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August 2009

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, as you forgot on your recent edit to Calatayud. Thank you. No good reason supplied for removing teh Arab name which is the origin of the modern Spanish name Jezhotwells (talk) 22:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reference on Arenys de Munt query on Catalonia independence

The use of this reference was wrong. 41 is the percentage of the voting population (the potential voters- 6517 people) who voted (2671 people), while 33 is the percentage of the Arenys de Munt population (potential and non-potential voters) who voted (2671 people), out of the 100% villa's population. --Judesba (talk) 13:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gironès

Hi there! Could explain the reason for this edit? You had already done it some weeks ago and I had to correct it. I tried to explain in the edit summary that the first link you wrote is incorrect, since it does not correspond to Consell Comarcal, while the second one changing the domain .cat to .es uses an alternative alias for the same site which forces an unnecessary redirect. I have corrected again. If I got something wrong, please let me know. Cheers! --Carles Noguera (talk) 22:42, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry. I thought the "true" address was the .es one. --Belchman (talk) 12:35, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

For going on past your final warning I have blocked you. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 22:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you're a good admin if you're so aggressive and do things without thinking much. I've been warned for one "insult" and I haven't called names since then, yet you "block me indefinitely from editing Wikipedia". Not that I care much, but I'm sure that I could help more than one person here, and that includes telling users that create a poisonous atmosphere at the RD such as User:Baseball Bugs that they should stop such behavior. --Belchman (talk) 22:41, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You went on to shoot the word arrogant; now you continue to be uncivil. I do feel that some leeway is better but WP does not operate on those terms. However, another user is taking the view that your block should be reduced and I have said I will not stand in his way, so you may well find yourself able to edit in a week or so. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 22:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I reduced your block to 5 days. Any more incivility will lead to an increased block length. AniMate 22:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's okay by me if a levelheaded admin feels I should be temporarily blocked, I'll wait patiently. Nevertheless I still think that you guys should do something with people that don't cross the line of incivility clearly with obvious insults but keep being arrogant and misuse parts of Wikipedia. Also, admin User:Blood Red Sandman blocked me indefinitely for using the word "arrogant" which is, in his opinion, name calling (which is what I was warned for). In my opinion I didn't go past my final warning because I didn't insult again, it's just Blood Red Sandman that is too aggressive. He called my last reply "uncivil" for no reason, too. He also seems to lack understanding of basic Wikipedia policies but I can't assure that. See you in 5 days. --Belchman (talk) 23:06, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Describing someone as doing things without thinking is uncivil. My policy knowledge is perfectly fine, thank you. Also, describing someone as aggressive is uncivil too, to my mind; at least it is given the circumstances. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 23:12, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Users at Wikipedia should be cool as a cucumber, and admins much more. --Belchman (talk) 23:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is true. Calling another editor "arrogant" doesn't help lower the temperature. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 23:16, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unblocked

Having slept on this, I've decided to reduce this block to 24 hours. So, your time has been served. You were without a doubt rude and insulting, and that kind of behavior isn't tolerated and won't be tolerated again. Still the incident was far from the worst I've seen, and others have had much shorter blocks than you. Anymore instances of incivility will result in longer blocks. From here on in, treat other users with respect, and if you feel you cannot, avoid interacting with the user who annoys you. AniMate 21:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Heck, you should have said this before. I've auto-blocked myself for 4 days now :) --Belchman (talk) 13:22, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

