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Deletion of content and images from Jat related article

I have observed that your only objective on Wikipedia seems to delete content and images from Jat related article. This shows that you are highly biased against Jat people. I can understand bias of people like you and Fowler&fowler who are bent upon to to undo efforts and the content created over last many years on Wikipedia on some heroes who have really done for the society. Your sarcastic comment about Jat people as Cartoon like images on my talk page proves this. I have also observed what you have contributed to Wikipedia. You feel if you are the owner of Wikipedia and others are fools. Images since last5-6 years had no problem but it is problem with you only. I do not have much time to waste with such biased people like you. You should show here positive attitude in developing neutral content on Wikipedia. Admins should intervene and watch your intentions !!!. burdak (talk) 03:42, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Mr Tom and the felines

Mr Tom and the felines

. Mr Tom is now a regular. Turns up at sunrise, at 7 or 730. Feeds. (That is until he is driven away by the bold squirrels and even bolder chipmunks, who come scurrying like speeding bullets right at him.) Snoozes. Scoops out dirt and makes a hollow for himself. Proceeds to sit in the hollow and pick off the little insects in the freshly scooped pile. Walks around the yard. Peers in through the windows and doors. Sticks around until dusk, 5:30 or 6. Fluffs up his feathers and takes off harrier like at near vertical angles.

He stretches just like the cats do, which is just like we do. Standing on one leg, he scratches with the other, just like we do with our hands. Darwin had said that we bear in our bodily frame the indelible stamp of our lowly origin. In high-school when I first read him, I thought he was talking about chimpanzees. Later I was to realize that the lowly origin was shared not just with chimps, but with cats, turkeys, squirrels, chipmunks, and ultimately with creatures of which even Darwin had no clue. The models for our physiology and a lot else are primordial. Given this fact, why humans get so worked about recent events of a hundred, two hundred, five hundred, or thousand years ago, beats me. The Kunbi, Jat, Yadav, and what else have you, need to spend more time with Mr Tom. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:29, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I found myself reminiscing about the good old days earlier today. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

My apologies. I returned from Wales, saw your message and thought "I'll sort out the watchlist first" ... & then forgot about you entirely! How anyone could forget a Fowler&fowler message is beyond me, but I am that person.

I thought that Tom had been having a go at the chipmunks, with the cats standing agog? Presumably he has learned the error of his ways? This entire business of "bird baths", using a dirt hole, is something that fascinates me for some obscure reason. But in this case it must be one heck of a hole.

I am also intrigued regarding the verticality (is that a word?) of take-off. Geez, there is some strength in those wings to lift that sort of weight in that sort of manner. I need to do some reading up. Someone, somewhere must surely have compiled a table comparing weight/wing-span/angle of ascent, and that must surely be more interesting than about 1 million of the articles on en-WP, covering obscure places, minor sports-people, and the self-feeding frenzy that is reality TV & hip-hop music etc.

I agree about the similarities of behaviour across species etc, although I must admit to not using a dirt bath myself. The reason why we get so worked up about the scenarios which you describe is because we think that we have a better brain than other species and, dammit, we are determined to use the thing. Of course, of all species, we are probably both the most destructive and most self-destructive ... our "superior" brains just have not entirely latched on to that notion yet.

Great photo, again, btw. Are you using some fancy camera kit or are you just blessed with the knack? You appear to have avoided the glare that often happens when photographing through glass. As for the good old days, well, a golden moment is only golden because it is a moment. I am sure that someone said that, sometime, before myself. Probably some witty bod like Wilde or Parker (although it sounds a little twee for them). - Sitush (talk) 00:33, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Herbert Hope Risley

Somebody has introduced a lot of fluff and frankly gone on tangent with Negroid races etc. I hope you are able to use a firm hand and remove all that nonsense and clean up this article. 213.107.22.93 (talk) 22:50, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

It certainly looks that way to me, but give me a chance to work through the article. You are welcome to assist but I would suggest that we do not delete anything just yet. I have inserted various "request" tags in an attempt to find support for the statements, and I will be looking myself, but my gut feeling is that you are correct. His position regarding varna and anthropometry is a significant aspect of his life and influence. It needs to be recorded but that record must be within the bounds of Wikipedia's policies and, to be honest, the section that you are referring to looks pretty Hope-less at the moment. - Sitush (talk) 00:06, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

BTW, my word-play - Hope-less - above is pretty risley-ble, don't you think? I'm a right 'erbert. It's that time of day. - Sitush (talk)

Ajmer Singh, Ballu, List of Rors

On Ajmer Singh page why have you deleted whole bunch of stuff without asking for citations? For example Ajmer Singh's birthplace, his being from the ror caste etc. Do you know for a fact he is not a ror? If not and if someone has put the information on the page he is a ror and you don't believe him you should have asked for citation. Another example you have put a citation request for "Ajmer scored nearly a third of India's points at the Moscow Olympics.[citation needed]" when the link already shows that Ajmer scored nearly a third of India's points. You can add up the points of al l players and points of Ajmer and if you do the math it comes out.

