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The End?

Hey I've heard rumors that Fall Out Boys Latest Album may have been there last. Im guessing this was stirred up since Patrick is on his own solo time doing collaborations and Pete having a kid. This was pushed furhter when Pete stated on his Twitter account in a Q&A that asked "Hey can we excpect Fall Out Boy album by next year?" He said "The truth is I dont know. Folie a Deux may have been our swan song but we might have another one in us well see." Is Fall Out Boy disbanding? (FallOutBoyFan123 (talk) 01:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)) FallOutBoyFan123

AS of 11/20/09 Fall Out Boy is on an indefinite hiatus. This article explains everything.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/fall_out_boy_to_take_an_indefinite_break.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakeaffect (talk • contribs) 18:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Greatest Hits Album...

Might want to add that they're releasing a greatest hits album sometime in November. No date is set yet for the release, but it will also feature two new songs.

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1354271 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Livedeliberate (talk • contribs) 23:09, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

It will feature the complete version of the song "Alpha dog" which appeared on Welcome To The New Administration and a brand new song.--190.226.76.139 (talk) 21:54, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

• The main fan site —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.209.54.241 (talk) 22:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Fall Out Boy GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Fall Out Boy/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Starting GA reassessment as part of the GA Sweeps process. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

To uphold the quality of Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the GA criteria as part of the GA project quality task force. While all the hard work that has gone into this article is appreciated, unfortunately, as of December 1, 2009, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at WP:GAN. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GAR.

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

#:: History ...best friends, Joseph Mark Trohman and Peter Lewis Kingston Wentz III wanted to play songs by bands they listened to growing up such as Green Day and Descendents. Clumsy and ungrammatical.

1. I rewrote this to be closer to what it was when it achieved GA.

   Trohman met high school student Patrick Martin Stump in a Borders book store. Is Borders significant, why is it wikilinked?

   I removed the wikilink, but I left Borders. I think it helps illustrate the meeting better for the reader.

   The band received an advance from Island Records to record its proper debut, but the advance came with a right of first refusal for Island on Fall Out Boy's next album. But?

   Corrected this.

   it would take place with +44, Cobra Starship, The Academy Is... and Paul Wall as supporting acts. The show at Phoenix would be taped and become Fall Out Boy's first live album. Replace would with was. simple past rather than conditional.

   Corrected.

   and the song is currently on its chart run. Still? Replace with less specific timeline wording.

   Corrected. Also fixed similar issues with outdated wording (or the potential to become outdated) in other areas of the article.

   In general, the group has direct ties to melodic pop music,... What does in general mean?

   No idea, and none of it was in the provided source. I cut the whole sentence.

   Charity work Does this need a separate section?

   Removed.

   Lead: should fully summarize the article, please familiarise yourself with WP:LEAD.

   I restored this to be closer to what it was when it achieved GA. I'll expand with the more recent history soon.

   Thorough copy-editing throughout is needed.  Done

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

#:: Ref #12 is a dead link; ref #32 [1] is not RS; ref #33 needs properly formatting as news item from the BBC; ref #30 is a scan of a Rolling stone article, not RS, cite the print article if you like, but scans prove nothing; ref #32 redirects to band website; ref #35 - youtube is not RS; ref #27 is a social networking site, not RS; REF #34 is a blog, not RS; ref #26 is a blog; ref #25 is a dead link; ref #21 is a blog; ref #19 is a car sales site, not RS. Overall referencing is poor and poorly formatted, bare html should be properly formatted using citation templates.

1. The numbers are off now because of changes, but tinymediaempire.com (what was #32) is an RS. That's the website and blog post of the artist that did the cover art for the album, which is what is being referenced. So that's a primary source. Also, the personal blog of Pete Wentz would also be an appropriate primary source, but the site seems to have been taken down, so I've removed that. I think everything else has either been updated with archive info or removed, and all formatted. Going through now to replace dead links with new ones.

