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NickCT

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Request concerning NickCT

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

—Biosketch (talk) 07:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

NickCT (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:ARBPIA#Decorum/WP:ARBPIA#Editors_reminded

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 12 July – editor accuses me of being "a committed Israel-Palestine POV warrior," with no accompanying evidence
2. 13 July – editor repeats the accusation, again with no accompanying evidence.
3. 15 July – editor accuses me of concealing previous accounts, with no accompanying evidence.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

1. Blocked on 21 December 2009 by Ged UK (talk · contribs) for harassment
2. Notified on 2 March 2010 by PhilKnight (talk · contribs) of ARBPIA ruling
3. Blocked on 27 May 2010 by PhilKnight (talk · contribs) for personal attacks

Enforcement action requested

Topic ban for a duration of one week to one month, per escalation from previous.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

For the past month or so I've been having to put up with increasingly hostile and personally oriented rhetoric directed against me by editors in the I/P topic area. When at this very Noticeboard Tarc (talk · contribs) thrice accused me of sockpuppetry without citing a single diff as required per WP:NPA#WHATIS, I let it slide. After Nableezy (talk · contribs) attributed to me a batshit insane obsession with his edits for two edits I made, he redacted and I accepted. More recently, Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) called me an ass on his Talk page for trying to engage him in a calm one-on-one discussion; but he too struck the remark per my request and the matter has more-or-less been settled. NickCT (talk · contribs), on the other hand, not only called me "a committed Israel-Palestine POV warrior" without any evidence, but into the bargain has been repeatedly suggesting that I'm a sockpuppet or hiding previous user accounts, also without any evidence. I insisted that he withdraw his original comment or substantiate it in three different places to avoid creating a scene – but to no avail.

If people have a problem with my edits in I/P or have gotten into their heads that I'm a sockpuppet, it doesn't excuse attacks against me that violate WP:NPA and WP:ARBPIA#Decorum/WP:ARBPIA#Editors_reminded. I understand Decorum isn't as strictly enforced as other ARBIA principles are, but specifically in the case of User:NickCT, he has been sanctioned here before for his hostile interactions with editors he disagrees with in I/P, so either he genuinely doesn't understand what these policies entail, or else he's incapable of abiding by them. Either way, considering the perpetually tense atmosphere at I/P and NickCT's problematic conduct in the topic area in the past, I am requesting enforcement in this case. Every other means of reaching an understanding with this user has been exhausted in vain.

Appendix: In anticipation of the some of the comments likely to follow, I offer these preformulated responses. It isn't essential that the Admins considering my request read them.

• "This is a frivolous request, only one attack." First of all, it wasn't one attack. The first time he attacked me, I templated his remark with Template:RPA, but he removed the Template and reiterated his attack. Later, when I tried in the gentlest way possible to communicate to him the problem with his remark, his response was to attribute bad-faith motives both to my initial comment on User:Malik Shabazz's Talk page and to my comment on his own Talk page. And then, when I took the matter to WP:WQA for community input, he began with his string of allegations that I'm a sockpuppet. These aren't frivolous attacks. They are textbook personal attacks against me relating to an active-arbitration topic area, without evidence to back them up and serving only to discredit me and disrupt my interactions with other contributors. Secondly, the pattern of recurring personal attacks doesn't need to be established by my diffs alone. It is already established by his block log.
• "AEs should not be filed against editors one is in conflict with." The response to that is simple. NickCT and I weren't in conflict anywhere in the Project; indeed, as far as I know, this was only the second time he and I ever crossed paths.
• "If all these people are attacking you, maybe you're the problem and not them." I'm open to criticism relating to how I edit, as anyone who contributes regularly to I/P should be. I'm also aware of WP:BOOMERANG. If someone's convinced there's a case to be made that my edits are a problem in I/P, let them make it like through the appropriate channels. Otherwise, shifting the blame onto me and making ad hominem remarks in my regard is counterproductive and needs to be identified for what it is – a sordid red herring. This is an AE about NickCT. Any comments not directly relating to that user and his remarks toward me don't belong here.
• "This isn't within the purview of AE." The language and context of the attack make it related to the Arab-Israel conflict, broadly construed. If this were an I/P-banned editor, he would not be allowed to attack another contributor as "a committed Israel-Palestine POV warrior." Furthermore, NickCT was sanctioned at AE before for similar infractions.—Biosketch (talk) 07:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

In reference to the forum shopping charge, that's an exceedingly slanted interpretation of what led to this AE. It says at the top of this page, "ArbCom decisions are the last stop of dispute resolution." Had I come here immediately following the I/P-related personal attack, it might have been considered impulsive and premature. Instead, I tried resolving the incident where it initially took place; then I tried at the editor's Talk page; and then I tried at WQA. So I think I followed procedure to the letter and even showed more restraint than other people in similar situations have.

