:::Any articles that draw analogies to the American hikers charged with spying to people held in gitmo? This is major news, feel free to submit ITN about events relating to gitmo situations. [[User:Wikifan12345|<span style="color:#6E6D6D">Wikifan</span>]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Wikifan12345|Be nice]]</small></sup> 10:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Any articles that draw analogies to the American hikers charged with spying to people held in gitmo? This is major news, feel free to submit ITN about events relating to gitmo situations. [[User:Wikifan12345|<span style="color:#6E6D6D">Wikifan</span>]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Wikifan12345|Be nice]]</small></sup> 10:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
::What the hell? When did this become a discussion about Guantanamo Bay? And why?--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 13:16, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
::What the hell? When did this become a discussion about Guantanamo Bay? And why?--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 13:16, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''' We have a large segment of American readers that will be interested in this. Not the biggest deal in the world but of interest to our readers. @Jim Sukwutput you can boil anything down to insignificance by attributing events to human error and agenda. That's hardly a reason not to post a topic. The articles in good shape and there is world-wide coverage. [[User:RxS|RxS]] ([[User talk:RxS|talk]]) 13:53, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: Big news in numeous venues. Opposers to the execution include the Pope and former U.S. President Jimmy Carter. Article will need an update but otherwise seems in good order. Additional Note: Regarding several comments about the blurb, Here is a quote from the New York Times article I cite above - "...Mr. Davis became an international symbol of the battle over the death penalty and racial imbalance in the justice system." Jusdafax03:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Generally I don't support posting legal cases that have been sensationalized and blown way out of proportion. But this is a high-profile case, has been going on for more than twenty years, and has (possible) widespread effects on issues surrounding legal reform and/or death penalty abolition in the United States. So a vote for support. I would, however, replace "worldwide opposition" with something like "after a series of high-profile appeals and delays" or something of that sort. JimSukwutput03:35, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
CommentTelevision news in New Zealand reported today that the execution was stayed by the U.S. Supreme Court minutes before it was due to take place. Evidently, the stay of execution was for only a few hours. DeterenceTalk03:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I was just about to nominate this myself anyway, but it seems that "despite worldwide opposition" may be a violation of NPOV. I think something like this would be better: "Troy Davis is executed in Georgia, USA, after more than 11 years on death row."
An execution is nothing special and not a good use of ITN. The blurb for this case needs to stand out to show why it is remarkable, so at the very least one would have to name drop some of the prominent supporters of Davis. Resolute04:11, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Executing a man despite the absence of any physical evidence, after 7 out of 9 witnesses have recanted their testimony and after serious questions have been raised about the lack of competence and integrity of the police officers and prosecutors involved in this case, (due largely to the fact that the victim was a police officer). For a country that lectures the world about "justice", ad nauseum, this appalling case provides some notable focus on the true nature of the USA's justice system. DeterenceTalk04:02, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 7 out of 9 witnesses recanted testimony, no physical evidence, and they executed him anyway. However, I feel I cannot support as this is not the first nor last time such questions have surrounded an execution. This may be a more extreme case and the media has certainly drummed it up but I don't think it's actually that unusual, which speaks to many things but somewhat diminishes the notability of this exact execution. I do not expect this to have any lasting effect. States are not going to abolish the death penalty over this. As macabre as it sounds, I think this is only notable if he is indeed found innocent at a later date. N419BH04:12, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - This was, according to many, a horrendous miscarriage of justice. But let's be clear: that is not why this is significant. This particular execution was significant because of the international, very high profile opposition to this execution. Former president Jimmy Carter, Pope Benedict XVI, the NAACP, Amnesty International, numerous celebrities, and at least hundreds of thousands of people around the world protested this execution. Without a doubt, significant and of wide interest. Swarmu / t05:55, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding worldwide interest, this was one of the leading news stories in every English-based international media outlet I