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Moksha language and Erzya language are separate literary languages, that's why the plural form Mordvin languages has been used.--Termer (talk) 16:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Terminology translation

If anybody could help out with the Russian spelling of the official term "Mordivskie yazyki", that would be great--Termer (talk) 01:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mordivskije jazuki in latinized form. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.122.217 (talk) 11:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an official term in Russian but just a name for languages "subgroup" always used in plural 2 million returns in yandex.ru. Russian spelling is Template:Lang-ru: Template:Lang-ru and Template:Lang-ru e.g. Грамматика мордовских (мокшанского и эрзянского) языков, Саранск, 1962 Previuosly both in the form Template:Lang-ru and Template:Lang-ru

Мордовские языки, мокша-мордовский (мокшанский) и эрзя-мордовский (эрзянский), языки мордовского населения (см. Мордва) Мордовской АССР, Башкирской АССР, Татарской АССР, Чувашской АССР, Горьковской, Оренбургской, Пензенской и некоторых других областей BSE - Big Soviet Dictionary

Merger

If somebody is really (not jokingly) intends to merge Mokshan and Erzyan languages, pls explain why have not be merged yet Khanty language and Mansi language to Yugra. Why not to merge Karachai and Circassian to Karachaycircassians, Kabardins and Balkars to Kabardinbalkars? Last time this official initiative merging Erzya and Moksha into mystic Mordvin failed in 1970 and somebody used the term "languacide". This tag on merging is languacide too. --Numulunj pilgae 12:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Date of separation

If the Erzya language was made in 1922, then how come the first extensive publication in Erzya was publishe in 1821, namely the Gospel. The remainder of the New Testament was published in 1827. The first Grammar of of Moksha was published in 1838 by Ornitov in Cyrillics, and the first grammar of Erzya was published in 1838-39 by Gabelentz in the Latin alphabet, but based on the New Testament texts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.214.149.193 (talk) 11:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I presume this means the dates of 1922 and 23 refer to standardization. Before that, writings would still have been based on either variety or the other, but considered to be simply in the "Mordvin language". (I'm not clear on when Erzya and Moksha would have split, but it's probably before first written texts.) --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 21:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

merge proposal

I do not understand why would you suggest merging an article about a branch of a language family with an article about an administrative unit. Please see the Ethnologue, Languages of the World Language Family Trees, Uralic FFI. --Termer (talk) 01:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 The first Grammar of of Moksha was published in 1838 by Ornitov in Cyrillics, and the first grammar of Erzya was published in 1838-39 by Gabelentz in the Latin alphabet, but based on the New Testament texts.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.214.149.193|128.214.149.193]] ([[User talk:128.214.149.193|talk]]) 11:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 :I presume this means the dates of 1922 and 23 refer to standardization. Before that, writings would still have been based on either variety or the other, but considered to be simply in the "Mordvin language". (I'm not clear on when Erzya and Moksha would have split, but it's probably before first written texts.) --[[User:Tropylium|<span class="IPA">Trɔpʏliʊm</span>]] • [[User talk:Tropylium|blah]] 21:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
+== merge proposal ==
+I do not understand why would you suggest merging an article about a branch of a language family with an article about an administrative unit. Please see the [http://www.ethnologue.org/show_family.asp?subid=1109-16 Ethnologue, Languages of the World Language Family Trees, Uralic] FFI. --[[User:Termer|Termer]] ([[User talk:Termer|talk]]) 01:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)