Talk:Revolver Ocelot

Regarding Ocelot's origins - in MGS3 call Eva on the radio a few times after the fight with Ocelot (near the crevice), and she will tell you that he is the son of a legendary warrior who gave birth to him on the battlefield (just like The Boss says about her experience later in the game), and that his father is also a legendary solider (The Sorrow).

I don't really think The Sorrow is a legendary soldier. I think Snake just said "What about his father, this legendary hero" because he assumed the father was the legendary hero.

relating to above

"He is speculated to be the son of two legendary members of the Cobra unit, The Sorrow and The Boss, with his year of birth being 1944."

why is it speculated? it's circumstancial evidence but it literally can not be anyone else. Evidence from series FAQ by advariAR:

" Lastly, to inform anyone who doubted, I am NOT pulling Ocelot's parentage out of my ass. There are several clues present, along with one irrefutable bit.

Firstoff, radio conversations with Eva can reveal a few points;

- Ocelot is 20 years old
- Ocelot was born on a battlefield at the end of WWII via c-section
- Ocelot's mother has a long, winding 'snake' scar
- one of Ocelot's parents was a legendary soldier

The Boss will explain her child's birth in the end;

- Her child is male
- her child was born on D-day, 1944, making him 20 years old
- she gave birth via cesarean section
- her child was stolen by the Philosophers
- she has a winding, snakelike scar from the delivery

Therefore, the Boss's child would now be a 20-year-old man in the employ of the Philosophers.

Come ON. "

Revolver Ocelot's real name

Ocelot's real name is NOT Adamska. Adamska is a Polish female surname, if I remember correctly. Ocelot just chose that because he wanted to hint that he was ADAM and still keep up the charade of being Russian.

I agree, this is speculation and a lie used by ocelot simply attempting to make his code name (ADAM) seem more russian! --The Pain 16:41, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Ocelot's birthdate

The article says that Ocelot's birthdate is June 6, 1944.

As far as I know, the Normandy invasion lasted more than just June 6th. According to Wikipedia's own article on the Battle of Normandy, the Normandy invasion ended on August 25th.

And The Boss said "In June of 1944, the Cobras and I were part of the landing of Normandy. We had been given a top-secret mission to locate and destroy enemy V2 rocket installations. I was pregnant at the time. The Sorrow was the father. I gave birth on the field of battle. A beautiful baby boy. But my child was snatched away from me...by the Philosophers."

Couldn't it (the birth) possibly have been on another date? Sure, I too believe it was on June 6th, but doesn't Wikipedia have to be encyclopedic?

Deleting an unconfirmed part

This part right here:

Further evidence lies in his ability to channel Liquid Snake through his arm, as The Sorrow may have passed on the ability to communicate with the dead.

I'm deleting it because it is baseless and unsubstantiated and is a fan-made "theory" with no official support. Until it's confirmed, this part is going to be stricken.

Yes, but if you take that out you need to take out the fact that it is highly likely that his mother was The Boss, as THAT is pure speculation. A better idea than taking that line out, since it does absolutely reinforce the theory, is to create a section at the bottom of the article called "What's the deal with the arm?" or renamed the birth section "Speculation on Ocelot's Origin". At least imho. 154.20.135.89 22:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)