recent edits to this page

Do you have any idea why a blocked user's sockpuppet account made it's very first edit to your talk page? [1] He acts like he knows you, despite the fact that he's been blocked since before you ever edited Wikipedia, so it seems kind of odd. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:08, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have absolutely no idea who that guy is, but his name, being a Spanish translation of "Baseball Bugs" is kind of funny. On the other hand I've been editing Wikipedia since 2004 but I don't like having the same name for so long. Why do you say he acts like he knows me? Can you provide some information about him? --Belchman (talk) 01:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was an impostor account trying to draw attention to falsely impeach y ou. I've got a "fan" or two that crawl out of the muck once in awhile and do that kind of thing, usually trying to get someone else in trouble - like yourself. They're not fooling anyone, at least not for very long. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I only say that because of what I mentioned before: he created a sock, and the first thing he did with it was to come here and "offer you help" as if he had some reason to believe you needed/wanted help or from him, or maybe just wanted to "announce his return" as he did with several other users, at least one of which he did have substantial interaction with in the past. The original account was User:Axmann8, who I had a long unblock discussion with a few months ago. Just to be clear, I'm not trying to make some kind of backhanded accusation here, just trying to figure out why he picked you. It's often useful when dealing with block-evaders to understand their pattern. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:29, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My assumption is he picked Belchman because we had recently had words with each other, so he decided to impostor me and try to fan the flames, trying to get one or both of us blocked in the process. That's his pattern. I'm not saying you shouldn't run a checkuser against my Spanish "doppelganger" (which, if he had half a brain, would have used "loco" instead of "insectos", because that's what "Bugs" means in this context), just to clear Belchman and also to confirm that it's Axmann8, unless you've already done that. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

His mysterious and out of the blue offer of "help" for some reason reminded me of that Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns, disguised as an alien, brought people "love". --Belchman (talk) 01:38, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! I love that one. I want a "Homer is a Dope" t-shirt. Anyway, I think Bugs has it right, it was probably more about stalking him than you. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:39, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree that Baseball Bugs is almost surely right. --Belchman (talk) 01:44, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There was a recent sock that talked about "love". I've gotten to the point where I assume that all socks are created by just one guy - i.e. that PCH and Axman and ItsLassieTime and Censei and them others are all the same guy. It makes things simpler. (So much for WP:DENY) :( ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And don't call me Shirley. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I must admit that I enjoyed back in the day reading those special pages we had about notorious vandals, such as Willy on Wheels, MARMOT, Milkman and the pelican shit guy, but it's pretty obvious that almost all of them do it just to become (in)famous in the Internet. WP:DENY is, indeed, very important. --Belchman (talk) 01:55, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, he's back again, what have I done to deserve this? :D --Belchman (talk) 02:00, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeh, he's back as "Calcetín", which is Spanish for "Sock". He's about as subtle as the Three Stooges on espresso. He went to Censei, since I mentioned him. Maybe I should mention someone else. Hmmm... maybe User:Jimbo Wales? I bet Jim has a sense of humor about getting vandalized. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:12, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pau Claris i Casademunt edit

I'm slightly confused by this edit. Your edit summary says you are reverting ridiculous POV pushing, but to my eyes it looks like you've just reduced the readability and sensical-ness of the sections edited.

Is this a mistake, or is there some separatist meaning to:

"While it is possible that his education may have been more extensive, it is only clear that Claris received a doctorate in civil law and canon law in the University of Barcelona."

that is missing from:

"There is a lack of studies Pau Claris, only know that his doctorate in civil law and canon in the University of Barcelona, which studied the race for the period between the 1604 and 1612."

?

Because it looks, to me, like the intended meaning of both is the same, with your version being considerably less clear and grammatical. What am I missing? 86.164.57.20 (talk) 22:11, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Errr... honestly, I don't know. Maybe I was on something when I made that edit. --Belchman (talk) 09:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okee doke, happens to us all :) Just glad to have cleared it up. 86.164.57.20 (talk) 17:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

turnout for the BCN march

The lowest estimate is ridiculously low: 56,000 people is fewer than one person per square metre on the Passeig de Gràcia alone, when we have multiple sources saying that there were many more. I'm not accusing Lynce of political bias – they also produced a ridiculously low figure for an anti-abortion march in Madrid – I am merely saying that their system of counting obviously doesn't work. The vast majority of reliable sources have quoted figures of around a million for the turnout, and the article also quotes the estimate of El País which is about half that number (even though their estimate has a huge error in the capacity of the Gran Via barcelonés). If you continue to include a discredited source without discussion then I shall assume that I am reverting vandalism and not good faith edits. Physchim62 (talk) 16:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellaneous reference desk

