User talk:Seraphimblade

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Meow Wars

De;eted. The biggest problem is that the most recent nomination was at "3nd nomination", not "3rd nomination" — I would have checked it if it had been linked by the G4 deletion template, but since it's not set up to look for AFDs called "(3nd nomination)", I had no idea that there was a third nomination. Nyttend (talk)

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File:Treblinka Cremation Pit.jpg

In regards to the File:Treblinka Cremation Pit.jpg image posted, among the others. This is a personal photo that is under my copyright from the company I work for. I'm not sure why this image was targeted, but if the "This photo may not be used for financial gain" comment was the reason, I have taken it down. All images donated under my username Folklore777 are proper licensed and accounted for. The comment for posted under the "attribution" was to deter anyone from unproperly using my photos on other sites without giving credit where credit is due.~Folklore777(talk) 02:47, 22 December, 2011 (UTC)

That was indeed the issue, and thank you for clearing it up. This is actually in regard to files on Wikimedia Commons. Commons only accepts images that are under a free license, which means, in short, that anyone may use and modify the image for any purpose, including commercial purposes. Free licenses may require author attribution and/or that derivative works remain under the same license. Licenses which forbid commercial use and/or modification, however, are not free licenses, and Commons will not accept those (Wikipedia won't accept them locally, either, except under a few exceptions). You can find more detail at the Commons license policy page, especially (from that page): "Media licensed under non-commercial only licenses also are not accepted" (emphasis in original). The notice in the required attribution, "This image may not be used for financial gain", essentially banned commercial use, and so rendered the content nonfree. Since they're your images, and you've chosen to remove that restriction, there's no further issue. The CC-BY-SA license still requires attribution, so no one else may use your images under that license without attributing them to you. I hope that clears up the reason, but feel free to ask if you still have any questions. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 08:01, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. I'm overly protective of the images I post I suppose. It was only out of fear for improper use. :)~ Folklore777 (talk) 03:19, 22 December, 2011 (UTC)

Request for your perspective on SOPA

Hi Seraphimblade, there's currently an ongoing discussion about splitting the Stop Online Piracy Act page at Talk:Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#ONGOING_DISCUSSION_-_Splitting_the_Article. You've familiarized yourself with the entry before, and your insight and perspective on the matter would be appreciated. Hope to see you there, Sloggerbum (talk) 23:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Where is EMTEE?

Você já viu ele ou eh um cuurno manzinho? acho que vc eh em?? Valeu maninhu, PAZ e alegria... kkkkk gringos, gringos, gringusss.. obrigado

• And please unban my apprentices. :) 15:07, 23 December 2011 (UTC)Tarc (talk)

You may request a deletion review if you believe the article deletion to have been erroneous. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 16:26, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Protector of wiki

Hi Seraphimblade, you just removed talk page access of this user while I was in a dialogue with him regarding his unblock request. Would you mind reverting? This block will likely need to be dealt with by community consensus and it is hard to ascertain how we should !vote if we cannot converse. If he in any way abuses the talk page I will surely let you know, but he has been collegial in his responses thus far and I think he may have a chance of getting unblocked. N^oformation ^Talk 07:05, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

You are more optimistic than I, but if you think there's hope for it, of course. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 07:06, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't know if I'm optimistic but after reading the talk page, the fact that he agreed to stop doing things that he previously railed against is a good start. Worst comes to worst he fools us all and gets reblocked and then we know. Are you familiar with the user? Would you be willing to oversee his block request after I've asked him a couple questions? N^oformation ^Talk 07:12, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the user from previous incidents. I try to stay away from deciding on unblock requests where I am, since the point of that process is to get a fresh set of eyes on the situation (unless the unblock request is clearly invalid/disruptive). I do, of course, always review everything that led up to the block and has happened since it. That was a more daunting task in this case than most reviews, but I think it was pretty straightforward. One thing that very much concerns me is the fact that the use of "mod" was something the user was previously repeatedly advised is disruptive, and yet that was the first word they chose to use, and then started arguing about it yet again. I hope I'm wrong—they've made some good contributions as well, but if PoW is to go back to the old behaviors, the disruption would significantly outweigh that as it did before. What I would want to see before even considering an unblock, is that PoW understands not only that a few particular behaviors were inappropriate, but the more general causes that led to those, especially "I didn't hear that", battling, refusal to accept consensus when against them, and especially the generally contemptuous attitude and combative tone shown toward advice and requests from other editors. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 07:43, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