checked. However, the NAACP would object to the execution of a black man even if they knew he was guilty, and the Pope opposes all executions on philosophical grounds, so I'm not sure their positions carry much weight. DeterenceTalk06:38, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but we're not talking about being against this execution generally, we're talking about specific protests. The Pope doesn't specifically protest every execution that gets carried out around the world. And the NAACP doesn't specifically protest every execution of a black person. And perhaps it wouldn't be a big deal if it were just the NAACP, for example, but since the NAACP is joined by a former president, a former FBI director, the Pope, numerous civil rights organizations, numerous celebrities, petitions signed by hundreds of thousands around the world, it's significant. This isn't remotely the first alleged or proven execution of an innocent person, it's the high profile, extreme controversy that accompanies this execution. Swarmu / t07:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to POV concerns. The most fundamental description of the case is 'man found guilty; executed', which in not ITN worthy. I doubt there is any way to present a sub-issue succinctly enough for ITN without endorsing one side, and, while I respect that some of us may feel very strongly about this case and I am not going take a stand that he is guilty, after reading up on this outside of ACLU press releases I am not comfortable with supporting a blurb that must inevitably highlight a certain single point of view. We shouldn't be pushing a page onto ITN because we want to illustrate how "humans are barbarians". JORGENEV06:24, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While I agree that the blurb should be modified (see my suggestion above), let me just point out that "worldwide opposition" isn't just an interpretation but a very factual claim. Wall Street Journal (a reliable source that in its editorials have pro-death penalty leanings) reported this: "The U.S. state of Georgia executed Troy Davis on Wednesday despite high-profile opposition and an international outcry due to considerable doubts about his 1991 murder conviction.". JimSukwutput07:26, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "Man found guilty of offence receives the sanction determined by law" The crass inhumanity of that law does not change the fact that it has been in place for many years, and many verdicts of courts are contestable. Kevin McE (talk) 09:16, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Since time immemorial, injustice has been dispensed in accordance with the law. However, in the present case, the evidence and the law are at odds and the highest court in the land has allowed the execution of a man with this in mind. DeterenceTalk09:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - clear that this case has garnered far more worldwide attention than most executions in the US. But suggest different wording. Maybe simply refer to a "controversial execution", which surely can't be doubted. --FormerIP (talk) 09:58, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - A lot of the comments here are approaching this from a POV that the death penalty is inhumane, and by extension, this execution was wrong. Wikipedia is not here to push a POV. Executions happen on a regular basis around the world, and frankly I'm not seeing a lot of fallout here.--WaltCip (talk) 13:11, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I have mixed feelings about this one. Would we be considering this for an ITN spot if it was about a couple of Iranian hikers being released from the Guantánamo Bay concentration camp? DeterenceTalk01:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, if these theoretical "Iranian hikers" in Guantanamo were widely considered to be nothing more than political prisoners and their release entailed international mediation attempts, then absolutely. Of course, Guantanamo's a different issue entirely. Swarmu / t06:07, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The chorus of international criticism of the abuses at the Guantánamo Bay concentration camp has been deafening. There has been infinitely more international pressure regarding the detainees at the Guantánamo Bay concentration camp than has been exercised regarding the two hikers. DeterenceTalk07:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for reasons essentially given in the last nomination. Too much sensationalism involved and too little actual significance. Some hikers (or border guards) made a mistake, some section within the Iranian government decided to express their dislike of Americans by jailing them on frivolous charges, and then the entire American media and government took the opportunity to tell us how evil some foreign countries are. Ultimately, nothing important happened. JimSukwutput03:40, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand. Please explain how allegations that they were spying (against Iran) distinguishes this case from hundreds of similar cases (where detainees are accused of spying/fighting/plotting against the U.S.A.) at the Guantánamo Bay concentration camp. DeterenceTalk04:58, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Technically speaking they were not just accused, but actually tried and convicted of spying. (Though I wouldn't exactly say that a closed trial