Talk:Amy Winehouse

Found dead

She's been found dead, Sky News has confirmed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liquinn (talk • contribs) 16:27, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Indeed: Amy Winehouse Found Dead In London Home: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Showbiz-News/Amy-Winehouse-Found-Dead-At-Home-In-Camden-London-Say-Sky-Sources/Article/201107416036201?lpos=Showbiz_News_First_Media_Article_Teaser_Region__0&lid=ARTICLE_16036201_Amy_Winehouse_Found_Dead_At_Home_In_Camden%2C_London%2C_Say_Sky_Sources DragonFire1024 (talk) 16:34, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

The mail has it too; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018020/Amy-Winehouse-confirmed-dead.html 2.26.10.98 (talk) 16:38, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Damn near everyone has it now. Even TMZ has it on their front page, and we know they're legit. :| MFTU (talk) 16:46, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

To see a tribute to Amy visit [url]http://grizzlybomb.com/2011/07/24/amy-winehouse-1983-2011/[/url] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michellelynn61 (talk • contribs) 13:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I would point out that there is no referenced source to back up the statement that Amy Winehouse died from a "suspected drug overdose". The linked source only says that her death is "unexplained". 80.176.88.21 (talk) 17:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Protection

Why is this page protected? There's absolutely no need for it. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree. No need to over zealously protect this page. User:matt.whitby

Semiprotection, surely? — Pretzels ^Hii! 16:35, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

It's pretty standard to full protect articles when it's a possible death. Pursey ^{Talk | Contribs} 16:36, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

It's protected to stop the page being a warzone as information is coming in. I am sure it will be a good candidate for unprotection in as little as a couple of hours (and it was already semi-protected, and unsourced stuff was being added). U-Mos (talk) 16:37, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Over-hasty protection prevented me from adding an RS. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

It already was semi-protected. —Neuro (talk) 16:38, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I see unprotecting it worked well. Apparently she's now dead AND the child of satan. Pursey ^{Talk | Contribs} 16:40, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Request for re-protection/locking? There's been a hell of a lot of editing in the past 10-15 minutes. Tb2571989 (talk)

"a lot of editing" is not reason to protect. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I've updated my original full protection request to confirm I still support it. U-Mos (talk) 16:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Lock article

Amy W is dead. Lock article due to vandalisim — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awoluser (talk • contribs) 16:40, 23 July 2011 (UTC) Bender — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.27.168 (talk) 16:42, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean by vandalism? Like someone will vandalize her house if they read here that she is dead? Can you explain what you mean by that? Thanks so much and sorry for the inconvenience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.187.83.247 (talk) 16:49, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:VAND --DannyDaWriter (talk) 16:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism of the article. 72.191.112.164 (talk) 16:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

As in her Wikipedia page might be vandalised by speculative Wikitroublemakers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.154.246 (talk) 16:53, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Example: When Anna Nicole Smith died, someone added that she died of a "sex overdose" (!) (which I don't believe was ever proven)Codenamemary (talk) 17:37, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Can't it stay unlocked to registered editors. The 'death' section is appallingly badly written and needs tidying up Martyn Smith (talk) 18:35, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Source of Death

SkyNews

It's apparently getting a lot of attention - I can't even load the article, but the preview in a Google search for "skynews amy winehouse" tells me they're confirming it. CycloneGU (talk) 16:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's on Sky News on the TV. Daily Mail confirms it too. BigDom 16:43, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

From the BBC: [1] Colds7ream (talk) 16:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

CNN now has posted the breaking news update. Not that we need another source. No story from CNN yet. CycloneGU (talk) 17:01, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Somebody with a really fast connection merge the Daily Mail references. There has been too many edit conflicts for me to proceed any further. --Addict 2006 16:47, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't even try. I merely comment from the sidelines. =) CycloneGU (talk) 17:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Page should be edited to remove suspected drug overdose. Linked article makes NO mention of overdose. Saying it's a suspected overdose is purely opinion.

News sources state it. We can source it, we can say it. CycloneGU (talk) 17:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Link to news sources that state it? Neither Sky News nor the Mail even mention an overdose in their articles about it.

Same. I see no support for the drug overdose claims as yet. Especially the "(including many celebrities" claim 86.143.166.85 (talk) 17:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Withdrawn. I thought I saw it as suspected in an article, but everything says the official cause is unexplained, so I won't speculate. CycloneGU (talk) 17:43, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

[2] - Record label releases a statement, do you include what they say?RaintheOne ^BAM 19:30, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Time of Death?

The article states that the time of death was 4 pm local time or 1600 GMT. Currently, Britain is on Summer Time, so 4 pm local time would be 1500 GMT. Or if she died at 1600 GMT the local time would be 5 pm. Can someone please fix this as soon as the actual time of death is ascertained?109.58.98.197 (talk) 17:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

She was found at 54 minutes after the hour. Two sources did clearly say that detail. The exact time of death we don't know. CycloneGU (talk) 17:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed category: Musicians/artists/celebrities in general who died at the age of twenty seven.

