Talk:Order of Assassins

A Winner of the September 2005 West Dakota Prize

This entry, one of an unprecedented 52, has won the September 2005 West Dakota Prize, awarded for successfully employing the expression "legend states" in a complete sentence.

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Al-da'wa al-jadīda spelled wrong in Arabic?

I always thought that in Arabic the adjectives come after the nouns but according to this article it's "al-da'wa al-jadīda (الجديدة الدعوة)". Al-da'wa means "the doctrine" and is spelled الدعوة and al-jadīda is equivalent to "new" and is spelled الجديدة. But because Arabic reads from right to left al-da'wa al-jadīda should read الدعوةالجديدة and not الجديدة الدعوة. Am I correct in saying this? I'm going to change it for now until someone either realizes that I'm mistaken or comments back that I'm correct.

Your correction on the order of adjective and noun are correct, but translating ad-da'oua as "doctrine" strikes me as quite peculiar. New Preaching, New Summons (in a religious sense), New Mission (as religious mission, e.g. missionaries), the New Call - these all strike me as decent translations, but doctrine? Where did you get that? (Collounsbury 07:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)).

Yeah sorry bout that i'm only recently studying arabic, but my main point was for the order of the words Mike 20:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Reference for this?

I have removed this line from the section comparing the Hashashin to Al-Qaida as I couldn't find anything to back it up.

Moreover, confirmed culprits so far for 9-11 and the Madrid Bombs were all drug-users.

Xebedee 18:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Would like to remove

I would like to remove the following text--or radically edit it:

The power of the Hashshashin was destroyed by the Mongol warlord Hulagu Khan, but several smaller sects remain to this day, such as the sect led by the Aga Khan.

Are we saying that the group that accepts Aga Khan are "Hashashin"? Or followers of Hasan Ibn Sabah, even?67.119.12.107 23:40, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Exhaustive

Informative and lively account of an interesting people

Even more exhaustive

Addressed 67.119.12.107's concerns. Added much interesting history, many wikilinks, carefully revised original text somewhat for style and consistancy. Started to introduce sources (The Crusades Through Arab Eyes by Amin Maalouf is highly recommended). Well done to whoever wrote the original body.

FYI

FYI In the next few days I'm going to completely restructure this article (as well as many of the Ismaili articles on Wikipedia). I've been studing the Ismailies (in particular the Nizariyyah) for a very long time, and I've got a lot of information to add to this article.

FYI, the best resources for the Nizari Ismailies is Farhad Daftary's "The Isma'ilies, Their History and Doctrines", and Bernard Lewis' "The Assasins" if you have any comments, feel free to add them.--Venerable Bede 03:15, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Also check out

I also suggest checking out Farhad Daftary's "The Assassin Legends: Myths of the Ismailies"

Attempted Conversion

If the Hashashin really had attempted to convert to Christianity, it was selfish and hypocritical of the Knights Templar if they had prevented them from doing so. Anglius

Casual Reader recommends for deletion

"However, assassination and terror are often major components of Arab and Israeli politics."

This is a strange mention. Whether or not assassination is universally employed to achieve political goals is arguable insofar as we define "universally".

Political terrorism is also not exclusive to Middle Eastern politics. Off of the top of my head, in Russia, Ireland/Great Britain, Indonesia, South Asia, Japan, many states in Africa, France, Germany, and Italy, terrorism has played a significant role in political struggles. It seems this statement is too topical. Yes, Middle Eastern terrorism is an issue of the day, but this formulation is inaccurate.---20 July, 2005.

Para on links with knights Templar

Don't really feel qualified to enter this myself but anyone with the right information could, perhaps a paragraph on the suspected Templar/Hashassin link should be added?