in an Iranian court is all that impressive.) Dragons flight (talk) 05:09, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Wikifan. This isn't just frivolous charges as a result of a mistake. The hikers claim that they were kidnapped, they were charged, convicted, and sentenced for espionage, despite the fact that, according to Amnesty International, "All available evidence strongly suggests that the Iranian authorities have known all along that these men were not spies and should have been released." Their release became an international issue with other countries trying to mediate. Ridiculous to suggest that this is a non-issue. Swarmu / t06:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The hikers claim that they were kidnapped, they were charged, convicted, and sentenced for espionage...", as compared to the detainees at the Guantánamo Bay concentration camp who were kidnapped, not charged, not convicted of any crime and face indefinite incarceration. As for being an "international issue", the breaches of the Rule of Law, the U.S. Constitution and basic Human Rights at the Guantánamo Bay concentration camp have been the focus of intense scrutiny (and criticism) from every corner of the world. Indeed, they were arguably Obama's primary election pledge for the 2008 Presidential election. DeterenceTalk07:04, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Any articles that draw analogies to the American hikers charged with spying to people held in gitmo? This is major news, feel free to submit ITN about events relating to gitmo situations. WikifanBe nice10:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support We have a large segment of American readers that will be interested in this. Not the biggest deal in the world but of interest to our readers. @Jim Sukwutput you can boil anything down to insignificance by attributing events to human error and agenda. That's hardly a reason not to post a topic. The articles in good shape and there is world-wide coverage. RxS (talk) 13:53, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Two American hikers, Shane Bauer and Josh Fattal, are set free on bail by Iran as a humanitarian gesture, after being detained in prison for over two years under allegations of espionage. (Chron)
Nominator's comments: The highest Russian political office for a woman for more than 200 years. Also many view this as an important factor in the upcoming legislative and presidential elections in the country. GreyHoodTalk12:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The article needs many more references. As for the relevance to the upcoming legislative and presidential elections of Valentina Matviyenko's "election" to this position, (amid allegations of electoral fraud), her Wikipedia article reads like she's nothing more than a puppet of Vladimir Putin. In which case, this development - yet more corruption to further entrench Putin's despotic authority over Russia by appointing another stooge - is not the least bit novel or surprising to any of us. That said, it is quite notable that a woman is appointed to such a prestigious position in a country like Russia. DeterenceTalk13:19, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propaganda clichés and drama language aside, you are technically right, she is Putin's man woman. That doesn't make her unimportant political actor of course, right the opposite. GreyHoodTalk13:41, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The topic of politics in Russia is one of those rare beasts where anything we write is inevitably open to criticism: if our analysis is critical then we are accused of bias; if our analysis is not critical then it is probably a lie. DeterenceTalk14:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is no need to approach Russian politics as if they were too much different from politics in other major countries. If we can use the normal term "political ally", there is no need to talk about puppets. GreyHoodTalk15:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Good for her and everything, but 'first female X' is only really worth posting if X is itself a major notable office. I can't imagine that we would post the first female Lord Speaker, Chairman of the Rajya Sabha, President of the Senate of Brazil or their equivalents in other legislative systems. First female President or Prime Minister of Russia would be a story, but Chairman of the Federation Council just isn't significant enough. Modest Geniustalk17:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fairly comparable position (in fact the Upper House of Russian parliament would be nominally even more significant). Also we did post the sack of the Moscow mayor Yury Luzhkov as a rare and major change in Russian politics. Matviyenko's appointment follows her resignation as a governor of Saint Petersburg, and she has replaced the former head of the Federation Council and the head of A Just Russia party, Sergey Mironov, thus giving Putin's United Russia control of all top political positions in the country (government and both houses of the parliament) except nominally independent president's office. GreyHoodTalk19:08, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support per GreyHood. If we should wait to post only a woman becoming President or PM, we'll post it either way by a simple rationale. The office is clear, and I doubt there is a misunderstanding what it really means with just saying that in Russia it's not so important as in the English-speaking countries. But the focus of the English-language media is apparently so much than it seems here.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:14, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support For a combination of reasons, above. We have neglected Russian news stories on ITN so that's one thing. This is a significant position, and First women to something something has recently been added after the Danish elections so it's quite timely doktorbwordsdeeds07:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support with possible blurb change - adds value to ITN, article seems reasonably updated (but a whole "disbandment" section would be better IMHO), wide ranging interest and that it's an FA. Suggest;