   Ref #11 [V] Vivid Seats is a full service ticket marketplace - not WP:RS; ref #23 looks as if it may be a WP:SPS, makes no mention of song appearing on a n album, rather on a DVD; ref #28 [2] doesn't support the statement, just a few lines of text; ref #31 suggests that it has been announced as "Blink and Weezer will be touring together this summer, and they're taking Fall Out Boy with them. ". Yet the article says thathey toured - past tense - tours are announced all the time, not all of them happen; ref #32 is a blog, which may or may not have been posted by the cover artist - not RS, please read the policy; ref #2 "Musicmight is a Rock database established online by Garry Sharpe-Young in 2001. Want to add information to this database? Just register - it's simple!" - not a RS; ref #5 Tv.com "Registration allows you to write reviews, participate in our lively discussions, and contribute to show, episode and person guides" not a RS; ref #34 is not a RS

2. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

3. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

4. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

5. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

6. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Concerns listed above, please focus on providing reliable and verifiable sources. On hold for seven days. Major contributors and projects will be informed. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:36, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

   Responses above from Lara ☁. 17:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

   Ok, the prose and style side is greatly improved, thank you. Just the referencing to fix. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:09, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

   They're all fixed. Lara ☁ 05:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

   I beg to differ, we have quite a few new unreliable sources. Please read up on verifiability and RS, consider statements such as "Articles should be based upon reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" and "How accepted, high-quality reliable sources use a given source provides evidence, positive or negative, for its reliability and reputation. The more widespread and consistent this use is, the stronger the evidence. For example, widespread citation without comment for facts is evidence of a source's reputation and reliability for similar facts, while widespread doubts about reliability weigh against it. If outside citation is the main indicator of reliability, particular care should be taken to adhere to other guidelines and policies, and to not represent unduly contentious or minority claims. The goal is to reflect established views of sources as far as we can determine them." and how they apply to many of the sources in this article. Until this article is reliably sourced it is not worthy of GA status, so I am delisting it. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Dubious section moved to Talk:Fall Out Boy#Dubious. Lara ☁ 04:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Dubious

Someone tagged one of the refs with the dubious tag but didn't start the obligatory discussion, so here it is.

While the reference for Wentz referring to the band as "pop-punk" is clearly a scripted video meant to be comical, this particular aspect of it doesn't seem to be a joke. This comment is made early in the video during the build up to the joke and appears to be a literal reference to their genre. Lara ☁ 03:39, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

It is a you tube reference, so fails WP:RS, hence the tag. Please address the referencing issues other wise the article will be de-listed. Jezhotwells (talk) 03:51, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I did address some, in the process of addressing others, but there seems to be a misunderstanding about what constitutes a reliable source. Certain websites are not automatically unreliable, just as certain formats (like blogs) are not necessarily unreliable. Primary sources, of which this YouTube video is, are considered reliable sources.

As an aside, I put this back under a level 2 header because 1/ it's relevant for discussion outside of the GAR regardless of how it goes, and 2/ the link on the dubious template automatically directs to this section, so it needs to be separate. Lara ☁ 04:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

The fact that it is YouTube does not make a reference unreliable. If the video is posted by a legitamate source, for example the official Fall Out Boy channel or their label's channel, then it may be used. This avoids copyright infringement, there is really no other reason not to use a video as a reliable source. If i get time I'll put some work into this page and help get it back up to GA. kiac. (talk-contrib) 07:14, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Semiprotected

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Please change "Chenney" to "Cheney".

 Done I've reworded the sentence to something clearer and more encyclopedic. There was no need to mention Cheney. Timmeh 13:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

On the Folie a Deux section, mention is made about the meaning of "America's Suithearts", supposedly from Wentz's mouth itself. "Wentz said at a recent concert in Sydney, Australia, this song is about the ongoing Bush administration." Citation needed, perhaps? Surf Wisely. -dolst —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolst (talk • contribs) 21:56, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

It says in the Believers Never Die: Greatest Hits section that the Madison Square Garden show was on September 27. It was actually on October 4th, 2009, and Pete Wentz did not exactly announce an indefinite hiatus, but that it would be "their last show for a while." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katinthehat1414 (talk • contribs) 21:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Please edit out the "indefinite hiatus." In this article (http://omg.yahoo.com/news/fall-out-boy-keeping-abreast-of-digital-revolution/28990), Pete explicitly states that the band is not on a hiatus:

"Maybe we will start recording again in two weeks; maybe it will be three years. I don't really know. There is no plan in motion at all and no one has said the "H" word (hiatus) no matter how many times people try to get us to say it. " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.153.33 (talk) 01:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Please change the genre of the band from Rock to Pop or at least Pop/Rock because their music is about as rock as Lady Gaga, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.114.232 (talk) 12:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

List of Tour Stops

This page needs a listing of the stops on their tours. Someone deleted the pages for the Believers Never Die tours that had it, but it's significant information. PrepJock101 (talk) 14:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Picture

My god, that picture is ancient. Someone please update with a more current one, with all the members in it actually. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.220.10.94 (talk) 03:43, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

?

what did they do that made every one thin they were a sell out? i dont think thats adressed in this article--65.2.10.12 (talk) 02:30, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Break Up?

