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Hello Get2nomey, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Extraordinary Machine 18:44, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Mariahvibe.jpg

Hi. I noticed that you uploaded Image:Mariahvibe.jpg and tagged it as {{GFDL-self}}. However, the copyright for that image actually belong to the Associated Press (see here). Also, the image that was already being used on the Mariah Carey article is public domain. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law. We need you to specify two things on the image description page:

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If you have any questions, just leave a message on my talk page. Thanks again. Extraordinary Machine 18:44, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the image on the Mariah Carey article: I must inform you that Wikipedia does not tend to encourage users to insert copyrighted "fair use" images in articles when suitable public domain or free license images have been located for the subject of that article. See Wikipedia:Fair use. Another thing: Remember to mark your edits as minor only when they genuinely are (see Wikipedia:Minor edit). "The rule of thumb is that an edit of a page that is spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a 'minor edit'." Extraordinary Machine 17:03, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're still marking non-"minor" edits as minor. Please do not do this, as it is misleading to other editors. Also, please remember to provide edit summaries. Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 00:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Mariahvibe.jpg has been listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:Mariahvibe.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

Extraordinary Machine 18:46, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Marking edits as minor

Remember to mark your edits as minor only when they genuinely are (see Wikipedia:Minor edit). "The rule of thumb is that an edit of a page that is spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a 'minor edit'." Extraordinary Machine 17:55, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your reverts of my edits to Don't Forget About Us

See Talk:Don't Forget About Us. Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 17:17, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You've reverted again, without any explanation whatsoever. This is considered impolite and unproductive, and may lead to punitive action against you. Please discuss the matter at Talk:Don't Forget About Us. Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 20:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hot 100

Hi there, I noticed you updated the Feb. 4 #1... normally Billboard does not publish new charts until Thursday. Was jsut wondering where you got the early info and if there is a source you can point to in order to confirm it? You did not put a comment on your edit. Thanks. -- eo 22:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mariah Carey

Do not use misleading edit summaries, label non-vandalism edits as vandalism, merge three adequately-sized paragraphs into one (see the manual of style) and perform point-of-view edits such as saying she has a "sexy image". Also, the sentence "her voice and lyrics are the subjects of frequent criticism" is completely accurate; the article has entire paragraphs dedicated to summarising criticisms of her work. Extraordinary Machine 22:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently those comments about her do have significant importance in the greater scheme of things; I did the research, negative critical appraisals of her work came up very frequently, and I have reflected this in the article. To not mention this in its lead section, which is supposed to summarize the most important points of the article (and criticisms of her work are given enough coverage in the article to qualify as an "important point"), is a violation of Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, which all users are expected to abide by. It's unwise not to "worry about things other than objectivity", since maintaining objectivity is one of Wikipedia's key policies. Most of the time her voice is not criticised because it is "damaged", it is criticised because she uses lots of melisma. Same with "sexy image"; it's the same as saying "he/she's sexy", it's just personal opinion ("sexual" is a better and more NPOV word, and is used in the article instead). Per Wikipedia:Guide to layout, "paragraphs become hard to read once they exceed a certain length", and Wikipedia:Lead section states that articles consisting of 30,000+ characters should have lead sections at least three paragraphs long.

Saying that Billboard magazine states Carey is tied with Elvis Presley for the most number-one hits is also POV; their own statician credits him with an eighteenth (for good reason), and this has been discussed extensively at Talk:Mariah Carey. Extraordinary Machine 22:58, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edit war

Please sign your comments by placing four tildes after each posts like this: ~~~~ . Thank you. Also, while this is a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, we have certain policies and guidelines that you have to follow if we are to be productive here. (Please familiarise yourself with NPOV, Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:policies and guidelines) If you break these guidelines and procedures, then ofcourse others will try to correct them. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 23:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

You have been blocked from Wikipedia for a week for repeatedly threatening leagl action against a user(s). That is in a direct violation of No personal attacks policy, which I have told you to read. If you feel that the block is unjustified, then you can make your case right here. You are lucky I didn't institute a longer block. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 00:04, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wish that you'd talk with me here, instead of trying to open a new account. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 00:11, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is obvious to me that you are just taking up for extraordinary machine, a fellow admin, and blocking me unnecessarily. It is not right for admins to use their positions to impose their will on others. If I was an admin and extraordinary machine was just an editor I would not use my admin position, or my admin friends, to settle an editing dispute.

I think that extraordinary machine's interpretation of Mariah Carey's chart record is the most utterly stupid thing I have ever heard. It is laughable to me. What makes him or you more qualified than me as a researcher to review this issue and settle what the text should be on that point? Just because you were persistent in editing pages and became an admin does not mean that you or he are more qualified than anyone else to do research or that you actually write very well or know how to best organize the text that you have written. I am appalled. I teach 18 year old's how to write and you mean to tell me that you and a buddy get to make the final decision about substantive edits on a page because you happen to be an admin. What are the qualifications for being an admin? College degree? Master's degree? Extensive journalism experience? This makes no sense. You have not blocked anyone as long as me except someone who made racist comments. I think you exercised poor judgment in issuing that block.

I am afraid that I have already referred the Mariah Carey matter to Island Def Jam's legal department because I believe very strongly that Ms. Carey has a legal right not to have someone publish false information about her. It is not a criminal matter, it is a civil matter by the way. Legal does not mean criminal. No where does it say specifically in the Wikipedia policy that it is against policy to assert rights. Mariah is a public figure but publishing false and misleading information about her is not allowed. Wikipedia has recently received negative publicity for allowing misleading information to be published on this site regarding JFK's assassination, if you recall. I think you as an admin would do good to take seriously concerns about accuracy. Don't assume that because someone is an admin that they know best what text belongs on a page no matter how well they claim to know Wikipedia policy.

I was unaware that extraordinary machine was an admin, but that is besides the point really. I view his constant reverts on the Mariah Care site as vandalism. He says that it is not but that is what it appears to be to me. As an admin why doesn't he leave it to the editors to edit the Mariah Carey site rather than using his admin authority to assert his views and when they cause such controversy on that particular page. Why doesn't he let a different admin monitor that page since he is the source of such great conflict with other editors all the time? That would be the responsible thing to do.

I am also convinced that you violated the Wikipedia policy by banning me for an unreasonably long time for a minor infraction that occured once. It was in retaliation for my disagreement with Extraordinary Machine. I highly doubt that you would have banned me had I said the same thing to an ordinary editor who vandalised a page. You used your authority to take sides in an editing dispute and banned me. You took sides because you decided that extraodinary machine is not vandalising Mariah Carey's website. That's why you banned me. I think that is a shame and it does little to enhance Wikipedia's already sullied reputation. Get2nomey 01:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC)get2nomey[reply]

How can we bring damage to her reputation? Its not like we are out to get her. Look at all the crap in the media that repeatedly post scathing remarks about her, especially in the Glitter era. Did anyone make a fus as you are? And if you continue with your legal threat, you face being permanently banned from Wikipedia. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 00:20, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]