philanthropic
3.6.Grassroots
3.7.Private/business
4. Trend analysis
5. Federal Grants

More specifically, is it possible to create this new page with the New Page Header "San Antonio (Hispanic Community Profile)" or some other variation?

We have created these community profiles and want to put them on the web (they're about 17 pages as a PDF). Ideally, we want to provide direct links from our page to these new pages. Is this possible? We're also open to other suggestions. HispanicEd (talk) 22:01, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't work that way. We would welcome some additional, well-referenced information to the articles on these cities. However, creating an entirely new set of encyclopedia articles just to present an alternate viewpoint isn't generally allowed at Wikipedia. However, you can create your own website running the Mediawiki software and set this up yourself; you can also use the service Wikia which greatly simplifies the process of creating your own Wiki. Considering what your goal is, I think your best option is to set up your own independent Wiki using one of those two options. Information on using Mediawiki can be found at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki and information on using Wikia can be found at http://www.wikia.com/Wikia. Good luck! --Jayron32 22:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Another advantage of creating your own site is that you could control who was allowed to edit it. On Wikipedia, conversely, anyone can edit any article. Do you even want collaborative editing of your articles; I wonder if you really want a wiki at all. —teb728 t c 23:15, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, as TEB728 points out, the whole point of Wiki websites is the use of collaboration to build content. If you've just got a bunch of city profiles you want to publish on the web, there are LOTS of other ways to do it, many much simpler than using a Wiki, which has a LOT of excess functionality it doesn't sound like you may need, if all of these pages already exist as PDFs. There are PDF-to-HTML converters, and you could just publish the information using a standard, non-Wiki website. --Jayron32 23:21, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikimedia has helped government before. See Intellipedia. Rmhermen (talk) 23:27, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Just for your information: What Rmhermen says is absolutely false. Intellipedia is NOT run by the Wikimedia Foundation. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 23:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Probably he meant MediaWiki. —teb728 t c 23:40, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Just as an aside for the new people, the terms can get confusing, so here they are:

• A wiki is a type of website that allows people to use the web for collaborative editing of documents. Wikipedia did not invent the term or the concept, and it was not the first wiki. It happens to currently be the highest profile wiki in the world, but that would be like assuming that the Disney Corporation somehow invented the concept of animation simply because it makes a lot of well known movies. Wikipedia:Don't abbreviate Wikipedia as Wiki has more info.
• Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia built on the wiki model. Despite its high profile, it is still just a specific type of reference work, that being an encyclopedia and there are lots of things that Wikipedia isn't, though its high profile leads people to assume that it is more than it is. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.
• The Wikimedia Foundation (note the "m") is (sometimes called just "Wikimedia" or just "The Foundation") is the umbrella organization that manages all of the various Wikipedias in existance (there are several hundred, each for different languages) as well as other reference works like Wiktionary, Wikinews, Wikisource, etc. and it also manages a file repository known as "Wikimedia Commons" (usually just called "Commons"). Decisions regarding an individual Wikipedia are managed almost completely "in house" at the Wikipedia itself, by the volunteers who edit it. Decisions regarding the entire enterprise of free knowledge managed by Wikimedia are handled at the Foundation level.
• MediaWiki is the specific brand of wiki-software that Wikipedia and other Wikimedia sites are run on. It is not the only wiki software, indeed Wikipedia itself hasn't always used it. It was developed by the Wikimedia Foundation, and is availible under free liscence, so that anyone who complies with the license can use it free-of-charge (it is both "free as in speech" and also "free as in beer"). While all Foundation websites use MediaWiki, there are also lots of unrelated websites that use it too.
• Wikia is a commercial service for developing and hosting Wikis. Think of it as something like "Geocities" or "Tripod.com", but for wikis. It was founded by the same person who founded Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation, but it is run as a completely seperate entity (just like Steve Jobs founded both Apple and Pixar Animation, but ran them as seperate entities).

I think that should clear up any possible confusion. --Jayron32 00:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not here to further your noble cause. It has become increasingly evident that this role account is being used by the White House Initiative on Education Excellence for Hispanics, a government agency involved with "HISPANIC EDucation" to publicize and further its own agenda, rather than to improve Wikipedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Joe Feldman

I am adding Joe Feldman to the mixed martial arts category of jewish athletes and I have provided sources but there are errors. Can someone help me fix it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IvanTretiak (talk • contribs) 23:10, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello! I have fixed the problem. You simply had an extra <ref> where you didn't need one and forgot to close the citation with </ref> . For additional help in formatting citations in the future (so you can answer these questions yourself), please see Wikipedia:Citing_sources. Happy editing, hajatvrc with WikiLove @ 23:24, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I reverted your entry: Such lists contain only people who have Wikipedia article; the Joe Feldman article was deleted at AfD as non-notable. Sorry —teb728 t c 23:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

