Talk:Lady Gaga

Jo Calderone

Jo Calderone redirects here, but there is no mention made of him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.171.161.129 (talk) 14:42, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Added. Portillo (talk) 03:02, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Jo Calderone is apparently an alter-ego of Gaga. He showed up in an issue of Vogue Homme Japan a few months ago , along with pictures of other models, presumably also played by Gaga. In early August, she released her single "You and I", which featured Jo on the cover. He has a twitter account which updates regularly, in which he and Perez Hilton profess their love for one another. . Last week, in an interview with her pals the Semi-Precious Weapons, it was revealed that Jo Calderone and Gaga are one and the same. At the 2011 MTV VMAs, she did an extended monologue, several press interviews, and all her host duties in character as Jo Calderone - a chain-smoking Sicilian Jersey-type mook who is Lady Gaga's lover. Thegeniusboy05 (talk) 03:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

And removed. This is pure WP:UNDUE. The notability of Jo Calderone as something substantial is still not established. It can be a one time thing and its just one day teh VMAs were aired. Have patience and see whether the alter-ego passes enough notability to be worthy of inclusion. A good example in this case would be Beyonce's "Sasha Fierce" alter ego which she carried forward for a long time and even administered it on her tours. This established the notability of the performance/enactment and hence there is description of it in the influence and public image. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Excellent points, all. I was just hoping to give context. I'm not very familiar with what constitutes notability for WP articles, but this didn't seem very notable. I just figured, from context, someone could discern this better than I. Thegeniusboy05 (talk) 17:00, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Legolas, see the comment above yours. The Jo Calderone persona is almost the entire focus of her newest single, he's a major subject in the video, he's on the cover of the single, he has his own twitter, he was in magazines, and Gaga did the entire VMAs in character as him. It's ALREADY been established not to be a "one time thing". It absolutely deserves at least a short blurb on the wiki.71.226.189.151 (talk) 13:27, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

You answered your own question and query. It's the focus of the new single, not something she's doing everyday. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:29, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

For one thing, trying to use part of the NPOV guidelines to disclude this information is an extremely weak argument at best, since it has nothing to do with pushing a point of view. But also, Gaga using this persona has been covered by numerous media outlets, making it easily notable enough for a single sentence mention in the article. Finally, there really needs to be something on this page to help the poor reader who types in 'Jo Calderone' without knowing who the character is and is redirected here. -- Fyrefly (talk) 19:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

The biggest issue I see for adding this is where in the article it would fit. I don't really think it belongs in the Born This Way section where it was originally placed. Has Gaga explicitly stated that the persona is linked to her LGBT stances? If so, I would think it could find a good home in that section. -- Fyrefly (talk) 19:57, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

It would be undue if a whole section was dedicated to Jo Calderone, but there is nothing wrong with a mention that she created an alter-ego. It doesnt matter if she uses the ego for her entire career or not, that still wouldnt change the fact that it should be mentioned in her article. Portillo (talk) 00:46, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

It would have to go into her Artistry section; but for that to be successful, Calderone has to be a recurring persona in Gaga's work (beyond "Yoü and I"'s music video) and must have a substantial amount of critical coverage. As of right now, JC has only been associated to the visual art (single cover, etc.) of one song. I don't even feel that there should be a redirect page for Calderone and I think it should be deleted. But that won't probably be the case. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 01:01, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

• I'm another vote for including some info about this, I came here looking for it and will have to crawl back to google to find out what the deal is. Aaadddaaammm (talk) 09:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

  If you're looking for info, go to Yoü and I. I do, however, think that there should be some info on the 2011 VMAs if there isn't yet. She won two awards that evening and performed with a member of Queen. Just one brief sentence for due weight. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 20:10, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Croatian Peaks

hey, i'm from croatia and i was interested if you'd like to put croatian peaks for Gaga's singles in discography. For Born This Way, Judas and The Edge Of Glory and You And I I do have source, but for previous singles don't.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO INSERT SOURCE. THE PAGE WHERE YOU CAN FIND A SOURCE (IF YOU'RE INTERESTED) google is: HRT Airplay Radio Chart Top 40. There you can see singles list on right side, and if you click on:

14. ožujka (march 14.) you'll see that Born This Way is number one and so you must find for Judas and other singles.

~~larlepene345~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Larlepene345 (talk • contribs) 13:54, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Any url? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:36, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

this is for Born This Way Single number one

http://www.hrt.hr/index.php?id=323&tx_ttnews[cat]=356&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=108458&tx_ttnews[backPid]=323&cHash=3621d67095

this is for Judas peak:

http://www.hrt.hr/index.php?id=323&tx_ttnews[cat]=356&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=120606&tx_ttnews[backPid]=323&cHash=f0cdb7dbd3

this is for The Edge Of Glory peak:

http://www.hrt.hr/index.php?id=323&tx_ttnews[cat]=356&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=125116&tx_ttnews[backPid]=323&cHash=1247ed4af4 then click onto "novi izvještaj Airplay Radio Charta od 1. kolovoza 2011. nalazi se ovdje" blue, and then open chart in microsoft excel and then youll see its peak is no6

Larlepene345 (talk) 20:02, 31 August 2011 (UTC)larlepene345Larlepene345 (talk) 20:02, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey say if i post too much here but why do you need a source for croatian peaks? I've been writing all of lady gaga's singles peaks, US, CAN; ... and croatian too.