Members of US rock band R.E.M. announce they are splitting up after 31 years
I would guess their sheer longevity makes it fairly remarkable / noteworthy. I've no dog in this race however, and I take your point. Pedro : Chat 22:35, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Very influential and popular band back in the day. This will be of interest to fans and non-fans alike. Swarmu / t06:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Less than 10 hours between nom and posting, while Europe, Western Asia and Africa sleep, for a story that is by no means obvious, is unseemly and stands in marked contrast to the way that stories that received major news coverage have had to wait: Sikkim earthquake 25 hrs, Latvian election 72 hrs (although there were update issues) Pakistan floods 30hrs, Burhanuddin Rabbani 40 hrs and counting. I would also query as to how mainstream adult rock is considered a minority topic. For what it's worth, oppose, as for most non-fans, the only news in this announcement is that they have still been in existence since the mid 90s. Kevin McE (talk) 07:23, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
R.E.M. is not "mainstream adult rock" - that's like calling Radiohead a boy band. I don't know how "non-mainstream" you have to be in order to qualify for the culture criterion of minority topics, but given that R.E.M. were arguably the single most influential band in the indie rock scene for two decades, I can't think of a band more suitable than them. JimSukwutput07:33, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the minority topic status, we rarely post music-related topics of any kind, mainstream or not. The point of minority topics is to get more such stories posted.--Johnsemlak (talk) 07:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Just to add a post-posting support. I would expect any band which had existed for so long, and been such a significant part of world-wide music culture, to be considered for the front page. doktorbwordsdeeds07:27, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
An investigation by Russia's Interstate Aviation Committee into the fatal crash of RusAir Flight 9605 in June 2011 finds that the disaster, which killed 47 people, was caused by a combination of pilot error, an inadequate weather forecast and inadequate ground equipment. It is furthermore reported that the aircraft's navigator was intoxicated at the time of the crash.(Wall Street Journal)
Nominator's comments: Important judgement by one of the most important courts in the world. The claim that Russia misused the legal proceedings against Yukos has been widely circulated in Western russophobic circles and media - this decision will finally put these claims to rest: the court held "unanimously, that there had been no violation of Article 18... concerning whether the Russian authorities had misused the legal proceedings to destroy Yukos and seize its assets"[5] --Nanobear (talk) 17:00, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Err, it looks like things are more complicated than that, and both sides have claimed victory. The BBC article you provided begins "The European Court of Human Rights has ruled in a case between the oil company Yukos and the Russian government - but not come down clearly on either side. It dismissed claims that Russia had abused the law to destroy the firm, but found its legal rights were violated." and later "seven ECHR judges said Russia had violated property laws and the right to a fair trial in its handling of the company. But the court held "unanimously, that there had been no violation of Article 18... concerning whether the Russian authorities had misused the legal proceedings to destroy Yukos and seize its assets".". Also, the blurb is currently contradicted by the text in the article itself. Modest Geniustalk17:10, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment In the time-honoured fashion played out by all public officials trying to hold onto their positions and status, the ECHR sat on the fence to avoid unpalatable consequences. The ECHR would have lost credibility if they'd sided with Russia regarding some of the obviously legitimate legal concerns raised by Yukos; and the ECHR would have lost international prestige if they had awarded a $98bn judgement to Yukos because the Russian government would have simply ignored such a judgement. So, the ECHR gave a vaguely-worded final judgement - "no violation of Article 18... concerning whether the Russian authorities had misused the legal proceedings" - that doesn't actually follow from the numerous points of law won by Yukos.