Did Fall Out Boy officially break up? cause unless theyve stated its absolutly over then we shouldnt say its over. If it is we should update the article then. mrnintendoman (talk) 14:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

As of Feburary 3, 2010, the band has unofficially broke up. I updated the parts of the article that had not already been updated with such information. --Freaky Face Films (talk) 02:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

According to Andy Hurley and Pete Wentz they are still on their break and therefore are not in the band right now, as in they aren't in Fall Out Boy mode if we just back off and give them time they'll come back to being the band when they are ready.Bookbrace (talk) 18:38, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

So can we change it back to just break? Were misinforming the readers and probably scaring the crap out of 13 year olds everywhere mrnintendoman (talk) 14:52, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

As stated in the section below, I refreshed the "Unofficial Breakup" section and added new/more current information, which yes, does include the fact that band is technically again on "break" and has still not broken up. The indefinite hiatus has therefore been re-confirmed and that has been added in as well. Best of all, once more, the article starts with "Fall Out Boy IS" and not "Fall Out Boy WAS" :D --Freaky Face Films (talk) 04:42, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Pete Wentz offically quit the band the other day. He announced it on Twitter. Joe Trohman later went on to say that he quit to then twittered that he was just joking and he really didn't quit the band. I don't know if they broke up or just found a new band leader, all I know is, as I stated earlier, that Pete Wentz quit the band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChelseaDavis1901 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

To make it perfectly clear....

AND LET ME BE PERFECTLY FUCKING CLEAR!!!!!! FALL OUT BOY IS OVER! IM A DIE-HARD FAN BUT IM NOT A FUCKING IDIOT LIKE THE FUCKTARD WHO WROTE WHATS BELOW THIS. LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF HIATUS YOU MOTHER FUCKER!!!! WHEN BLINK-182 WAS ON HIATUS, THEY WERE BROKEN UP. PETE PATRICK JOE AND ANDY ALL SAID THEY WERE DONE!!!!! SO STOP BEING NAIVE AND CHANGE WIKIPEDIA SO IT SAYS WAS. IT PISSES ME OFF YOU BUNCH OF LITTLE FAGGOTS AT WIKIPEDIA WHO SAY THAT THEY ARE NOT BROKEN UP JUST CUZ YOU WANT TO BELIEVE THAT. YOU GAY LTTLE FUCKTARDS, GET THE DICK OUT OF YOUR MOUTH, STOP DEEPTHROATING IT, TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR BUTT HOLE AND EDIT THE FUCKING PAGE. FUCK YOU!!!! THIS WORD MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND AND MAKES EVERYONE SO FUCKING HAPPY.

Ok Lemme clarify something so it can be edited. FALL OUT BOY HAS NOT BROKEN UP!!!! Seriously theyre still on break. Pete Wentz was just in one of his moods, Patrick Stump was stating the obvious (cause noones in Fall Out Boy at this time DUH) and Joe trohman And Andy Hurley were simply kiding when they said they quit. Follow there twitters theyve said again and again that there still on break. Change it back to Hiatus and please erase the unofficial breakup section. Thank you. Heres a list of the links of tweets and articlaes where im getting my info from

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/hwood_party_girl/b166029_pete_wentz_fall_out_boy_on_break_not.html

http://twitter.com/peteWentz - keep scrolling down he has tweets saying there still on break

http://twitter.com/FUCKCITY - As does he

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSOXVTvZjQU - and in case you cant find them urself this girl points it out quite well

Fall Out boy are still on break. Please stop calling it an unofficial breakup.mrnintendoman (talk) 14:52, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I refreshed the article and particularly, that section with more current info that re-confirms the indefinite hiatus. The band is technically, as of right now, back on break. (Yay :P)--Freaky Face Films (talk) 04:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Pete Wentz offically quit the band the other day. He announced it on Twitter. Joe Trohman later went on to say that he quit to then twittered that he was just joking and he really didn't quit the band. I don't know if they broke up or just found a new band leader, all I know is, as I stated earlier, that Pete Wentz quit the band.