just dance #4 poker face #1 eh eh #12 lovegame #3 paparazzi #9 bad romance #1 telephone #1 alejandro #1 born this way #1 judas #2 The edge of glory #6 you and i #61 (by now) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Larlepene345 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for these sources, but you're much better off putting this info on Talk:Lady Gaga discography, since that's where the other chart information for Lady Gaga is. Also, there's no need to create a new section for each post on the talk page. Just click the edit button next to the section title and add your response to the bottom of the section. -- Fyrefly (talk) 21:21, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, a glance at the discography talk page makes me think they probably won't add another country, since they already have 10, but it doesn't hurt to ask anyway. -- Fyrefly (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

New Main Photo

Lady Gaga performing 2011

The main profile photo is out-dated. I found some decent pictures over at Commons. What about these? - [1], [2] or [3]? They're all from 2011 and of good quality. --90.211.157.10 (talk) 02:54, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

The last one looks decent. Let's get consensus. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 12:02, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

1 and 2 are from 2010, and problem with #3 is that the hair covers her face, rendering it kinda hazy in high-resolution. Otherwise it could have been selected. :( — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

[4] - this one? It's from 2011 and of good quality. --90.210.203.110 (talk) 04:12, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Lady Gaga performing 2011.jpg is a possibility, but it would need cropping for use as an infobox photo, as her face would be too small otherwise.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm keen for an update- been seeing this photo for far too long. [4] and [3] both look acceptable to me. 123.211.207.158 (talk) 08:07, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I say that we go with [4]. Once it's cropped, it'll be perfect. --90.209.250.135 (talk) 12:35, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Since [4] seems to be the most popular, here is a cropped version.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:19, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

A similar image was present in the article, but was later consensized for the current one, since there were many users opposing the bra-panty attire. There in lies my concern with the option 4. Somehow I can't get one of her wearing that blue wig. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:23, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, there was a fuss about the "scanty" attire, but this is far from unusual. This image shows her face clearly, which many previous suggestions do not.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:31, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

If you get technical about it, then actually this image shows the face but distorts it. She was probably singing something which makes her lips appear pouted and her eyes closed. I would not say that's exactly clear portrayal of the face. And that fuss about the scanty attire will come back again if this one is used. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:39, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I think we need an image that reflects more her outré style - a picture with her teal-coloured hair, for instance. That picture is not a great one, IMO, firstly because it does not fully reflect her current look (it may be of 2011, but it reflects more of her late-2009/early-2011 Fame Monster-era style), and secondly because the outfit is not one which truly highlights Gaga's style. The one in the infobox at the moment needs to be changed, but I think the picture shown at the moment is not the best option--&レア (talk) 15:41, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

(←) Theologiae, I don't think an image of Gaga with teal hair would be appropriate for the infobox. Although she is known for her plethora of colored wigs, at the end of the day she's most notable for being a blonde.

How about File:Lady Gaga Hair GMA cropped.jpg? Recent, clearly shows the face, no weird distortion from singing, and shows her in one of her typically odd outfits for which she's notable. –Chase (talk / contribs) 17:25, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Looks OK to me. --90.209.250.135 (talk) 02:46, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

A biographical infobox image should ideally be in high-resolution which this one, after cropping fails. Problem with Gaga's recent images is that there's an abundance of it, but no quality ones. It's not impossible to get actually. I'll ask Shankbone if he shot her somewhere. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 18:13, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Guys, the photo is good. But still, in no way does it reflect her outré style. Just the usual monster era Gaga in her outdated outfit! Please get a more recent and colorful one which clearly represents Gaga in THE CURRENT ERA! Problem with her is that her looks change too fast, so the picture has to be updated every now and then! --HusseinIED (talk) 23:52, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I vote for the picture shown just above. Portillo (talk) 10:18, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Portillo, just get this in your head, Wikipedia does NOT go by vote, its a consensus among editors which leds to a decision. Obvious errors haev been pointed in the image above and a similar image was presented in the article before, which was removed for the present version. Hence the linked image cannot be used. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:38, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Legolas, I see you commented on this photo over at Flickr. The owner says it can be used in the article "The Edge of Glory" - its a fantastic image, which could work well in the infobox. What does everyone think? Here's the image: [5] --90.210.203.77 (talk) 17:12, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Picture

OK I'm sure this is the 100th time someone says this, but this picture NEEDS to be changed! In no way does it represent Gaga in this present era nor does it show her features clearly due to over-editing (seriously, it rather looks like a painting of the actual Gaga). It never reflected her outré style. So please whoever put this up and thinks it's the best photo of her ever, kindly note that at least 80% of those who view this page think otherwise. Also how much does it take to put up a "legacy" section? Just asking. --HusseinIED (talk) 10:23, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

We would if we could find a legitimate one. You have to understand that. I'll let someone else reply to your question about Legacy. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 11:25, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

That would be much appreciated, but might I ask how do you obtain such an image?--HusseinIED (talk) 20:51, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Look above. You're very welcome. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 19:27, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Genre(s)

Lady Gaga is essentially a pop/dance artist, but shouldn't the genres also include electropop or electronic as well? Nearly, if not all, her songs could fall within the electropop/synthpop categories. --&レア (talk) 11:38, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox_musical_artist#genre —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 17:05, 7 September 2011 (UTC)