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:No, because the media twats are too thick to realise that the salute goes back much further than the fascists. (14:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/89.240.119.113|89.240.119.113]] ([[User talk:89.240.119.113|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
:No, because the media twats are too thick to realise that the salute goes back much further than the fascists. (14:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/89.240.119.113|89.240.119.113]] ([[User talk:89.240.119.113|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::...And the swastika as an artistic motif goes back to Ancient Greece... But that doesn't mean Charles Manson was maybe trying to carve an architrave in his forehead. The swastika today means only one thing: Nazi Europe. The same goes for the Roman salute which, according to Wikipedia, does not appear to date to Ancient Rome at all, but to an 18th century painting and was eventually developed into a physical gesture by the Italian Fascist party in the early 20th century, spreading from there to Nazi Germany-- as such, the physical salute does NOT go back further than the Fascists (capital "F" here because referring to Italian Fascism, not merely fascism).[[User:KDS4444|<font face="Verdana"> <span style="color:midnightblue">'''KDS'''</span><span style="color:steelblue">'''4444'''</span>]][[User talk:KDS4444|<span style="color:limegreen"><sup>''Talk''</sup></span></font>]] 06:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC) |
::...And the swastika as an artistic motif goes back to Ancient Greece... But that doesn't mean Charles Manson was maybe trying to carve an architrave in his forehead. The swastika today means only one thing: Nazi Europe. The same goes for the Roman salute which, according to Wikipedia, does not appear to date to Ancient Rome at all, but to an 18th century painting and was eventually developed into a physical gesture by the Italian Fascist party in the early 20th century, spreading from there to Nazi Germany-- as such, the physical salute does NOT go back further than the Fascists (capital "F" here because referring to Italian Fascism, not merely fascism).[[User:KDS4444|<font face="Verdana"> <span style="color:midnightblue">'''KDS'''</span><span style="color:steelblue">'''4444'''</span>]][[User talk:KDS4444|<span style="color:limegreen"><sup>''Talk''</sup></span></font>]] 06:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Actually, the [[swastika]] goes back to ancient [[Vedic]] cultures rather than Greece, although the National Socialists reversed it horizontally. That said, it does discomfort me as a West Ham fan that Di Canio, for all his intelligence, thought it appropriate to give the Roman salute, although, not being Roman, I can't comment on it's contemporary cultural significance. |
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:::What I can say, though, is that he has always seemed to have the political awareness to know the difference between holding solidarity with his fellow Romans, and being a fascist, especially given his denunciations of racism (oft-ignored by the UK media). FWIW, I well recommend that interview with the Indie on Dec 11 2011 |
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:::FD: I'm a bit of a leftie, more [[Billy Bragg]] than [[Alf Garnett]] [[User:Wavy|Wavy]] ([[User talk:Wavy|talk]]) 17:05, 23 December 2011 (UTC) |
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I also find it ridiculous that someone said Mussolini was a founder of fascism, its existed for centuries. The salute was also used in Rome 2000 years ago but I think its obvious why Di Canio was doing it. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.6.29.143|94.6.29.143]] ([[User talk:94.6.29.143|talk]]) 16:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
I also find it ridiculous that someone said Mussolini was a founder of fascism, its existed for centuries. The salute was also used in Rome 2000 years ago but I think its obvious why Di Canio was doing it. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.6.29.143|94.6.29.143]] ([[User talk:94.6.29.143|talk]]) 16:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::Wait... Why WAS he using it? He denies being racist, which is what I would have assumed was the "obvious" explanation. Was he just screaming for attention? Wanting to pick a fight? Or are we to believe that he was making an "erudite" (but at second glance obviously unfounded) reference to the "grandeur that was Rome"? I doubt very much that he was oblivious to the tone of the gesture, any more than I think Charles Manon was oblivious to his (though Charlie WAS a self-admitted racist, at least, so the gesture made some historical sense). I have read news articles on the topic and I have found no clear explanation, not even this individual's explanation, which I find insincere ("I did it for my fans"). WTF? [[User:KDS4444|<font face="Verdana"> <span style="color:midnightblue">'''KDS'''</span><span style="color:steelblue">'''4444'''</span>]][[User talk:KDS4444|<span style="color:limegreen"><sup>''Talk''</sup></span></font>]] 06:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC) |
::Wait... Why WAS he using it? He denies being racist, which is what I would have assumed was the "obvious" explanation. Was he just screaming for attention? Wanting to pick a fight? Or are we to believe that he was making an "erudite" (but at second glance obviously unfounded) reference to the "grandeur that was Rome"? I doubt very much that he was oblivious to the tone of the gesture, any more than I think Charles Manon was oblivious to his (though Charlie WAS a self-admitted racist, at least, so the gesture made some historical sense). I have read news articles on the topic and I have found no clear explanation, not even this individual's explanation, which I find insincere ("I did it for my fans"). WTF? [[User:KDS4444|<font face="Verdana"> <span style="color:midnightblue">'''KDS'''</span><span style="color:steelblue">'''4444'''</span>]][[User talk:KDS4444|<span style="color:limegreen"><sup>''Talk''</sup></span></font>]] 06:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Taste in Music
I read that Di Canio, wanted to play England because of his love of English Music - especially The Smiths and Morrissey. I read this circa 1999.