Additionally, in coming here I also relied on the comments of several Admins in good standing, which indicated that personal attacks are sanctionable at AE – for example, Gatoclass (talk · contribs), "Speaking of which, gratuitous comments on contributor are sanctionable in this topic area, so I strongly suggest you avoid making them", and Zero0000 (talk · contribs), This is your only warning, next time I'm filing a report, who rebuked editors for remarks that were far less severe than what I endured.

Lastly, regarding the wikilawyering charge, that's also detached from reality. WP:NPA is unequivocal: "Serious accusations require serious evidence" (emphasis added). And WP:ARBPIA ruled, "Unseemly conduct, such as personal attacks, incivility, assumptions of bad faith, trolling, harassment, disruptive point-making, and gaming the system, is prohibited." It could not have been stated any more clearly than that.—Biosketch (talk) 05:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified at user's Talk page: "You have demonstrated to me that you either do not understand WP:NPA or do not see yourself as needing to comply with it. I have requested enforcement of ARBPIA rulings against you here."

Discussion concerning NickCT

Statement by NickCT

Not sure how seriously I should take this, so I'll just make several quick points -

1) People should probably review this conversation as example of the kind of complaints Biosketch seems to have a penchant for.

2) re "repeatedly suggesting that I'm a sockpuppet" - I never suggested Biosketch was a sock. I suggested he had an account previous to his current account, which he almost certainly has had and additionally, has made no attempt to deny. I explained the difference between those two things here. I'm not sure why he repeatedly mischaracterizes my comments.

3) Bio initially filed a Wikiquette complaint for the material above, which didn't seem to gather any momentum. He seems to be going to multiple places now trying to get someone to agree and act on his complaints. As such, I think AE request could justifiably be called forum shopping.

4) Biosketch really represents the worst of the Israel-Palestine wikilawyers. This kind of "throw some accusations around and see what sticks" tactics has got to stop. It's a waste of time, and distracts from WP's core mission. I think a clear message could be sent here with some punitive anti-wikilawyering measures.

Thanks, NickCT (talk) 12:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Result concerning NickCT

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• So...I take it that no one is willing to sanction NickCT then? NW (Talk) 05:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

JerryDavid89

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Request concerning JerryDavid89

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

AnonMoos (talk) 06:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

JerryDavid89 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:ARBPIA#General_1RR_restriction

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 05:29, 31 July 2011 Re-adding sentence which was a controversy magnet, and which the editors involved in editing the article who have expressed an opinion on the matter have decided is not useful in that form in that place in the article.
2. 06:24, 30 July 2011 Re-adding sentence which was a controversy magnet, and which the editors involved in editing the article who have expressed an opinion on the matter have decided is not useful in that form in that place in the article.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

1. Warned on 29 July 2011 by Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs)
2. Warned on 07:26, 26 July 2011 by Zero0000 (talk · contribs)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Anything that will get him to finally pay some attention, and stop ignoring what other people have been telling him.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Also resorted to anonymous IP socks to get get his precious sentence into the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine article (as can be seen from the article history), which takes it far beyond 1RR.

See also Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attacks.2C_bad-faith_and_slow_edit-warring

In response to his comment below, "05:29, 31 July 2011" minus "06:24, 30 July 2011" is 23 hours and 5 minutes, obviously less than 24 hours. This incident could be viewed as relatively minor in itself (if the anonyumous IP edit-warring is ignored, that is), but it's symptomatic of his general disregard for community norms and the concerns of others, and so in that respect is not "frivolous" at all... AnonMoos (talk) 06:26, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JerryDavid89&diff=442314110&oldid=442072335