TO THE PERSON AT THE TOP, IF YOU WERE A DIE HARD FAN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT EVERYONE ELSE EXCLUDING PETE HAVE ALL SAID FALL OUT BOY WILL BE BACK, PATRICK SAID GIVE IT TWO YEAR, ANDY SAID THEY WOULD AND JOE SAID HE COULDNT WAIT TILL THEY WERE. PETE IS BEING A BI-POLAR IDIOT AND SOMEONE REALLY NEEDS TO CHANGE WAS TO IS, I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE ELSE THINKS, IM NOT ALONE IN THINKING THEY WILL GET BACK, THEY WILL MISS EACH OTHER. SO PLEASE GO AWAY! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrsbenzedrine (talk • contribs) 23:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hiatus date

Some users continue to change the infobox information from "2001 - 2009 (hiatus)" to "2001 - 2010 (hiatus)". This is incorrect; Fall Out Boy announced a hiatus in late 2009, following their US tour with Blink-182. After rumors were started about their "unofficial breakup", the band confirmed the hiatus was still in place -- NOT start a new one. This is getting a bit frustrating, and I am wondering if it is at all possible to have some in-text edit deterrents to the code for the article to let users know not to change that information. Any other ideas are greatly appreciated.

WereWolf (talk) 02:01, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I would agree, and I wouldn't say that it would be a problem to add a comment in the years active field like you suggest. —Akrabbim^talk 03:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

fall out boy

You little shits need to calm the fuck down. Fall Out Boy is dead and gone. Time to move on the newer shit emo music this society has produced. I find it hilarious that this page is protected so that anonymous users can't edit anything. What a bunch of babies.

fall out boy is on break not a hiatus so stop putting lies about them online its bullshit!!!! pete said they would be back witch means they will be back!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.9.10.44 (talk) 01:46, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

See Hiatus. "On break" and "on hiatus" are pretty much the same thing. —Akrabbim^talk 03:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Arguably a band 'on hiatus' is suspending operations entirely (often while band members are pursuing independent projects), whereas one simply taking a 'break' just isn't touring at the moment. It's a subtle difference, but a valid one. 99.174.234.211 (talk) 13:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Also the first two sentences of this article don't seem to make sense. 'Fall out boy was an american rock band/The band consists of'. Also, as far as 'was' goes, they haven't officially broken up yet. This should be changed to 'is'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sophhmeatsix (talk • contribs) 11:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Second paragraph

On both February 4, 2010 and February 6, 2010, the band's current status was made more clear and the break (not breakup) was re-confirmed. This is not a very well worded paragraph. Could someone fix this?.
Also this paragraph,
On November 20, 2009, the four band members announced they will be taking a break, an indefinite hiatus for the time being. "We don't know the future of Fall Out Boy!" said the four band members. Bassist and lyricist Pete Wentz has said that his personal reason for taking a break is that he feels that his name and marriage to pop singer Ashlee Simpson had become a hindrance for the band. He added: "I think the world needs a little less Pete Wentz", could probably be better written.
123.100.61.101 (talk) 08:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Pop rock

It seems fine to tag them as 'pop rock'. See "Fall Out Boy fans can expect even more polished pop rock from the multi-platinum group" at apple.com for just one example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.120.4.2 (talk) 16:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Members bit at the bottom of the page

Someone has changed the Members bit at the bottom and put all the band into 'former members' this isn't right as none of them has technically left the band and Joe, Andy, Patrick and Pete needed to be put back into the 'Members' catagory like they are at he top of the page, because if it is putting them as members at the top of the page, why not at the bottom! let me just get this clear with you, they are all still in the band and until there is an official announcement saying otherwise they stay as members —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.163.253 (talk) 19:35, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Technically, as long as the band is inactive, none of the members are really current members—whether it's a hiatus or official break up. When a band enters a hiatus or breaks up, some editors like to change "Current members" to "Former members" until the band reforms as no members are currently contributing to the project. In other situations, it may be better to change the current members headline to either "Final lineup" or "Lineup before hiatus." Would either of those alternate wordings be better for this article? Fezmar9 (talk) 20:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

to be perfectly honest i think if they are classed as members at the top of the page they need to be classed as members at the bottom, im only saying something because it has been upsetting a lot of people since it has been changed. honestly i would never class them as former members only if they really left the band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.163.253 (talk) 06:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Is/Was Debate

This whole "Fall Out Boy is" VS "Fall Out Boy was" fight going on in the first part of the article is ridiculous. We have established that they are on an indefinite hiatus. Thus, they aren't fully broken-up and definitely not in the past. With that being said, they aren't currently making music. I have decided to attempt to end this crazy debate by re-wording it as "Fall Out Boy is a currently inactive American rock band..." - This change makes a lot of sense and should please both sides. Unless a specific and understandable reason is stated here, please do not continue to mess with it. It makes people on tumblr cry, lol. --Freaky Face Films (talk) 22:08, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Best known for????