AfD deletion process step 3 not working for me

The third step in Template:AfD_in_3_steps fails to create a valid entry for me in the watchlist using the page names Baylonian astrology or Babylonian_astrology for the list entry and edit summary. Given that everything else is copy-pasted, what could be going wrong? Regards. Peter S Strempel | Talk 23:53, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

There's no reason why going though the AfD steps would automatically add something to your watchlist, unless you have prefs set to "Add pages I edit to my watchlist". Watchlisting stuff is up to the individual.  Chzz  ►  23:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Not in my watchlist, in the AfD watchlist/log/artciles for deletion log. Peter S Strempel | Talk 00:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm? Your nom of Hellenistic astrology (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2011 July 21. What is missing?  Chzz  ►  00:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

(I just formatted it a bit better with this edit)  Chzz  ►  00:25, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

The problem was at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Babylonian astrology. You actually did right in step III. Your error was missing {{subst:afd2 | pg=PageName | cat=Category | text=Why the page should be deleted}} in step II. Among other things, this creates a heading on the nomination page and that heading is needed to be included in the table of contents at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2011 July 21. I have fixed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:25, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you both for your time yesterday/today. Regards Peter S Strempel | Talk 06:14, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

You may want to consider enabling the Twinkle gadget in your preferences. It automates all of the Afd creation steps. – ukexpat (talk) 14:17, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

July 22

FEED

I'd just like to point out to helpdesk folk that, there's a whole bunch of people looking for help in;

• Wikipedia:Requests for feedback/2011 July 17Struck, as that day now has some feedback - thanks to Obsidian Soul
• Wikipedia:Requests for feedback/2011 July 18
• Wikipedia:Requests for feedback/2011 July 19
• Wikipedia:Requests for feedback/2011 July 20
• Wikipedia:Requests for feedback/2011 July 21

...etc. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  00:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Lowercase title

Is anyone else seeing the title of this article as uppercase? Rymatz (talk) 00:22, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Fixed in [10]. The infobox set DISPLAYTITLE and only the last DISPLAYTITLE is effective. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, good to know :) Rymatz (talk) 12:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Can't make a redirect

Hi. I'm having a problem making a redirect with the name Sam Gray. Apparently, it got deleted three times and now it can't be used. The problem is, there is a notable person with that name, baseball player Dolly Gray, and he is referred to a number of sites, Baseball-Reference.com among them, as Sam Gray. Baseball-Reference uses alternate forms of some player names, and I'm wanting to make redirects from those alternate names to the names that are used on Wikipedia. I'm not planning on moving pages unless there's a good reason to. Anyway, the point is this: How can I make a redirect on that page? -- Transaspie (talk) 01:06, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• I see that it's been taken care of...cool! Thanks! -- Transaspie (talk) 01:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Anytime. Since it was salted because of multiple creations (unrelated to this topic) I have protected the redirect.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Dolly Gray and Sam Gray (baseball) is the same person. They should be merged. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:46, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

HELP ~ Having trouble getting started?????

I am so confused, trying to build a page for Todd Gordon Actor & Male Super Model from the 1980s. You r missing one of the most famous super models in the world. & the first one ever to be on Cosmopolitan Magazine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bydarlenek (talk • contribs) 02:32, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Your first article. --Jayron32 02:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

And consider using the Article Wizard. – ukexpat (talk) 14:18, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

adding relevant links that appear to the computer as spam

My website/blog rebbeclips.com has videos of many different rabbis. I added links to the appropriate tag search to each wikipedia page corresponding to the video page on my site. i.e on the page for rabbi aron teitelbaum i posted a link to the page showing only his videos and on his brothers page i posted a link to the part of the site showing his videos. Now i got a warning that i might be spamming which i don't think i am since i am providing relevant information in the appropriate section of the page (external links) . Should i continue posting links? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.194.58.115 (talk) 04:25, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

No, per WP:ELNO #11. —teb728 t c 05:02, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• rebbeclips.com: Linksearch en - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • MER-C Cross-wiki • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced • COIBot-Local - COIBot-XWiki - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.org • Live link: http://www.rebbeclips.com

Accounts

216.194.58.115 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
216.194.58.38 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
216.194.57.60 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • blacklist hits • AbuseLog • what links to user page • COIBot • Spamcheck • count • block log • x-wiki • Edit filter search • WHOIS • RDNS • tracert • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
--Hu12 (talk) 13:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Created Books In Wikipedia Missing