Seems very un-wikipedia to me, but perhaps it's worth throwing out there. Thoughts? 76.118.90.166 (talk) 17:22, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree. It has the feel of conspiracy theory. I don't see any relevance for this in Amy's life and death. I'd vote to remove it.Savacek (talk) 17:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

It does, however, seem to be a recognised phenomenon: 27 Club. Nick Cooper (talk) 17:34, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

No, no, no, no. Pointless category. CycloneGU (talk) 17:43, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Oppose agree per above, if created, then all age-related-deaths categories would be created. Why create a category that is based on point of views? There's no reliable source to dictate that phenomena. AJona1992 (talk) 17:46, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

An article about the 27 Club already exists and Amy gets a mention. 80.176.88.21 (talk) 18:32, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

This source predicted she would join the club. - [3] - Problem is, do you consider it reliable.RaintheOne ^BAM 19:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Stupid idea, and has already been created and deleted at least twice (here and here). Lugnuts (talk) 19:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Ever reliable source The Guardian report on this club 27.. [4].RaintheOne ^BAM 02:18, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Not dead?

Here the national tv said that her spokesman hasn't confirmed Amy Winehouse's death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.97.47.28 (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

It's being widely reported, although not officially confirmed quite yet. U-Mos (talk) 18:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

27, an -apparently- critical age

This section is pretty silly and I'm sure it constitutes original research — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.161.156.122 (talk) 18:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

please add

Please add to External links: 99.50.186.196 (talk) 20:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Amy Winehouse collected news and commentary at The Guardian
• Amy Winehouse collected news and commentary at The New York Times

Done. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Tony Bennett

Thx and one more. This is a video from two weeks ago of Tony Bennett talking about their recording session. It could be another ref at the end of Final projects which talks about that album. It starts at about 2:20 and he says she was his favourite to record with and they talked about Dinah Washington. It's really nice, especially because it was done earlier. 99.50.186.196 (talk) 20:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Tony Bennett on recording with Amy Winehouse for his new album of duets, The Guardian, 11 July 2011
That's the Guardian's YouTube link and this is The Guardian site link if that's better.

Discussion of 2008 Racist Remarks

The phrase "June 2008 brought a report that Winehouse, singing a disparaging chant about blacks, the disabled, and homosexuals, and containing racial epithets about Pakistanis and Indians . . ." effectively sanitizes the scope of her comments. In fact, her song used the terms "nips" and "gooks," which are specific to Japanese and Koreans and in general about East Asians. The article should be amended to reflect this; otherwise, it appears that her racist comments only addressed blacks, Pakistanis, and Indians, minimizing them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gasfarty (talk • contribs) 20:45, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

known for her powerful contralto vocals????

When I clicked on the Contralto link this is what it says:

"Contralto" is meaningful only in reference to classical and operatic singing, as other genres lack a system of vocal categorization comparable to that generally accepted in the classical context.

By that definition it seems wrong to categorize her singing as "Contralto". Should it be removed???--Brian Earl Haines (talk) 20:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

no, but the contralto entry should be edited. classical terms are regularly used, when appropriate, in other types of music. --Mongreilf (talk) 22:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Move Protection

I can understand that the page has been semi protected as there has been some vandalism, but I have not seen any move vandalism so why is it move=sysop?. MrAmberGold (talk) 21:31, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I can't speak for the blocking admin, but from another admin's point of view, I would imagine it's because her article is quite high profile at the moment with her dying. I think it is also on or about to be on the main page so that could be another reason. You'd be surprised what vandalism people will do to high profile articles. Maybe the reason it's not been vandalised move-wise is because we've prevented that from happening?--5 albert square (talk) 21:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Some really high profile pages are move-protected despite no such vandalism. I believe this came about about after someone move-vandalized United States [5] which required developer intervention because there were so many edits to that particular page. 02:41, 24 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hbdragon88 (talk • contribs)

• Actually, the simpler answer is "it's been move protected for yonks now, but due to a previous protection fubar I needed to remove all protection and then reinstate some"; see the logs. Ironholds (talk) 03:27, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Autopsy????

As the subject is from the UK the term autopsy should be changed to post mortem which is the correct UK term and not the Americanised version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.93.87 (talk) 21:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

 Done thanks for pointing that out--5 albert square (talk) 22:01, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Anyone else see the porn at the bottom?

Or am I the only one who's getting pictures of flaccid male members? Bucinka (talk) 22:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC) I did. It has been taken off now. Some people are very tasteless and sick.