Comment. As far as I understand, the court's decision was that Yukos property rights suffered in 2001, years before the destruction of the company in 2003. This is why the blurb is correct, and the earlier story was not that deeply related to later events. Leaning Support. GreyHoodTalk23:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Government of Slovenia
The government in Slovenia has been ousted following a vote of confidence.[6] The article with the best update is probably Borut Pahor but needs some more attention. I'll see what I can do later but I'd appreciate some help. --Tone16:53, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Mere receipt of a motion of no confidence is not notable. Such motions are routine (and even periodic) in most Democracies. The passage of a motion of no confidence is significantly more notable. DeterenceTalk22:01, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Borut Pahor, the prime minister's article has been updated. Technically, a fall of a government is not listed in the ITNR, a change of head of the state is, but that will most likely happen only after early election and it's months from now. I suggest posting now for that reason. --Tone13:47, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Having said that, I think the blurb should use the word "assassinated" rather than "killed" as it was a suicide attack deliberately aimed to cause his death. Mar4d (talk) 14:52, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support High-profile assassination of pivotal figure in Afghan peace-talks. Obvious long-term implications upon his death. World-wide media coverage. DeterenceTalk21:58, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If the reference maintenance tag gets sorted out, I'd be willing to post this, although the update is just a tad skinny as well. Ks0stm(T•C•G•E)16:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: This is a major milestone in civil rights history and military history for the United States. The article has a lot of information from the start to the repeal of DADT, which is good because the news articles don't have much information for younger folks on how DADT got started. --fmmarianicolon
Support This would have been an obvious ITN item if it hadn't already appeared in ITN when the Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010 was passed. Clearly, the passing of the DADT Bill was infinitely more notable than procedural technicalities such as the date of its implementation. However, the implementation of this Bill - which is in itself a decisive election issue in the USA - was unusually encumbered with hurdles and transition strategies that significantly obfuscated the date when gays would achieve equal rights in the US military, (this development could easily have been delayed until next year, according to the article). Those encumbrances make this date notable. DeterenceTalk07:25, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn't agree more. I can see why some editors might see this as old news, but it really is a new point in civil rights in the US military. IMO the blurb should be amended - gay is redundant if it precedes lesbian and bisexual. Sexual minorities is more formal and less wordy. Here is my proposal:
Oppose this has already been covered, and I do not see a reason why it should go up for yet another time when other items are rejected on the same grounds. --PlasmaTwa215:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The official end of DADT has not been posted before, actually, so I don't know what you're talking about. This is far more significant than some people here would believe. Major event in civil rights with implications that extend beyond the US military. Frankly, if Wikipedia was around the US military was desegregated (now recognized as a major historical event), and we didn't post it because of some made-up procedural red tape, we'd be fools. Swarmu / t16:42, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. We already posted this when it entered into law. The precise date of the implementation isn't really that relevant, notwithstanding Deterence's points. There's no need to post the same story again. Modest Geniustalk17:04, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Again, this has been posted twice (and nominated a few more times). I know this is really great and important news for many of the commentators here, but there's really no need to post it thrice - once for passing a bill, another time for passing the bureaucratic process, and finally again when implemented.. JimSukwutput02:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support - nearly 29,000+ results on Google News, of which about 2000 articles are recent ones, and it's been reported on all major news networks worldwide: clearly a notable news-piece. It's also a monumental event for the United States military, the most powerful in the world, and for the LGBT civil rights movement in the United States and the rest of the world, and I strongly agree with User:Swarm's statement. The US military is held with high regard in the United States, this event marks a major tipping point for the LGBT rights movement in America and that of the world. --Scientiom (talk) 13:26, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"It's also a monumental event for the United States military, the most powerful in the world"... pretty sure that in terms of personnel, China is #1. how many tipping points are there for same news? its already been posted twice. -- Ashish-g5517:16, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
An earthquake of approximately 5.8 magnitude, two lesser related quakes, and an accompanying series of landslides kill at least three people in a municipality 32 miles south of Guatemala City, Guatemala. (Huffington Post)