I have created a book in wikipedia two times alreday and it is not there.... but i created it both the time in different systems but in the same id... now i hav created a new one. whats the point i\to creat a book if it goes missing every time i open wikipedia... so PLEASE HELP ME WITH THIS ISSUE.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victory0123456789 (talk • contribs) 06:04, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

According to your User Contributions list - Special:Contributions/Victory0123456789 - this post here is the only thing you have ever done on Wikipedia. Did you use a different username before this post? Wikipedia is an encyclopedia consisting of articles about notable subjects only, so I can't figure out what your phrase "created a book" means. Roger (talk) 06:57, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

According to Help:Books, you can only save a book if your user account is autoconfirmed (usually meaning at least four days old and 10 edits). So to use the "save book" feature you need to make nine more edits - perhaps by spending a few minutes on this list. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

(e/c) I assume, Roger, that the OP is talking about WP:BOOKS. If you remember the title, you could look it up here, or the search facility there will let you find a word. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes, that makes sense! Surely Wikibooks has it's own help page? Roger (talk) 07:30, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Gosh, this is confusing. We're talking about three different things.

• English Wikipedia has a feature that allows users to create a 'book' of Wikipedia articles, which can be downloaded as a PDF, or ordered in print format. See Help:Books
• There are a bunch of editors working to improve articles about books, called Wikipedia:WikiProject Books.
• There is a separate wiki, called "Wikibooks", which allows editors to create open-content textbooks. It's at http://en.wikibooks.org/

I suspect that Victory0123456789 is talking about the first one - so the response from John of Reading applies - ie, you can only save a book once your account is 4 days old, and you've made 10 edits (called autoconfirmed).  Chzz  ►  12:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I based my guess that the OP was confusing us with Wikibooks on the fact that his/her contributions showed no activity here on WP other than this question. Anyway the only way this could be solved is if the OP returns and gives us more details. Roger (talk) 13:07, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Can you

Can you have 2 adopters??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ethanate1 (talk • contribs) 07:46, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes.  Chzz  ►  12:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Struggling with page layout after adding a photo

I've added a photo to Velvet Sky (airline) but everywhere I've tried to place it messes up the overall layout of the page. Please help to find a satisfactory location for the image. Roger (talk) 07:47, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I reduced size to thumb and moved to left Bulwersator (talk) 08:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. That position looks much better. Maybe it could be a little larger, on my screen (1366 x 768) it looks tiny , barely larger than a postage stamp. I wonder if there are statistics available about the most common current screen resolution? I'm not sure if mine is unusual. Is there a WP guideline on image sizes? Roger (talk) 08:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

It is hard to calculate the most common screen res. Consider that an increasing number of people read Wikipedia on mobile telephones and other devices.

Instead of forcing a specific image size, we normally use the "Thumb" option for images - that creates a standard-sized thumbnail, defaulting to 220px, but individual users can set their own preference - look under the 'Appearance' tab, in the "Files" box - there is a drop-down for "Thumbnail size".

Maybe default thumbsize should be increased? Bulwersator (talk) 13:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Maybe so. In 2009, after a 2 week discussion, it was changed from 180px to 220px [11]. I'd suggest a bit more reading around / searching (e.g. [12]) and then, if you think it worthwhile, starting a discussion, on Wikipedia talk:Image use policy, or WP:VPP, or something.  Chzz  ►  13:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

In addition, note that non-free images such as that logo must be of 'low resolution' to comply with copyright law.

For more on image use, see Wikipedia:MOSIMAGE.  Chzz  ►  12:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Is it OK to delete old article and write new topic with the same title?

example? Bulwersator (talk) 08:17, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

If it is about a completely different subject that just happens to have the same name it is probably better to create a new article and use disambiguation. If the existing article is blatant nonsense it is usually ok to simply overwrite it, but in most cases it's better to go through a proper deletion procedure if it is merely non-notable. Roger (talk) 08:50, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

It surely was improper to usurp a title like that without waiting for a disposition on the old article's prod. —teb728 t c 10:03, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Is it proper way to fix mess: [13][14][15]? Bulwersator (talk) 11:01, 22 July 2011 (UTC) And this? Bulwersator (talk) 11:03, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• He told me that it is typical edit covered by this. I am quite confused, it it possible for sb to explain this to him? Bulwersator (talk) 14:30, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

By "rewrite", he meant "rewrite the page on the same topic, but in a better way." You read "rewrite" to mean "rewrite the page on a completely different topic." -- kainaw™ 14:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

AFAIK this changed article topic from martial art to region. So maybe his linking to this rule is invalid... Bulwersator (talk) 14:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Personal narratives

can I write articles about one's experience in a city OR about an experience first day at school...so on..please help?--182.72.244.146 (talk) 10:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but that is not something that is suitable for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view and is primarily based on information from reliable secondary sources (and that is without even getting into the notability issues). I would suggest you start a blog or create a Facebook account, media which are specifically tailored for among other things the narration of personal experiences. --Saddhiyama (talk) 10:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

New article on Will Packwood

i submitted a new article on Will Packwood on Wednesday 20 July. I can't find it. Is it being reviewed? 11:52, 22 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpackwood (talk • contribs)

Because you didn't change the default title when you made it, it was called "User:Rpackwood/Enter your new article name here" - as a draft, but not submitted for review.

