Talk:Dajare

Re: merge proposal

While I tend to lean toward merging regional synonyms if they are stubby, considering the length of this, I think it wouldn't fit very well in pun. Especially since other languages do not have their own section there. It would make more sense to add a short summary of it there and link this as the main article. I see no reason why we can't have separate articles on puns and Japanese puns, just as we have separate articles on beer and Japanese beer. Dforest 07:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Also see toilet and Japanese toilet - the latter is a featured article. Dforest 09:03, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that the difference between this article and Japanese toilet is that toilets in Japan (or at least, some toilets in Japan) are noticeably different from those found elsewhere, whereas puns are universal and there's nothing particularly special about Japanese puns compared to French, German or Chinese ones. I would propose that a section on 'puns in non-English languages' be added to pun, mentioning which languages they are common in and giving a couple of examples and some more information.

As for the length, all of the actual information in the article is in the second paragraph (puns are popular in Japan, they are commonly used in advertising, and they are associated with old men). The rest of the article either replicates pun or gives example jokes which I don't think are needed as the other article already has plenty of examples.

Anyway, that's why I put the merge tag, so people could reply and discuss this. Ironfrost 05:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that it would be a disservice to merge this and delete the examples of the puns. They give a bit of insight to the language and humor. Some of the can go (モルダーはすっかり忘れた, for example.) But to get rid of all the puns is like serving lemonaid without sugar. I also think that this article can be expanded upon a bit from some of the Japanese article, though not much. Might a "see also" be better. --Kunzite 03:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

When I came across the article in it's original form (it was horrible) I thought for a bit if it really deserved it's own page or not. I couldn't think of a clear answer then, so I just expanded it for the time being to give a better basis for existance. I don't want it to be deleted—I think that the major differences in how grammar and spelling work in the Japanese language make forming puns a rather different process, and they tend not only to be much more smartly created than they are in English, but they are so popular and commonly used (in all situations), it seems almost shameful to replace dajare with an article about something like puns which are such a relatively minor part of the English language. That's what I thought anyway.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  04:14, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

There was an edit conflict - I wrote the following before Freshgavin posted, and I haven't read his expansions to the article yet. I'll reply again in a couple of minutes, but I'll post this anyway:

There would still be plenty of examples to illustrate the subject - pun has quite a few examples in English, and I still don't think there's any difference between dajare and puns, so reading 'pun' would give a better overview of the concept.

From looking at the Japanese article there doesn't seem to be much content that can expand this article - apart from the examples and 'puns in non-Japanese languages' section, there are only two paragraphs of text, and from what I can tell (my Japanese is terrible), these seem to be more about puns in general than specific to Japan. Ironfrost 04:26, 27 March 2006 (UTC)