I saw it. I think one of the templates called in the external links section was hacked. I deleted the NYTimes template and no longer saw the porn, but I haven't verified that that edit was the one that fixed the issue. --Zippy (talk) 22:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Someone already fixed the vandalism on the template, so I restored it. I dunno why it isn't protected as a high risk template though. --w^{L<speak·check>} 22:13, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Help - Can someone add to the article and external links for me?

This site has been locked for most editors of Wikipedia, so I will throw out a request to add some info to the article and the external links on my behalf:

"Fans have set up a memorial website to leave their thoughts about Amy Winehouse."

Site address: www.amy-winehouse-memorial.info

Brandondeshaw (talk) 23:11, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Done D4nnyw14 (talk) 23:31, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

The requested site currently has almost no content, carries ads, and is registered to the same name as the single-edit user requesting it. I cannot see how it meets WP:EL and I don't think it is our job to drive traffic to this site. I'm removing it. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 23:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Oops sorry hadn't read the complete rules for EL's but have now and will be more careful in future D4nnyw14 (talk) 00:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for the nice reply. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 00:14, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment: I have left this user a note. I am sure that they will let us know when their site meets WP:EL. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 11:13, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

big mistake

you put on the wiki page that amy winehouse won 6 grammys in 1 night for back to black tying for most won in a night. wrong, she won 5 for back to black which makes her second with a few others for most won in a night, first would be beyonce.

It says six nominations and five wins currently, which I believe is accurate. As to whether anyone has got more I don't know (I recall BBC news saying earlier it was the most a british female artist has ever achieved in one night, but obviously Beyonce doesn't fall under that category). U-Mos (talk) 23:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Sylvia Young, expelled?

Just heard Sylvia Young, on Radio 5 Live say Amy was very intelligent, got bored easily, then said 'she changed schools at 15,.. Ive heard it said she was expelled, she wasn't....I'd never have expelled Amy.."Sayerslle (talk) 00:02, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Different news sources said this. Also, what are you trying to say? That you personally did not expell her? Confusing.RaintheOne ^BAM 02:13, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

No, there's quote marks there. The user is stating what someone else said. Nevertheless, it's also called "not speaking ill of the dead", and hagiography has no place in an encyclopedia. Put more simply, memories are faulty, especially under pressure. Let the statement be backed up with some sort of RS (as opposed to "<somebody> said...", and that's a different story. However, as the initial statement was cited, we would have to include both of them. MSJapan (talk) 02:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

There is one closing quote mark.. Anyway, it shouldn't be added as most news sources refute that claim at present. So yes, wait until that recieves greater correction amongst sources.RaintheOne ^BAM 02:21, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Sylvia Young stated that Amy's mother removed her from the school MacStep (talk) 04:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I disagree with not mentioning this at all. I don't know it, but surely there's a proper way to cite radio sources? Just add a clause after the current sentence explaining that Young denies Amy was expelled. It's not for us to suggest that she may be mistaken. U-Mos (talk) 10:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

The Faces

"The Faces dedicated their July 23 gig to Winehouse"

Why is this line here? The Faces are not really a popular band, especially compared to Amy Winehouse. I don't think the line adds any relevant information on her death.

Rejdovak (talk) 02:45, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Agreed -- way too many references to tweets by famous and supposedly famous people about her death. Most, if not all of these entries add no encyclopedic-level value to this entry.

Areback (talk) 03:02, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Posthumous/Third Album

"Amy had recently completed her third album but the release date was delayed by Island Records when she went into rehab." Daily Mail - Amy Winehouse Dead

"And now there’s talk that as much as half of what would have been her long awaited new album has been recorded and will presumably be released posthumously in some fashion at some point." Beatweek - Amy Winehouse Posthumous Material

would this go under her discography section as TBA (Unknown) or something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hecanonlyholdher (talk • contribs) 03:51, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

None of those sources are reliable. Edkollin (talk) 04:14, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Diagnosis of Bipolar Disorder?

Came to Wikipedia to verify what someone claimed on a news site: that Winehouse was bipolar. Now, Wikipedia editors wouldn't throw around terms for brownie points, and I saw nothing in the article saying "she was officially diagnosed with bipolar disorder by Dr. So-in-so on such and such a date" at General Hospital. But I want to get a positive answer. Is there a reliable source stating that she had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, or not?

And before any question why I ask this about a just-dead woman: everyone with a mental illness is hurt when laypeople feel free to throw labels at the famous. John and Jane Public don't have fame to protect them. -75.57.7.223 (talk) 04:14, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Please stop restoring the condolences section

WP:3RR has already been broken. We do not keep a section with the condolences of friends on other dead people for a reason: it's unencyclopedic tabloid-worthy hogwash. If I wasn't at my cottage on my phone I would have opened a case on this but instead Ill kindly request for you to remove it or provide a good reason (besides "it's sourced") for keeping the subsection in the article. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 04:52, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:3RR was broken? Really? By whom? WWGB (talk) 07:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

There's a big difference between condolences and tributes. The quotes fron Ronson and Carole King should be there somewhere. It may still be hogwash, but it's notable hogwash. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:09, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 174.253.138.83, 24 July 2011

U2 dedicated their song "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of" during the Minneapolis perfomance of the 360 Tour on July 23, 2010.