I have moved it to the right place, and a better title - Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/William Packwood - and I've submitted it for a review. It might take several days before it is checked.

You can always see all articles you've edited by clicking on "my contributions" at the top of any page (when logged in).

It needs more / better references. "Youtube" is not a reliable source - good references are books, newspaper articles, magazines, etc. See WP:VRS, WP:BIO, and, for help on how to add them, Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners.  Chzz  ►  12:05, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid the move is premature - it is still a very rough draft. I can't see it surviving review in this state. See WP:Your first article for more guidance on how to write for WP. I am actually a bit shocked that you would think you are competent to write a new article from scratch as your very first action on WP. You should first get some experience editing already existing articles before taking such a bold step. I was active here for more than a year bofore I dared to create my first new article. Roger (talk) 12:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

In "Articles for creation", we try to help make articles live. There's no question of survival; an AFC is either accepted (and is made live), or is declined - in which case, it can be fixed and re-submitted.

That specific submission is far better than the average. It just needs some formatting improvements - and the person who reviews it might help with that (or, Rpackwood might improve it - I've already left some help on their talk page).

New editors are encouraged to be bold.

I agree that editing some other, existing articles is a good idea, but I wouldn't want new users to be afraid to try things.  Chzz  ►  13:12, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Fictitious Articles

Dear Wikipedia,

I am currently writing some digital fiction, and would be interested to know if there would be any way to create deliberately fictitious articles in wikipedia (for example entries for individuals or which doesn't exist - which would be linked to within the text) without this clashing with your rules against hoaxes.

many thanks. 139.222.64.101 (talk) 13:02, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Not on English Wikipedia, no; it'd be outside the scope of this project. Maybe try elsewhere.  Chzz  ►  13:05, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

If you tried that here and persisted beyond the usual round of warnings you would find yourself blocked in fairly short order. We have no tolerance for deliberate vandalism. That said, Uncyclopedia is a site that spoofs Wikipedia - all its content is deliberately false and generally quite hilarious. Roger (talk) 13:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

The predicted results were right, but I see no need to characterize something as vandalism when a GF editor asked in advance if something were permissible. --SPhilbrickT 13:43, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we were really calling the initial poster a vandal, but Dodger is right in that such efforts are seen as vandalism, since they are the knowing insertion of falsehoods into Wikipedia, and we are not Facebook or MySpace, to be used as a blog. (I stopped one such author who did not have the courtesy to ask beforehand, and he got all whiney.) All I could suggest to the poster is that they set up their own pseudo-Wikipedia for the fake articles. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for asking about it and not doing it. The rule against it is Wikipedia:Do not create hoaxes and there are no exceptions. (I stopped a user who sarcastically thanked me for crushing imagination and creativity). PrimeHunter (talk) 00:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Missing post on Talk page

Resolved

I saw in my watchlist that a new post was made at Talk:Michele Bachmann, but when I went there to respond, I couldn't find it visually or using the search function. Any ideas? Drrll (talk) 13:04, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

That post is there, on the page - near the end, under the heading "Needs a section on general reception by various commentators". Note, some other comments have been added after that one. If you still don't see it, try refreshing the page.  Chzz  ►  13:08, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Interesting. I still can't see it or find it with a search and I have refreshed the page. I do see it listed in the history of the Talk page. Drrll (talk) 13:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

In that case, try a 'purge' by going to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Michele_Bachmann#Needs_a_section_on_general_reception_by_various_commentators?action=purge

(See WP:PURGE if you want to know what that does)

The specific text appears just above where you wrote, That was one of my main concerns.

If it is still not there, could you please try rebooting; that solves 99% of oddness.

And please let us know if that sorts things out or not. Best,  Chzz  ►  13:16, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

The purge action fixed it. Thanks! Drrll (talk) 13:23, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Page is looking for an expert

Neti pot is requesting an expert to help develop the page.