Hi. Why did you modify my comment that answered a question asked at the Misc Refdesc? If you find a comment inaccurate or misinforming, you can correct it with another comment below, but as an accepted rule you shouldn't edit other users' posts, unless there are formatting errors that impede the readability. Moreover, I don't think my comment was inaccurate, because I cited sources to support what I said. Please don't do that again, but instead discuss whatever you should find dubious. --Theurgist (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, in that case, I'm sorry. I just wanted to correct a mistake in your reply. I thought that since this is the Reference Desk, and your references said that it certainly didn't mean "lots of laughs" - which is a widespread myth among non-English speaking people - I could fix your reply quickly. Again, I'm sorry if this has caused inconvenience. --Belchman (talk) 15:34, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's OK. :) Those who answer Refdesk questions can also sometimes make mistakes. But in that particular case what you corrected was not actually a mistake, because this article, this Wiktionary entry and this Urban Dictionary entry all list a load of possible meanings, which do include "lots of laugh(s)". Internet slang is usually not subordinate to any regulation, and a certain sequence of letters can be used to express many things. But really, when posting comments on comment pages such as the Refdesks, strongly avoid revising anyone's comments (except your own ones), and instead explain about the existence of an unpunctuality with a comment of yours just below. Only if the error is enormously conspicuous, you may take the liberty of fixing it, however, not forgetting to again report this below, like this:

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== Section title == == Section title ==

- This statement is completely wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] {[[User talk:Username|talk]]) HH:MM, DD Monthname YYYY (UTC) + This statement is completely correct. --[[User:Username|Username]] {[[User talk:Username|talk]]) HH:MM, DD Monthname YYYY (UTC)

+ :I corrected a conspicuous mistake in the above comment. --[[User:Belchman|Belchman]] {[[User talk:Belchman|talk]]) HH:MM, DD Monthname YYYY (UTC)

Cheers! --Theurgist (talk) 19:36, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, even if you change your own, unless it's just to fix a minor spelling, grammatical, or punctuation error within a few minutes after posting, you should ~~strikeoute and circle~~ strikeout and underline the changes to show that you have changed the text. Others may have read it and replied to it (or even referenced it on another page) subsequent to your initial post. Changing it can lead to confusion and the appearance that the other editors are misquoting you.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 08:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Italian men

Please withdraw your unsourced claim at the Ref. Desk. about "almost certain" homosexuality. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 14:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You don't know much about Italian culture, do you? In Italy it'd be very hard to find two people holding hands unless they're in a romantic relationship - actually, it's a bit like they're saying: "hey, we're a couple" while walking down the street. I'm not saying it's impossible, it'd just be very hard. And same-sex couples are usually gay, aren't they? I honestly wonder what's your problem with that. I know it's unsourced, so take it with a grain or two of salt. --Belchman (talk) 15:54, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RD/C

That above warning about personal attacks is nonsense. I thought it was a stupid joke when I read him claiming to have warned you on WP:RD/C. Your comment "Thanks to everyone but Ludwigs2, of course" is in no way a personal attack and is a very understandable stance considering the user in question removed part of your post and gave nothing helpful to your question. Feel free to remove the warning per WP:TALK "Users may freely remove comments from their own talk pages". It's quite frankly absurd to suggest you're required to thank a user who was unhelpful to you. 82.44.55.25 (talk) 23:18, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, 82.44. --Belchman (talk) 12:18, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Corrections

You say you welcome corrections, so (in that spirit) I'm letting you know that "Let's all be retarded" is offensive language that makes life worse for people. While I'm sure you did not mean to hurt people, every time someone uses the words "retard" or "retarded" in this way, they are making this use more widespread. And that hurts people with learning disabilities, and their families. It is also completely unnecessary, as I am sure you have other words and phrases in your vocabulary that would do the job without the collateral damage. The euphemism treadmill moves on, and we move with it.

