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Deborah Regal

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Doesn't seem to be a notable person covered directly and in detail by multiple reliable sources (ie. WP:GNG) – for instance, The Times source in its entirety says, "During a 10-year City career in foreign exchange sales, Regal worked at Bloomberg and JP Morgan. Now studying for the Bar, she is also an independent member of the Metropolitan Police Authority and was named Pro Bono Hero by the attorney-general for her legal charity work." Is this detailed, significant coverage? I would have to say not. The same goes for the other (malformatted) references. ╟─Treasury Tag►Osbert─╢ 15:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per 2009 recognition by Management Today magazine.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Can you quote the significant coverage from that magazine, because I'm unable to spot any myself? Thanks. ╟─Treasury Tag►Alþingi─╢ 15:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the article needs the links converted to actual references, but the Times link works for me, for now. MikeWazowski (talk) 15:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You mean aside from being trivial, rather than significant, coverage, one assumes? ╟─Treasury Tag►collectorate─╢ 16:00, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. — I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} 16:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete - no specific assertion of notability. The times link, as a one to watch doesn't cut it for me, at all. Nothing found in my search that would provide the independent , focused commentary about her that would support an article about her life under a WP:GNG pass. - Off2riorob (talk) 16:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There are a few mentions of her in reliable sources, but it appears to be trivial coverage to me. It doesn't appear to me that she meets a specific subject guideline, but I'm open to correction if I've missed something. Qrsdogg (talk) 17:17, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I'm not against a redirect to List of former members of the Metropolitan Police Authority. Qrsdogg (talk) 22:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Many sites/magazines make up "top X to watch" - but that in and of itself is not enough to be notable. Did they actually do something after being first seen? That would be the real clincher. This person - not so much that I can find anywhere. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 18:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
She's an independent member of the Metropolitan Police Authority: a position of significant power and she's attracted quite a lot of attention for a lawyer of her youth. It's up for grabs whether this makes her, strictly speaking, "notable" by Wikipedia's guidelines. The mistake that Off2riorob, Qrsdogg and Bwilkins are making is to assume that a lack of notability means "delete". It doesn't. It means "redirect to Metropolitan Police Authority". See WP:BEFORE and WP:ATD for detailed reasoning here. Whatever we decide to do about this article, it won't involve the use of the delete button.—S Marshall T/C 20:37, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Why a redirect to the MPA rather than to JP Morgan or to Bloombergs, if we're going down that line? ╟─Treasury Tag►Odelsting─╢ 20:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Read. Comprehend. Think. Edit. JP Morgan and Bloombergs are just ~~law firms~~ firms with legal departments, but the Metropolitan Police Authority is a political quango that wields significant practical authority.—S Marshall T/C 20:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regal resigned from the MPA last year. A redirect to Metropolitan Police Authority would make sense only if that article were to become an archive of former as well as current members (yes, the article is out of date). --88.109.60.234 (talk) 21:11, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you - I updated the article. Off2riorob (talk) 21:17, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to list of former members of the Metropolitan Police Authority per the discussion above.—S Marshall T/C 21:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to a redlink not notable list...are you serious? Off2riorob (talk) 21:29, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's no longer a redlink, and it's perfectly notable.—S Marshall T/C 21:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Enjoy yourself then. I imagine if you don't populate it it will get some deletion attention. Off2riorob (talk) 21:31, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I should imagine so.—S Marshall T/C 21:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to list of former members of the Metropolitan Police Authority, thanks to S Marshall. - Off2riorob (talk) 06:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per nom as the Times quotation is certainly detailed, significant coverage and the rest is a matter of ordinary editing per our editing policy. Warden (talk) 22:31, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 05:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. She looks pretty ordinary to me. A minor offical and she had a few jobs. Refs are trivial. Szzuk (talk) 07:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to newly created list. Still not enough coverage for BLP. Might be notable one day; sources certainly point subject's career to be rising. Times article amplifying the Haymarket Group top 35 list puts this right at the edge. Sourcing the subject's place on a list is appropriate coverage at this time. BusterD (talk) 12:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to list above. --Matthew Thompson ^{talk to me bro!} 13:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Coverage clearly exists on her as per Colonel Warden. VER Tott 09:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
She has ~50 words in that times article. It's a trivial mention. Szzuk (talk) 19:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. VER Tott 09:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Times coverage is enough.[1] Its not the size of the mention, but what she is mentioned for. A major news source put her on their list. "They are high achievers and their careers are being forged in the toughest of times - amid a recession. The 35 women under 35 picked by Management Today are the first in a generation to see such a downturn". This is something of an accomplishment. Its not the top 35 people someone famous has dated, run over, or vomited on. This is a significant achievement, not just some trivial nonsense. Dream Focus 03:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 *:She has ~50 words in that times article. It's a trivial mention. [[User:Szzuk|Szzuk]] ([[User talk:Szzuk|talk]]) 19:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * <small>'''Note:''' This article has been nominated for [[Wikipedia:Article_Rescue_Squadron|rescue]]. [[User Talk:Vertott|<span style="color:red">VER</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Vertott|<span style="color:green">Tott</span>]] 09:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</small>
+*'''Keep''' The Times coverage is enough.[http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/entrepreneur/article6590897.ece]  Its not the size of the mention, but what she is mentioned for.  A major news source put her on their list. "They are high achievers and their careers are being forged in the toughest of times - amid a recession. The 35 women under 35 picked by Management Today are the first in a generation to see such a downturn".  This is something of an accomplishment.  Its not the top 35 people someone famous has dated, run over, or vomited on.  This is a significant achievement, not just some trivial nonsense. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 03:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)