Myself and our expert would like to offer our services to do so. We are the creators of the trademarked neti pot and our expert is a board certified internal medicine physician, homeopath, herbal doctor, and more. How do we offer our services? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smoulton (talk • contribs) 13:46, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Because of your conflict of interest you should use the article's talk page at Talk:Neti pot to suggest improvements to the article, as indeed you have been doing. Note that any suggestions must not be promotional, must be presented from a neutral point of view, and must be supported by reliable sources. Also not that you and your expert must not share the same user account. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 14:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Copyright question about File:Eden Pastora 02.jpg

Dear help desk, I have translated the article about Edén Pastora into Dutch, for the Dutch Wikipedia. I wanted to use the same photo on it, but it seems to be forbidden by copyright. That embarrasses me, because this photo is over 30 years old and the origin is in Nicaragua! So IF there should be a copyright limit, I'd expect it would have to be restrained to the Spanish Wikipedia and forbidden to the English one. How could it be that there is a US copyright to a picture that originates in another country?

I asked this 2 months ago to the one who uploaded the picture but unfortunately he doesn't answer. I hope someone else can help me, and even better, help me get that picture on the Dutch page. Thanks, Erik Wannee (talk) 15:18, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Someone may provide some help here, but the real experts in this subject hang out at IMAGEHELP.--SPhilbrickT 16:08, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I have asked this question there. I'm sorry that I'm not so at home on the English WP because I'm Dutch. Erik Wannee (talk) 17:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Is a wikipedia username the same thing as a wikipedia article title

Is a wikipedia username the same thing as a wikipedia article title — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.74.26.150 (talk) 16:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Certainly not! A username is the name by which a registered editor such as myself is known. A Wikipedia article title is that: the title of the article, using the most common name to tell us what that particular article is about, be it hamster or Albigensianism. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:50, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

While user names and article titles are distinct things on Wikipedia, a few people have usernames on Wikipedia that are the same or nearly the same as the titles of articles about them, for example William Connolley and User:William M. Connolley. For more examples see Category:Connected contributors. However, this is true of only a very small percentage of Wikipedia's 48,504,304 registered accounts. The vast majority of Wikipedia editors are not notable enough to have their own articles here (waves hand). --Teratornis (talk) 02:50, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Infobox interfering with image placement

An infobox is causing all the images to be displaced and displayed far lower than they should be. Is there a way to let the images keep their normal place in the markup? A tag I add to the infobox? Thanks! Dzlife (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

On which article?  Chzz  ►  17:01, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Are you referring to Economy of Canada?--SPhilbrickT 17:04, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

If you mean Economy of Canada and are concerned about the placement of the CRJ pic, which logically belongs close to the manufacturing section, I'll note that the Toronto-Dominion Centre pic doesn't really belongs in Manufacturing, and could be moved up to the Service Sector section, where it belongs, then the CRJ pic could be left-justified and moved up to its proper location. Does that work for you, or am I misunderstanding the concern?--SPhilbrickT 17:08, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Basically, all the pics are displaced. Even in the markup, they're supposed to be higher (the TD bank in the services section, the airplane pic in the manufacturing section). But it's the "Infobox economy" that's causing them all to be displaced down. Just removing the infobox would fix all the pictures. But obviously I don't want to do that. How do I get it so the infobox doesn't ruin the rest of the images? Dzlife (talk) 18:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

This is a common problem; basically, any box-type object which is itself forced down the page will pull images with it. The alignment problem of the image The Toronto-Dominion Centre in Toronto is not that it's aligned to the bottom of {{Infobox economy}}: it's aligned to the top of {{Economy of Canada}} (which is a navbar, not an infobox). Although that navbar is itself forced down the page, you couldn't really expect it to go any higher, being immediately below the {{Infobox economy}}. Images which occur later on in the wikicode cannot float any higher than the upper edge of boxes which precede them. The easiest fix is to take {{Economy of Canada}} and move it down the page. This is somewhat against the normal principle for navbars, but it's that or move all the images.

It should be noted that the problem varies between browsers. Firefox, Google Chrome, Opera and Safari behave as above (similarly to each other); but Internet Explorer 7 allows the images to take up their proper places - but pulls the text down. The result is a huge blank space between the heading "Manufacturing" and the text beginning "The general pattern of development for wealthy nations ..." - this text aligns with the top of the image Lufthansa CityLine the Bombardier CRJ family of aircraft are produced in Canada. (2010). --Redrose64 (talk) 22:23, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Anchors for section headings

I have tried to insert anchors for some sections headings that I have changed in the article Recycling. A test seems to show that I have made some mistake. --Hans Dunkelberg (talk) 17:30, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

They seem to work - Recycling#Saves energy, Recycling#Saves money, Recycling#Saves trees. What's the problem?  Chzz  ►  17:33, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I also inserted the title of the main section ("Benefits and criticism") for the test. I thought I had also tested it without, but that does not seem to be the case. Thank You, I think I am more clever, now. --Hans Dunkelberg (talk) 17:39, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Missing rating system

Sorry, but the rating system at the bottom of PocketBook eReader article is missing. Can you say something about it ?--Brainsteinko (talk) 17:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

If you mean the 'rate this page' thing, shown here, that's the Article Feedback Tool, which is undergoing a trial only. It isn't on all articles - it's only on about 100,000 randomly selected articles on the English Wikipedia.