Comment Concur with King, though if Berlusconi does resign then it could be an ITN candidate. The scandal does seem to be getting a lot of press. I doubt a blurb like "The Prime Minister of Italy boasted of sleeping with eight women in one night" would gain a consensus. :D WikifanBe nice01:58, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Berlusconi has been embattled for years, his wife left him, that 17 year old girl calls him "papi" and now the leader of a G8, Nato and EU nation is charged with fraud and soliciting sex with a minor. That's a big deal, a much bigger deal than DSK who got plenty of front page attention before there was any sort of conviction. --108.132.169.195 (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Both articles specifically state that Berlusconi has NOT been charged. The blurb is recklessly misleading. As a further note, I will support such an ITN nomination if Berlusconi is charged with fraud and sex with a minor. DeterenceTalk02:47, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - I saw these floods on the BBC a few days back and was, based on their scale and effect, quite surprised to see their absence in ITN. — C M B J19:56, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but with reservations about the current state of the article. The article contains inconsistencies regarding the death toll (233, 270) and the number of people affected (5.3 million, 5.5 million), as well as numerous grammatical errors ("declared as an most dangerous one", "have killed many of infected people", "this disaster has been dangerous then 2004 Tsunami"). While there is no doubt, in my mind, that the topic is significant and we should post this item, I think that we ought to wait until the article is devoid of glaring errors and contradictions before adding it to the Main Page. -- Black Falcon(talk)21:58, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The different estimates may result from two things - 1. Some user updated one part of the article but forgot to update another part (easily fixable); 2. The data comes from different organizations. In this article it seems like the second case. I don't think it's a problem, as the estimates are pretty close to each other. Data for these casualties count are understood to be highly volatile anyway. JimSukwutput23:29, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Final of the European basketball championship between nations bordering each other on the Pyrenees (don't wanna jinx lol). (Note: This is ITNR.) –HTD17:15, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's already listed as ITNR, and is the strongest basketball tournament in Europe with large media coverage and popularity outside the continent as well.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support or opposition to the item is in addition to the need for an updated article. All support !votes are of course rendered moot until the article is updated, but there's no harm in voicing support for the item on principle. Except of course this one is on ITNR, so there's no need for support... Modest Geniustalk19:10, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I was legitimately wondering whether they were supporting a one sentence article, but now that an alternate has been raised, that point is moot. Swarmu / t21:37, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This article is in no shape for the front page. There's a total of 2 references in the whole thing and it's short..dominated by info boxes. At best it's written like a short news report, which is not what ITN is supposed to be for. RxS (talk) 03:45, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
This is indeed on ITNR, and should go up as soon as the article is suitably updated. However, at the moment the article is a stub, consisting of only one paragraph of prose, a few bullet points, a results table, and a single reference. It needs a lot of attention before it can be posted. Modest Geniustalk19:13, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
NotReady per Modest Genius. A bit of work is needed. Especially information on who actually won (coalitions formed, etc) with some detail on implications of outcome (upon Executive branch, etc) for readers who are unfamiliar with Latvia's system of government. Curiously, Nils Ušakovs is 35 and has led his party since he was 29, which is a notably young age for a Head of State/Government. DeterenceTalk21:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready. The article contains only the election table and no commentary on the significance of the results. By the way, should the blurb reflect the outcome of the vote-count (Harmony Centre winning a plurality) or the end result of the election (the formation of a coalition government and confirmation of a Prime Minister)? In light of the significance of this particular election result, I would support posting both updates, especially since we don't know when or if a coalition government will form. -- Black Falcon(talk)22:13, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
I'm definitely not looking forward to the heated discussion that's bound to ensue from this ITN item. Either way, I support based on its status on ITN/R.--WaltCip (talk) 17:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. The article has been improved. Marking [Ready?] (question mark because too few people have voted, otherwise this seems OK). GreyHoodTalk10:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
support article is good and earthquake is notable enough impacting and causing deaths in multiple countries (quite a bit too 50+). Removing question mark. -- Ashish-g5512:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Taxing the wealthy in the U.S. is always a charged issue. This item relates to the ongoing national debt crisis and is therefore newsworthy on a global scale. —Biosketch (talk) 13:51, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is just playing to the gallery, everybody knows it doesn't have a snowflake's chance in hell in the Republican House. Thue | talk14:35, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I think any American with a marginal knowledge of politics would agree with Thue. So, if it actually does end up getting passed, definitely worth revisiting. Other than that, its fate seems obvious. Swarmu / t16:53, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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