The following paragraph, aside from lacking proper citations, is just plain retarded (IMHO):

They are best known for their single "This ain't a Scene, it's an Arms Race", from the platinum-selling Infinity On High album. [3] However, Fall Out Boy's major mainstream fanbase was also derived from the single "Thnks fr th Mmrs", also from the same album.

I would remove it, but thought I should try writing about it first. Aside from just sounding ridicules, I have no idea how a "fanbase" can be "derived" from a song. And to go so far as to claim that it's true for the band's "major fanbase" is just plain wrong.

# Ido50 (talk to me), at 17:18, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I've since changed it, I agree that it doesn't sound right. Now I added Fall Out Boy's best selling single, "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" and their other notable songs. I think it's good to put in some of their popular (demonstrated by their selling) songs in the background information section. This is for new people to quickly see what the more popular Fall Out Boy songs are, so they can check them out and maybe like them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noreplyhaha (talk • contribs) 09:12, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Noreplyhaha (talk) 10:05, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Vocalist Patrick Stump disconfirms Fall Out Boy break-up

On March 2, 2011, Patrick Stump, vocalist of side project Soul Punk and the supposedly broken-up Fall Out Boy, disconfirms the alleged hiatus on Idobi Radio's The Gunz Show.

The Gunz Show - Interview with Patrick Stump
(Patrick Stump acknowledges the alleged break-up at 06:57 into the video. He is quoted saying "Fall Out Boy never broke up" at 07:09).

I would make the edit myself, but I am not currently privileged enough.

Thanks! Jacobso4 (talk) 05:56, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I would add it, in google news there's a source too, but I'm too busy...but it should be noted in the article.

Could you write it up in this Discussion page, then tell me where it should go in the article, and I'll put it in. Noreplyhaha (talk) 10:55, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Musical Style

I think that it should be noted that Fall Out Boy's musical sound and style were different in all their albums. Evening Out was pop punk, Take This to Your Grave was pop punk, From Under the Cork Tree was pop influenced pop punk, Infinity on High was more pop rock, and Folie a Deux was different...I can't explain how Folie a Deux is different, but if someone could, then I think this article needs it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noreplyhaha (talk • contribs) 10:54, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Year-end Charts

We need to add to Fall Out Boy's albums and songs pages all their year-end chart positions. Could someone do this? I think it is very important for this to be done in order to relist Fall Out Boy pages as "Good" articles. Try the Billboard website. Thanks! Noreplyhaha (talk) 05:17, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

"Fall Out Boy Getting Back Together" section

I'm not sure if this section is really necessary and I'm not sure if this only source http://www.nme.com/news/fall-out-boy/56658 is reliable...Patrick Stump's quotes may have been taken out of context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noreplyhaha (talk • contribs) 03:08, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to get rid of this section in the article. I asked Patrick Stump on twitter and he said "NME's full of...", "We'll be back when we're back". What he meant was that he did not want to make more Fall Out Boy music if he was like 40 years old. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noreplyhaha (talk • contribs) 09:44, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Citizens for Our Betterment (2008)

Should we keep or remove the "Citizens for Our Betterment (2008)" section in the article about the band's viral campaign? Currently it's removed but I would like to discuss an editor's choice of removing such a large section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noreplyhaha (talk • contribs) 07:28, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Brandon Hamm

Brandon Hamm was an early member of the band. On May 2, I added him to the list of past members. On May 15, user Noreplyhaha removed him and said this: "Brandon Hamm wasn't in Fall Out Boy. He played a few shows in their early days, but wasn't part of the band." I don't understand what this user means by playing shows but not being part of the band, and I would like to add Brandon back onto the list of past members. --Taylornate (talk) 23:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I have added him back along with my original primary source citation. I acknowledge that ideally this would be confirmed by a secondary source, but given that the user who removed him acknowledged Hamm's participation in the band, I think it is reasonable to add him back in for now.--Taylornate (talk) 23:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I had asked Patrick Stump on Twitter before I removed Brandom Hamm as a former member. Patrick Stump's words are "Yes, [Brandon Hamm] played guitar for a couple shows (but was never actually a member of the band)". This was my reasoning for removing Brandon. He was involved in the band, but he is likely a spare guitarist who filled in for a few shows. I am pretty sure he wasn't involved in making any music or lyrics, but rather just played guitar for a few shows in the band's early days. I can post a screenshot on the internet if you want to see, as I would like to remove Hamm from the "Former Members" section. However, I think he should be included in the band's "Early days" section. Also, TJ "Racine" was not in the band for very long, and the band was between drummers before current drummer Andy Hurley joined. The band's first line up was Patrick Stump, Joe Trohman, Pete Wentz, and Ben Rose (drummer for three or four shows). -All this information came from Patrick Stump. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noreplyhaha (talk • contribs) 06:18, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