For more info, see mw:Article feedback/FAQ.  Chzz  ►  17:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Journal of Cosmology WIKI--biased, libelous, slanderous,

The Wiki article on the Journal of Cosmology is a biased hit piece designed to slander, defame, and destroy the reputation of the Journal of Cosmology, its editors, and its contributors. This bias is reflected by the removal of any information about the editorial board of the Journal of Cosmology, or the affiliation of its editor-in-chief which is the Harvard Smithsonian. As indicated on the masthead, in the "About" section of the Journal of Cosmology, editors include Sir Roger Penrose of Oxford, Joel Levine Senior Scientist Science Directorate at NASA, Michael Russell of JPL and NASA. This information has been deleted, twice, so as to present a biased view of the Journal. The Journal has also published special editions on Abiogenesis and the abiogenetic origins of life on Earth, but again, that information has been deleted to make it appear the the Journal exposes only one point of view. Further, the slanderous allegations of individuals who are not cosmologists or astrobiologists and who are not even legitimate scientists, are given prominence. You also feature claims that the Journal was awarded the pig prize--this also constitutes slander and defamation, and no such prize was ever offered and the journal was never contacted about this issue. You also publish claims the journal does not peer review its articles, when there is no evidence, none, that these slanders have any validity. As to the Hoover controversy, the views of over 20 scientists who reviewed the Hoover article were published by the Journal of Cosmology, but Wiki chose instead to make mention of the only commentary which did not support the Hoover finding (e.g. Redfield).

Therefore, Wiki has deleted factual information, and instead has created a grossly inaccurate, biased page which constitutes slander and defamation the purpose of which is to destroy the reputation of the Journal of Cosmology, and this constitutes Trade Libel.

The slanderous allegations brings into dispute the legitimacy of every article published in the journal, including my own work. Therefore, I too, am a victim of the slanders and defamatory statements published by Wiki.

I am ccing this email to the editors and the Journal of Cosmology, and am urging them to take legal action.

If Wiki is incapable of presenting an unbiased description of the Journal of Cosmology, then wiki should remove the Journal of Cosmology page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.253.170 (talk) 20:07, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Rather than throwing around legal threats, have you tried to discuss this with other involved editors on the article's talk page? – ukexpat (talk) 20:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

(Possible legal threat reported to Wikipedia:ANI#Possible_legal_threat. Rehevkor ✉ 20:18, 22 July 2011 (UTC))

The IP address has been blocked from editing by an administrator for legal threats against Wikipedia. Alan the Roving Ambassador (User:N5iln) (talk) 21:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Also see WP:NOTWIKI. --Teratornis (talk) 22:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

A question on "Debye–Hückel equation"

Dear editor, In your article of "Debye–Hückel equation", you mentioned that the effective diameter for the hydronium ion is 9Å, but I found from other literature that it's different, could you please tell us what is your scientific basis of the effective diameter for the hydronium ion? That is to say, could you tell us which literature did you refer to? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.162.245 (talk) 20:42, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

A scan of the edit history of the Debye–Hückel equation article indicates that this claim has been in the article since at least 2006. The next sentence has a footnote reference to Skoog, Douglas A., Fundamentals of Analytical Chemistry, ISBN 0534417965. I don't know whether the original author of this tidbit got it from Skoog. When you pose a question about the content of an article to the Help desk it is unlikely that the author of that content will be reading the Help desk. There are other places to ask that are more likely to get the attention of the relevant content experts, such as Talk:Debye–Hückel equation and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemistry. If you have reliable published sources that give one or more different values, you can cite them in the article. If you don't understand the mechanics of editing footnote references in Wikipedia, then you can list your sources on the talk pages and wait for other more experienced editors to work them in. Oddly, the hydronium ion article does not mention its effective diameter. --Teratornis (talk) 22:06, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

notability

How many independent sources are required for a topic to be considered notable? Is it acceptable for the sources to be from the same reporting agency as long as they are different articles?