Similarly on Ballu page you have deleted a whole bunch of data without giving anyone a chance to explain.

In similar vain you first delete Ajmer Singh, Ballu, Dalel Singh etc being rors and then you delete them from the list of rors. These are very disruptive edits. You can't just delete reams and reams of data without following due process. Ask for a citation and if it does'nt come by do by all means delete.

Please roll back your changes on all these pages and then put specific citation requests and I will try and help as much as I can.

Ror Is King (talk) 06:09, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I will check my edits. However, I have the feeling that these are biographies of living people & that is why I deleted the unsourced caste information. It is personal information of a sort that could be very contentious: like it or loathe it, a person's caste appears still to be a pretty sensitive subject in India & therefore we really must be very strict on the sourcing requirements. The same procedure has occurred for people of other castes, usually as a consequence of trying to sort out the often hopelessly muddled "List of [Caste] people]" articles. We have to know for sure that they are of whatever caste is claimed and so your query - "Do you know for a fact he is not a ror?" - is incorrect logic here. - Sitush (talk) 12:51, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I am afraid you are using inverted logic. Have you read WP:OWN? Do you own Wikipedia or these pages on rors? I ask again did you pose a question on the talk page of these persons and ask if any one had citations for them being ror? Did you do a websearch of your own about these people and not find they are ror? Did you put a citation request to know about their caste? Answer is no. Why such disruptive edits? Ror Is King (talk) 16:58, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Please read WP:BLP. My removal of the Ror caste statements was nothing at all to do with article ownership. I have not yet reviewed my other edits but, promise, I will do so before the day is done. - Sitush (talk)

OK, I reviewed my edits at Ajmer Singh. I took a lot out because it appeared to be a copyright violation. I also took out the mention of him being the highest scorer of points because that was not evident on the source provided. This does not mean that the statements made were incorrect and - yes - we are allowed to do simple mathematics without contravening the original research policy. However, as things stood, there was no way to do that calculation because the FIBA source was a personal scoring record and didn't obviously state what the overall team record may have been (from which, the simple calc could be done). I may have got this wrong - feel free to point me to the FIBA article that explains this. My issue with Ror stands: you need a reliable source and it is not my responsibility to find one, in particular because this is a WP:BLP. - Sitush (talk) 01:47, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to say that the same applies for Ballu. Contrary to what you suggest in your messages above, I did in fact add a shed-load of cite requests to both articles. I only removed that which was clearly unverifiable, copyright violation and/or POV. - Sitush (talk) 01:50, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Copyright violation of what ? FIBA article gives the score of the entire team. And you can add the score of ajmer using a calculator and then divide the two and multiply by 100 to get a percentage. You have to do some clicking on the FIBA page. This is getting a bit too childish if you can't even read the references provided. Please revert the pages to their original form and ask for a citation on the contents you have deleted. It is important you don't create busy work for others. Ror Is King (talk) 05:44, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

This is a copyvio. This conversation stops now. - Sitush (talk) 08:56, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I am afraid it is not a copyvio since the reference is given from where the lines were taken. Anyway this discussion is going no where since you think you WP:OWN the articles so I am going to revert your edits. You can come back and ask for citations. Ror Is King (talk) 16:12, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

How is it a copyvio when Hindu the newspaper is given in the reference? Is like the FIBA website where you cant see what is written on the website? Ror Is King (talk) 16:18, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Read up on it - that is why I left you the notice. I am astonished that someone knows the WP:OWN policy but not the WP:COPYRIGHT, WP:BLP or WP:CITE ones. - Sitush (talk) 16:48, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah read on it. It could have easily been made into a quote but you just don't let anyone edit these pages. It is your way or the highway. Ror Is King (talk) 17:57, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Information

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Re: Kayastha

Hi. I previously cited incorrect page numbers, which I've now corrected.

Here is a PDF of the referenced book, "Who Were the Shudras?" by B.R. Ambedkar: http://www.satyaguru.us/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/WHO_WERE_THE_SUDRAS.331135705.pdf

The pages I cited correspond to Chapter X (The Degradation of the Shudras). Part IV of this chapter, specifically, details multiple court cases during the British Raj that tried to establish the varna status of Kayasthas, many of which made conflicting and contradictory rulings. In any case, it seems to me hardly controversial to state that the varna status of Kayasthas has been "a subject of debate".