Hoping this is taken in the spirit of cheerful improvement that was intended. 109.155.37.180 (talk) 12:27, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Damn. I thought you had something interesting to teach me about my English and all you gave me was an uninteresting rant. --Belchman (talk) 19:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

US Americans

I noticed this rather uncivil remark on Dbachmann's user talk page. I find "US Americans" completely proper, although slightly awkward. I blame the awkwardness, however, on my being a US American, who like most US Americans grew up thinking that "American" = "citizen of the United States of America". Outside the USA, it is not uncommon to find people referring to "having been to America" and meaning Argentina, Costa Rica, Canada, etc. Do Canadians or Brits use this term frequently, such that it could be considered a Standard English? I have no idea.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 08:10, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have followed your request and been a pedant on my talkpage.

The "US American" is debatable, but that's a political debate, not a linguistic one. Yes, using "US American" rather than "American" carries the implication of hay mas de America que los EE.UU. This is a wiki: you are free to fiddle with things without placing bizarre personal rants on my talkpage. But you are also free to come back and rant some more, this kind of thing brightens my day. I do not "hate America", btw (to use a phrase cherished by US American patriots). I merely find that en-wiki carries a significant de facto systemic bias because it is so heavily edited by USians. Not because they are consciously favouring a US perspective but because they often don't realize that they even have an US perspective. The Common Era article is a good example. US Americans are so immersed in their political culture wars that they end up assuming that everyone is either a conservative straight bible-thumper or a liberal gay atheist. It doesn't occur to them that some people will use "AD" simply because that's what the thing has been called for a millennium and are not interested in following the most recent politically correct euphemism proscribed by the language police. --dab (𒁳) 08:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Apostrophe pedantry

Pointing out where people have inserted an unnecessary apostrophe is really not helpful in the talk space. Please refrain from it unless you have something relevant to contribute to a given conversational thread. --Mr.98 (talk) 15:35, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Warning

Don't do that [2] again. Acroterion (talk) 00:51, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why not? --Belchman (talk) 00:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I've reverted your vandalism-edit. If you don't like something, you can explain why, but you can't just remove comments by other people that you don't like. --Belchman (talk) 00:56, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you restore it again, I will block you. Final warning. Acroterion (talk)

(edit conflict) Because if you ever make any comment like that again, I will block you indefinitely. (Written before your most recent edit and the resulting block, which I endorse.) Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:59, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

November 2011

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 weeks for attempting to harass other users. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Jac16888 ^Talk 00:57, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Z8

More for personal attacks than harassment, but I've no doubt you got that--Jac16888 ^Talk 00:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think someone needs to read the definition of harassment here. --Belchman (talk) 00:59, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 <div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=|link=]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''2 weeks''' for attempting to [[Wikipedia:Harassment|harass]] other users.  Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you would like to be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx" argument. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}, but you should read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first. [[User:Jac16888|<font color="Blue">Jac</font><font color="Green">16888</font>]] [[User talk:Jac16888|<sup><font color="red">Talk</font></sup>]] 00:57, 6 November 2011 (UTC)</div>{{z8}}<!-- Template:uw-hblock -->
 :More for personal attacks than harassment, but I've no doubt you got that--[[User:Jac16888|<font color="Blue">Jac</font><font color="Green">16888</font>]] [[User talk:Jac16888|<sup><font color="red">Talk</font></sup>]] 00:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
+I think someone needs to read the definition of harassment here. --[[User:Belchman|Belchman]] ([[User talk:Belchman#top|talk]]) 00:59, 6 November 2011 (UTC)