174.253.138.83 (talk) 05:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jnorton7558 (talk) 06:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Time of death

The article currently states that ambulences were called at 14:52 UTC.. is this consistent with this edit at 14:20 UTC, when an editor updated the article indicating she had died? Are we sure 14:52 UTC is the right time? Mlm42 (talk) 05:30, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe that edit was made at 14:20 UTC, rather 16:20 UTC

Unworthy of Wikipedia's Main Page News

With no disrespect to the dead... but this event is so completely unworthy of the news on this site. The Norway terrorist bombing/shooting is completely worthy, and is truly world news. A quasi-popular controversial drug addicted singer dies? I think not. Why does Winehouse get this honour? Just seems odd.

I understand this isnt about the article on its own, but there is no other place to post this that I know of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.113.64.249 (talk) 06:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

By "quasi-popular" you mean multi-million selling: Back_to_Black#Commercial_performance. I think multi-million selling controversial drug addicted singers' deaths such as Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, Janis Joplin AND Amy Winehouse are notable.--Mongreilf (talk) 07:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Completely biased statement. If a celebrities death spreads across the world with serious reactions then its inclusion in the main page is extremely notable. All news articles are on the template for a reason, just because someone who believes that because she was a drug addicted singer that she shouldn't be on there, is completely in your point-of-view which is not how Wikipedia goes by. AJona1992 (talk) 07:49, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

False information

I agree with the above post "big mistake" the information saying "Back to Black, led to six Grammy Award nominations and five wins, tying the record for the most wins by a female artist in a single night" is false information and should be changed to "most wins by a "British" female artist in a single night and "tying for most wins by a female artist in a single night" removed, since beyonce holds the record for "I am Sasha Fierce" which won 6 grammys in 2010 giving Beyonce most wins by a female artist in a single night. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geyejoe (talk • contribs) 07:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Full Protection

Just to prevent any possibilty of vandalism, should the article be fully protected the whole article for 1 week?. MrAmberGold (talk) 09:38, 24 July 2011

No. We don't fully protect articles because of hypothetical issues Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:22, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Lady Gaga on Winehouse's influence

The following is an extract from this source

“ Worldwide pop superstar Lady Gaga later credited Winehouse with opening the door for artists who dared to be different.

"I will always have a very deep love for Amy Winehouse," she told AOL. "Because of Amy, very strange girls like me go to prom with very good-looking guys. She's a different kind of woman. I don't believe that what I do is very digestible, and somehow Amy was the flu for pop music."

"And everybody got a little bit of the flu and got over it, and fell in love with Amy Winehouse. And now, when more flu comes along, it's not so unbearable."

”

Lady Gaga sums up Winehouse so well. She, and tons of other female artists, would not be in such a position without Winehouse. Winehouse paved the way. I think this is notable to add in the "infuence on the music industry" section. Stephenjamesx (talk) 09:30, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

So, Winehouse was like an infectious disease... in a world where success for a woman means being taken to the prom by a good looking guy? Hmmm, does tis say more about Winehouse or about Gaga? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:42, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

It can only say something about Gaga as Winehouse had nothing to do with the quote and doesn't mention proms or guys' looks. In fact, it doesn't even say anything about Gaga - the only person who decided that "being taken to the prom by a good looking guy" equated success was the person who decided that Gaga quote was a metaphor. I feel that on the page, one reader's interpretation of Lady Gaga's "metaphor" is exactly that - an interpretation - and should not have someone's personal translation on the wikipedia page as if it was fact that Gaga was referring to the music industry. I personally don't believe the statement was a mataphor for the music industry but, regardless, its inclusion should not be allowed when backed up by a metaphorical statement that, literally, isn't the source of the article's quote. Doobystew (talk) 10:18, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Shucks. And there was me thinking it was just AOL journalistic hype. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:24, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Guys, open your minds a bit. Stephenjamesx (talk) 12:56, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Bisexual

Please remove the part about Amy's bisexuality. The reference is from a News of the World webpage that no longer exists. Besides I believe that stories from certain tabloids should not be fully relied upon. Especially when they pay money to create sensationalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justice Balls (talk • contribs) 11:11, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

 Done That ref link simply said "Thank you and goodbye". Sort of sums it up really. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:32, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

To follow up, the LGBT categories at the bottom of the article have also been removed. Normally I don't touch articles on the recently deceased (it's way out of my project area), but since there was no referenceable info within the article about this, the categories had to go. Thegreatdr (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2011 (UTC)