Melotown (talk) 18:53, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Excellent! I'll add that to my weekend reading list but, as you say & I have been arguing, it is scarcely a contentious point since we have numerous sourced statements immediately following that particular one. Someone was just being incredibly pedantic ... and they achieved nothing, unless their intention was to waste a lot of the time of other people. - Sitush (talk) 19:06, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Ror Status

I am afraid you are just pushing your POV. You first delete all references of Ror caste from:

• Dalel Singh
• Ajmer Singh
• Ballu

and then you delete them from the list of rors. When I tried putting references on these pages you would not let me edit. Are you the owner of Wikipedia? Or do you care to listen to others?

Ror Is King (talk) 18:19, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Scribd dot com

Is not a wikipedia reliable source for anything it is a user uploaded site and you should do as I do and remove it on sight. Off2riorob (talk) 17:48, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Good. That was my wider point. Thanks for the info. - Sitush (talk) 17:56, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Citation Barnstar
	For your great work on Caste system in Kerala. Drmies (talk) 03:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, thank you. Can I quote you on this? - Sitush (talk) 03:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

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Chera Dynasty

This article lacks proper refs.The cheras were an important south indian kingdom.Could you pleaselook into this article. I am willing to help you however I can.. :) Mayan302 (talk) 05:31, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

You beat me to it.

You beat me to it. I had just concluded, via Wayback, that we had a reserve copyvio (at Kulwant Singh Virk), but you corrected yourself before I could :)--SPhilbrickT 18:13, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, sorry about that. I had a brain fart at first, there. I don't usually intend to create work for others. - Sitush (talk) 18:22, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Three revert rule on Mariano Hugo of Windisch-Graetz

Dear Sitush,

It is you who have already broken the three revert rule: here [1], here [2], and here [3]. I have not broken that rule: I added a section, and then reverted your edit TWICE. If you continue to engage in this kind of edit warring, I will report your actions. 128.100.125.177 (talk) 21:52, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I have broken no rule, and am aware of the edits that I have in fact done. The warning is preventative: if you read it in full you will understand that it is saying that you may have broken it and need to be aware even if you have not yet done so. Honestly, just keep it to the article talk page for now - I have no desire to see you blocked but it will happen if you continue in the same manner. It is obvious to me that you are inexperienced: we all have to start somewhere & people will guide you, but there are few exceptions to 3RR & being inexperienced is not one of them. - Sitush (talk) 21:58, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Addendum: when I say "inexperienced", I mean with regard to policy issues. You are clearly not inexperienced with regard to editing here. - Sitush (talk) 22:05, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Incidentally it seems that Big Hugh has his fans in Canada; both the IP and Noel McFerran hail from the University of Toronto. pablo 23:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I had spotted that. I am not sure that the plural of the word is correct & have been debating with myself whether to raise this at the AfD. If it is socking (or even meating) then it potentially disrupts the AfD process. There may even be another one knocking around, but I am still checking. - Sitush (talk) 23:06, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Although not yet commenting at the AfD, Special:Contributions/99.242.18.194 also locates to Toronto & is editing similar articles. There is something odd going on, given that these are fairly obscure topics. - Sitush (talk) 23:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Gentlemen of His Holiness

You write, If you would rather see the titles reversed - ie: Gentiluomo holding the content and Papal G redirecting to it - then feel free to start a rename discussion on the Papal G talk page. My suspicion is that you would not succeed because Papal Gentlemen is the more widely used term in English language sources (and this is the English language Wikipedia, not the Italian one) but, hey, I have no great interest and will not be involved.

• Google Books "Papal Gentlemen" 17 results
• Google Books "Gentlemen of His Holiness" 17 results

What evidence can you provide that "Papal Gentlemen" is more widely used in English? 99.242.18.194 (talk) 05:00, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

You've just quoted me. Read what I said. - Sitush (talk) 05:01, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

And, please, stop socking. You appear now to have admitted to it and you are avoiding the three revert rule at Mariano by continuing in that manner. There is nothing to stop you logging in from different computers. - Sitush (talk) 05:04, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Hello,

If I've sent a previous and similar message, please consider this deja vu. I know that our fearless leader and Foundation staff are in India with invited guests. I attended a similar but different gathering in Boston a few months ago. I don't know what continent you are on right now, but I do know that I appreciate all the work you do on India-related articles here. Thank you for the professionalism of your difficult work. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:59, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

About change in Sikh Rajput's

Pl, dont'change anything without any reason, check the Jallandhar, Adampur Doaba gazette. Sikh Rajput 08:47, 19 November 2011 (UTC) Sikhdev Singh Minhas--Sikh Rajput 08:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)