Exactly what is considered reliable? Can blogs that were created by the source subject be considered as reliable? What about links to Facebook, twitter, foursquare, and other social media? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pirhounix (talk • contribs) 20:57, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

You can answer some of these questions at WP:N and WP:RS. However, to clarify for you some of your direct questions:

• There is no magic number of good sources. Think of it more in terms of "how much of this person's life is documented by independent people in reliable sources" or "how much source text exists on this person." Someone may be the subject of a single book, but if its a complete biography of them, it may be enough. Or, someone may be the kind of person whose name has appeared in, say, a dozen newspaper articles, but never been in depth. It's not necessarily the number of sources, it is what and how much the sources have to say about this person's life.
• For the second part, what a person has to say about themselves may be reliable for basic information (for example, where they work, their birthdate, their basic biographical data), but it does not count for notability: Anyone can start a blog for free, even me, and it doesn't make me notable to do so. Links to social media are normally to be avoided (see WP:ELNO), though a single link to the subject's official website is usually OK.

Any other questions? --Jayron32 21:06, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually, yes, the information I gathered is about an organization. The last time I attempted the create a page for them it was removed by Somno, he stated "You need to prove more than the group's existence - you need to prove it is notable, according to Wikipedia's standards. This means that the foundation needs to have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the foundation. This coverage needs to be verifiable. There are only seven links in Google to the foundation, and none of those are independent. It does not appear to have been covered in any newspapers. The proposed demolition of the hotel is notable, but unfortunately I have seen no proof that your organization is also notable"

So if I have several links to this organization would it be removed for the same reasons? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pirhounix (talk • contribs) 21:33, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Also one of the other issues I have, is the official web page of the organization redirects to a blog. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pirhounix (talk • contribs) 21:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean by "several links to this organization"? Do you have several articles that were published by sources independent from the organization? If so, it would seem as though you're doing alright. It would help if you'd tell us what this organization is. The fact that their web site redirects to a blog isn't a major issue. If it's their official site, then it's the official site. Dismas|^(talk) 21:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I have found at least 4 links so far that are from various sources, (2 are from the same news paper) making reference to the organization, and the official home page witch is a blog. The organization is Save the Hotel Pennsylvania Foundation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pirhounix (talk • contribs) 21:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Per the above mentioned WP:N, coverage of the subject should be "significant" and not just passing mentions. You say these sources make reference to the organization but the coverage should be more than just a passing mention. The source should be about the org. Dismas|^(talk) 21:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for you help on this.Pirhounix 21:56, 22 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pirhounix (talk • contribs)

All of this is covered in depth at WP:ORG. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:34, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

July 23

Aldo (musician)

Why was this page arbitrarily deleted despite it being administered by the Australian Wiki foundation It is a factual page about a real artist unique in the genre he represents and very unique to Australia

If the deletor had any issues why not raise them with the foundation or request they be edited to suit his/her feelings — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.49.1 (talk) 04:23, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

The deletion log states:

• 00:47, 5 November 2010 Fetchcomms (talk | contribs) deleted "Aldo (musician)" (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aldo (musician))

so it is at the last link shown on that line that you will find the reasons. You should also be aware of the deletion policy.

n.b.: this has since been taken to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#Aldo (musician). --Redrose64 (talk) 10:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

how to find new articles

Hi,

I am looking for a list of recent articles by category. Until now, I only found the special page New pages. But I don`t know how to get a list sorted by categories. (like latest articles in Biology, Microbiology) Dodshe (talk) 11:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

You could always view the pages on WikiProject Biology or WikiProject Science. Otherwise you can checke Category:Biology and its subcategories, but there is no way of sorting pages by "new pages in the biology category". Maybe this link will be useful to you. It is a list of all of the unassessed articles in WikiProject Biology. Ryan Vesey Review me! 11:59, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, are there lists on the project pages ( WikiProject Biology or WikiProject Sciences)? There I have found noting. Thanks again, Dodshe (talk) 14:02, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

New Article inquiry

I am planning to make a new Wikipedia page regarding BRIDEX [16]. Is it allowed to make an article about this subject? Miguel AG (talk) 12:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Be bold! With 355,000 Google hits, it definately apears to be notable enough. Happy editing, hajatvrc with WikiLove @ 15:08, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles on chemicals inclusion of space-filling or ball and stick models

As a chemist, this is something that's bothered me for quite some time. Why do articles on chemicals include a picture of space-filling or ball and stick models in addition to (or even worse, instead of) just the skeletal formulae? These three dimentional models are "cool looking" but useless or confusing in actually portraying the chemical makeup of a molecule. Anyone who actually needs a 3D model is likely capable of generating one fairly quickly. Is it just the cool factor that perpetuates this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chihowa (talk • contribs) 15:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I cannot really speak for this beyond the suggestion that maybe these types of diagrams are easier for the layman to understand (in the "lies to children" fashion). Beyond that, perhaps bringing this up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemistry would shed some light on this. Regards. Rehevkor ✉ 15:36, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

The best way to find other chemist Wikipedians is to join the Chemistry Wikiproject. The rules guidlines for editing articles within the scope of this wikiproject (icluding the use of molecular models) are located at the Manual of Style (Chemistry). Therefore, the place to raise your proposal is at the talk page for that Manual of Style. Raise your question and provide a concise argument in its defense, and someone will respond to you soon. Happy editing, hajatvrc with WikiLove @ 15:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

New University of London Logo

The University of London has a new logo. It has been uploaded by as a .PNG file which does not show up in many browsers, so needs to be uploaded as a .jpg (see below.