Hi, Can you add this to the page? Xyrael 20:10, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Paolo,Libro e moschetto - fascista perfetto.Grazie.
Ice Cold 02:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Di Canio was not a member of Irridicubili, they were born in 1987 when he was already playing for Lazio, when he was younger he went to the games in Curva North, the stand where Irriducibili see the games but when Di Canio was younger, the supporters group was called "Eagles Supporters"
No one has mentioned in the controversy section about his encounter with referee Paul Alcock when di canio was playing for Sheffield Wednesday.
"Your face looks like a penis."
In al falling out over being substituted in a friendly, Fabio Capello told Paolo, ""Your face looks like a penis." Source:The Guardian --202.47.49.42 (talk) 03:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Another source for the quote. [1]
72.27.12.216 (talk) 20:48, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Fascist salute
Shoulden't we add that?--Villa88 (talk) 05:48, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- No, because the media twats are too thick to realise that the salute goes back much further than the fascists. (14:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.119.113 (talk)
- ...And the swastika as an artistic motif goes back to Ancient Greece... But that doesn't mean Charles Manson was maybe trying to carve an architrave in his forehead. The swastika today means only one thing: Nazi Europe. The same goes for the Roman salute which, according to Wikipedia, does not appear to date to Ancient Rome at all, but to an 18th century painting and was eventually developed into a physical gesture by the Italian Fascist party in the early 20th century, spreading from there to Nazi Germany-- as such, the physical salute does NOT go back further than the Fascists (capital "F" here because referring to Italian Fascism, not merely fascism). KDS4444Talk 06:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, the swastika goes back to ancient Vedic cultures rather than Greece, although the National Socialists reversed it horizontally. That said, it does discomfort me as a West Ham fan that Di Canio, for all his intelligence, thought it appropriate to give the Roman salute, although, not being Roman, I can't comment on it's contemporary cultural significance.
- What I can say, though, is that he has always seemed to have the political awareness to know the difference between holding solidarity with his fellow Romans, and being a fascist, especially given his denunciations of racism (oft-ignored by the UK media). FWIW, I well recommend that interview with the Indie on Dec 11 2011
- FD: I'm a bit of a leftie, more Billy Bragg than Alf Garnett Wavy (talk) 17:05, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- ...And the swastika as an artistic motif goes back to Ancient Greece... But that doesn't mean Charles Manson was maybe trying to carve an architrave in his forehead. The swastika today means only one thing: Nazi Europe. The same goes for the Roman salute which, according to Wikipedia, does not appear to date to Ancient Rome at all, but to an 18th century painting and was eventually developed into a physical gesture by the Italian Fascist party in the early 20th century, spreading from there to Nazi Germany-- as such, the physical salute does NOT go back further than the Fascists (capital "F" here because referring to Italian Fascism, not merely fascism). KDS4444Talk 06:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I also find it ridiculous that someone said Mussolini was a founder of fascism, its existed for centuries. The salute was also used in Rome 2000 years ago but I think its obvious why Di Canio was doing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.6.29.143 (talk) 16:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
- Wait... Why WAS he using it? He denies being racist, which is what I would have assumed was the "obvious" explanation. Was he just screaming for attention? Wanting to pick a fight? Or are we to believe that he was making an "erudite" (but at second glance obviously unfounded) reference to the "grandeur that was Rome"? I doubt very much that he was oblivious to the tone of the gesture, any more than I think Charles Manon was oblivious to his (though Charlie WAS a self-admitted racist, at least, so the gesture made some historical sense). I have read news articles on the topic and I have found no clear explanation, not even this individual's explanation, which I find insincere ("I did it for my fans"). WTF? KDS4444Talk 06:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Picture Added
Make your suggestions or comments here --Thelostlibertine (talk) 14:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- Gah. The article does need a picture but... I am not sure this one represents him very well. Not that you are offering a series of choices, I understand, and sometimes Wikipedia has to take what it can get. I am wondering if this is all that it can get (maybe for now?). Hmmm... KDS4444Talk 18:22, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- The thing with pictures on Wiki is that often they are not the best out there. Often there are others on www.flickr.com but they don't have that Creative Commons permission Wiki needs. This one I took in a hurry, and on my mobile phone and in a crowd of pushing autograph hunters. If someone has a better one it would be great to use it.--Egghead06 (talk) 18:53, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- Egghead06, I certainly appreciate (and am very grateful for) the fact that you had an image to contribute at all. I've been looking on Flickr for more professional images but have had no luck getting copyright permission from anyone so far. Better your image than nothing at all! Someday perhaps someone will find a way to get a better image of him. KDS4444Talk 09:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- The thing with pictures on Wiki is that often they are not the best out there. Often there are others on www.flickr.com but they don't have that Creative Commons permission Wiki needs. This one I took in a hurry, and on my mobile phone and in a crowd of pushing autograph hunters. If someone has a better one it would be great to use it.--Egghead06 (talk) 18:53, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Scottish Premier Division
Di Canio played for Celtic in the Scottish Premier Division, not, as stated in the introduction, in the Scottish Premier League, which had not yet been set up. Ceartas (talk) 20:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
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