Discussion concerning JerryDavid89

Statement by JerryDavid89

It's one revert for 24 hours right? More than 24 hours relapsed - so there's no violation. Right? Now, as for the accusation that I've used "anonymizing socks" or whatever, I invite any admin on Wikipedia to look up my technical details (if they have that facility) to verify that I haven't been using any additional computers. I have nothing to to with those 174. IP edits. Either they are just someone who agrees with me, or, judging my AnonMoos evidently unstable temperament, probably him trying to set me up so he could file this frivolous Enforcement Request. Will s/he be punished for this? (also AnonMoos, I'm female) (JerryDavid89 (talk) 06:20, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Whoops, I don't know what numbers I was looking at there. Math was never my strong point! I've self-reverted. JerryDavid89 (talk) 06:32, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

AnonMoos, would you be able to explain to us exactly what you mean by your "Arabic motto" on your userpage?: المتبرجة خير من الإرهابي المنتحر

Should I take that as a "no"? JerryDavid89 (talk) 08:30, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment by Sean.hoyland

I have to say, you look like a sockpuppet of a previously banned user. Are you ? You're female you say ? Ever been to Bisbee Arizona ? Sean.hoyland - talk 06:50, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

What the hell....? I'm not even American, and I've never been to Arizona! :-D Are people allowed to behave this way on Wikipedia??? JerryDavid89 (talk) 07:03, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for answering. Can you provide an honest yes/no answer to the part about whether you are a sockpuppet of a previously banned/blocked user ? I ask simply because you look like one to me. You're edits don't look like those of a new user. Sean.hoyland - talk 07:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

No. That much should be obvious. Have you seen how many mistakes I've made? I'm not your Bisbee, Arizona sockpuppet, perhaps you'd like to try someone else? Please go ahead. Fire away.

Now, in the mean time, can admin please address this? Surely there must be some kind of sanction for falsely accusing someone of being a sockpuppet? JerryDavid89 (talk) 07:28, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for answering. Now that you have answered that question there is no reason for anyone to ask you that question again because you are on record as having said no. That means that the only place this issue can legitimately be raised again is if someone files an WP:SPI report against you with evidence to support the case. Sean.hoyland - talk 07:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

You're weird. JerryDavid89 (talk) 08:56, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome to your opinion although it's not really pertinent or reliable. It's in your interest and other editor's interest in the topic area that someone ask you whether you are a sockpuppet of a previously banned/blocked user and that you answer it once. If it isn't me asking you here it will be someone else, somewhere else. Sean.hoyland - talk 09:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

"You're welcome to your opinion although it's not really pertinent or reliable." Lulz! When was the last time you took a vacation? Or left your computer alone for a few days or more? In short, I think you need to get a life. (not to mention a job!) JerryDavid89 (talk) 09:58, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment by Zero0000

JerryDavid89 edits in an arrogant uncooperative style that will cause endless dispute if it isn't moderated. Take this example [1] where her response consists of "You seem to be unaware of basic historical facts" and an accusation of lying. She seems to have one or two books which she copies out of with little understanding, consider "The [Zionist] movement effected British administration of the province during World War I, resulting in the Balfour Declaration of 1917", while everyone knows that the Balfour Declaration preceded the British administration of Palestine (which hadn't been a province since Roman times) by many months. Sometimes appears to have good sources, eg here but actually just copies them from her book (Rose) in violation of WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT (leading to an incorrect report of the source). Here we see her making a major edit without comment and marking it as minor. Zero^talk 07:33, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I've noticed a very disturbing pattern here. I edit an article to do with Israel-Palestine, and I'm immediately bombarded by reverts and accusations from several different editors with a very clear agenda, based on nothing, or almost nothing, whatsoever. Also, the double-standards, the brass-neck on these fellows. Take the above example, Zero says "an arrogant uncooperative style". Maybe there's some truth to that (but then so far, it has been difficult for me to take this whole process seriously, since Wikipedia seems so far to me to be more like a massive mudslinging contest than an encyclopedia project). But then in the very next sentence he says "She seems to have one or two books which she copies out of with little understanding". Oh, really? And then some added sophistry, due to the construction of a sentence of which I wasn't the author of! (Balfour/Mandate) Then he seems to assume that I don't have access to JSTOR and/or other online journals by his next comment. When I delete something, so far I have constantly been told "Assume Good Faith" - but my adversaries here seem to have done EVERYTHING but. I am quite confident that a coterie of editors in this subject area are exchanging emails for cooperation to further their agenda on Wikipedia. That's the only explanation I can come up with for this coordinated, extremely fast-acting harassment. JerryDavid89 (talk) 08:28, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Result concerning JerryDavid89

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