However, would it be possible if someone could replace the emblem here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:University_of_London_arms.svg with the new logo that can be found here: http://img211.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=429184245_LondonLogo_122_953lo.jpg

And then could somebody please delete this image completely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UofLondon_logo.png

The reason for this is because the emblem is already in the logo, so it does not need to be displayed. It'll be good to make the Uni of London page consistent with other University pages, such as Uni of Liverpool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Liverpool

Would really appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.71.198 (talk) 16:42, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Kindle editions

I have the Kindle edition of several books that I would like to use as a reference its it allowable to use the location address instead of the page number as a reference?Tirronan (talk) 17:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't see why not. Kindle locations are essentially digital page numbers. Since you can change the font size on the Kindle, this could throw off page numbers actually in the text, hence the use of "locations", which do not change if the font size is adjusted. The purpose of page numbers in a reference is so that others can easily find the text that was referenced, and the Kindle location would achieve the same purpose.

That being said, if at all possible, I would try finding the page number in the actual book, via a search for the same text on Google Books, simply because most editors and readers will likely have much greater access to a physical book vs. the Kindle edition. If you're unable to find the page number after looking, then I would go with the Kindle Location. ^Avic_ennasis @ 17:50, 21 Tamuz 5771 / 23 July 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) This is one of the questions that often comes up at template talk:cite book, WT:CITE and other places. Can you be sure that the location address is the same regardless of what equipment and software is being used to view it? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:51, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

We certainly should be able to cite a Kindle version, although I'm not sure what the best practice should be, In theory, the answer should be in Citing sources, but I don't see it. You might want to add your thoughts to Wikipedia talk:Citing sources.--SPhilbrickT 17:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Until there is a better method, used the location. If you are using a citation template, use |at= for the location and |type= for the Kindle and model, as the location seems to differ. The Kindle 3 with updated software now has page numbers for ebooks that have been updated with page numbers. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 18:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Adddition to Janet Reno entry

Hello, I would like to add several links to the Janet Reno (Atty General under Wm Clinton) page. I am particularly interested in including:

Attorney General Reno was very outspoken in warning mayors, police chiefs and the Judicial and Executive Branches about the dangers of meth (-amphetamines) as early as 1996 and before. She was reported by the Orlando Sentinel as commenting that illegal trafficking in methamphetamine, a dangerous and powerful stimulant, had been spreading rapidly across the United States. [Orlando Sentinel (online),"Reno Warns That Trafficking In Methamphetamine Rising," http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1996-02-14/news/9602131165_1_methamphetamine-drug-of-choice-general-janet-reno Orlando, FL: 14 February, 1996, (accessed 23 July, 2011)]. She appeared at the 68th session of the United States Conference of Mayors Winter Meeting in Washington D.C. in 2000 with President Clinton and others to discuss social and law enforcement dangers of the drug nationally, especially in medium-sized and rural communities in order to deal with "the rapidly emerging issue of meth in America, discuss the unique needs of smaller and mid-sized communities to deal with the crisis, and develop prevention, treatment and interdiction strategies for meth which can then be applied to cities of all sizes as the methamphetamine crisis spreads across the nation." [Somers, Ed, (online), "Mayors Bring New Agenda for America's Cities to Washington, DC for 68th Winter Meeting," http://www.usmayors.org/68thWinterMeeting/68thpreview.htm USCM 1620 Eye Street, Northwest - Washington, DC: (accessed 23 July, 2011)]

Thank you, W CarrW Carr (talk) 17:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

91/0/0 norsk op

The section Anders Behring Breivik#Ideas and politics says "91/0/0 norsk op" at the end. Where the heck does that come from? It doesn't appear anywhere in the source text. JIP | Talk 17:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I was apparently viewing a cached version. JIP | Talk 17:54, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

article paragraphing

hello:

i edited an article and used paragraphs but the info i added goes afar right and is dificult to read. how do i get the info to stay in an 8x11 page format like all the other articles are?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.142.237 (talk) 18:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Don't add leading spaces to paragraphs. Just use the enter key, but start every paragraph on the first space of the line. --Jayron32 18:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)