It is my understanding that Hamm left the band on poor terms, they prefer not to acknowledge him, and he did participate in songwriting. He was not filling a temporary position rather he quit on his own accord so he could go to college. This is from my conversations with him. If you have questions for him I could probably get them answered. As to what constitutes "membership", it seems like meaningless semantics to me, but I'm an outsider to the music business.--Taylornate (talk) 04:18, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

You've discussed with Patrick Stump on Twitter? What did he say? Can you copy paste? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noreplyhaha (talk • contribs) 05:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion. I've discussed with Brandon Hamm.--Taylornate (talk) 11:12, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh never mind the confusion haha! I'm a diehard Fall Out Boy fan so I want to know more about their early days that no one knows about. How did you contact Hamm?Noreplyhaha (talk) 05:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

He is a friend of mine.--Taylornate (talk) 16:05, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

All in all, do we remove Brandon Hamm from the page? He played guitar, but wasn't that Joe Trohman's job, or was Hamm the rhythm guitarist? He left on poor terms though, so does he ever contact the current band members? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noreplyhaha (talk • contribs) 06:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Unless you can come up with a new source, it needs to be removed. The current source is self published, you should have a look at WP:SPS. - Jer757 10:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. See WP:ABOUTSELF.--Taylornate (talk) 11:17, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Take This To Your Grave

The sngles pages on Take This To Your Grave are Unavailable, Could somone work on that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.146.111 (talk) 08:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure each individual song is notable enough to have its own article.--Taylornate (talk) 10:15, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Singles "Dead on Arrival" and "Grand Theft Autumn/Where Is Your Boy" are fine, but "Saturday" links to the album Take This to Your Grave because no one made a page for it.

name origin

once there was this little boy, he fellt out of an plane just seconds after he was born so his parents named him fall out boy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.107.167.144 (talk) 19:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Improvements

Images

• We need a good concert photo that has all of the boys in it to replace the current infobox image which has only three in view, Andy Hurley the drummer is missing The image can not be copyrighted in anyway... no rights reserved.
• Screen shots for each music video on their respective page would be really good.
• Lead singer Patrick Stump needs a new, more recent picture that reflects his dramatic weight loss.

Audio

If anyone has any experience in sample boxes, that would be a great addition for this article. "Dance, Dance" and "This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race" are definite needs, as are "Sugar We're Goin Down" and "Thnks fr th Mmrs". Currently, the only audio sample is "Beat It" which is a Michael Jackson cover, not an original Fall Out Boy song.

I really only think "Sugar, We're Goin Down" needs to be sampled here, as it is likely their most well-known song (it pulled them into the mainstream). Others would be helpful, however, in showing the evolution of the band's sound. 74.5.138.72 (talk) 04:25, 27 September 2011 (UTC) Glambert4688

"Sugar, We're Goin Down" did pull the underground and unknown Fall Out Boy into the mainstream, but arguably "Thnks fr th Mmrs" is their most popular hit. There's an uploaded sample for "Sugar..." on its Wikipedia page, we could use that, but what do we write for the text under it? (See Infinity_on_High#Music) Noreplyhaha (talk) 13:12, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Expansion of information

• Expanding "2001-2002: The beginning" would be good. However, I am unable to find articles that talk about the band's early days and lineup changes. TJ "Racine" was not in the band for very long, according to Patrick Stump when he talked to me on Twitter. Also, Andy Hurley was good friends with Pete Wentz ever since he was 16, and Fall Out Boy needed a drummer for a show, that's when Andy came in. I'm not sure if he joined full-time right after that, his response on Twitter had a double meaning.

Sales totals

Does anyone know where sales totals for each Fall Out Boy album and single can be found? "From Under the Cork Tree" has sold 2.5 million copies in the US according to Billboard, but that source is way dated from 2007, and I think it should be well over the 3 million mark by now. "Infinity on High" is certified Platinum for over 1 million shipments, but I can't find anywhere a figure of actual sales totals, nor singles.

Good Article status

How far do you think this is away from Good Article status? It used to be GA. The body paragraphs go on too much about the commercial success side and not the history... Noreplyhaha (talk) 02:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)