For the good intentions Diego (talk) 17:41, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

It's ok that you're a deletionist, but please don't delete content verified by a reliable source only because you don't have access to the source! ;-) Diego (talk) 17:42, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the baklava! Actually I've no trouble with offline sources, just misread there. Thanks for catching it. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 17:50, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Adele Clark and Piers Baker

The editor removed the image of the book cover because he saw no acceptable fair use rationale, which was true. I then added a rationale, and having done as requested, I then replaced the image. He then objected for a different reason, and I did not revert. I have been a professional writer for more than 50 years, so I am familiar with attribution of sources, quoting, rewrites, fair use, bibliographic notes, etc. Check again, and you'll see that I did have a reference to that book. (And I've since added a reference to another book.) For a vocalist as obscure as Adele Clark, few sources surfaced. Piers Baker, however, is an important contemporary cartoonist, so I found several sources. I'm not sure how these bots function, but I was rudely interrupted by a bot only 60 seconds (!) after I posted my first draft. I was still writing and adding references. The problem of writing such is that sometimes one stumbles across a redundant source, yet it might have four words of fresh information that can be added. I might be able to find even more about Baker to add. Pepso2 (talk) 02:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

There is no issue with using the book as a source, provided it meets the guidelines on reliability. The issue was the posting of the cover in the article. Since a simple text reference will suffice to attribute the source, the book cover, as a nonfree image, fails the nonfree content requirements. Specifically, it fails #1 (it is replaceable by text), and #8 (since the image is only tangentially related to the article, it is decorative). If you'd like to use the book as a source, use it, and cite it with a text reference. The guidelines on citing sources give guidance as to how to do this. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I need your help!

I was hoping you could help me. You seem sweet, and you have helped me before. I research and write about WWII and have some images that I have posted in Wiki commons. One of those images is "File: Göth Feb 8, 1943.jpg" and is currently listed on the Amon Göth Wiki page. It seems to be an easy target for deletion. I want to give you a background on this image: I acquired this image from the daughter of the Military SS Officer that is in the photo. She gave me permission years ago to use the image for Holocaust educational purposes, and so I use it in my writing. The image was taken in 1943 by an unknown author that the subject Amon Göth paid during the war. No one knows who the author is. But it's from the family's archives, I can't see why there is such an issue. The person who is deleting it states it can't be used until 2014 because no one knows the author. Is there anyway to save the image from deletion or is it a lost cause? :( ~Folklore777 (talk) 22:36, 26 December, 2011 (UTC)

I think I see the problem there: The author is listed as "No specific author". (Get ready, copyright is a tangled mess sometimes. I'll untangle it here as best I can, with of course the caveat I'm not a copyright lawyer.) The "author" of a photograph is always the photographer, so it would be necessary to state who that is. The copyright is not owned by the person featured in the photograph, it is owned by the photographer (unless the photographer explicitly gave a copyright release assigning it to the subject, some photographers do that). If no one knows who took the photograph, that can get awfully tricky. What I would do is replace "No specific author" (that's not even possible, there always is a specific author, even if no one knows who it was), and replace that in the "Source" field with the information you've given me here (something like "Photographer unknown. Photo acquired by uploader with permission from subject's family in YYYY, originally taken in YYYY."). I think, based upon the Commons Hirtle Chart, that this image is in the public domain in both the US and Poland, and as such is acceptable if you provide the additional information. That's based upon the fact that the image has no copyright notice, so the applicable section is the "Works First Published Outside the U.S. by Foreign Nationals or U.S. Citizens Living Abroad. On Commons these cases also need to be free according to copyright terms in the country of publication. These terms are not part of this table." That states that works published between 1923 and 1977 without a copyright notice are in the public domain in the US, having failed to comply with required (at the time) US formalities. Since the image also failed to comply with Polish formalities required at that time, and as such never qualified for a Polish copyright, it appears to me that the image is in the public domain and is acceptable. There just needs to be a little more detail to demonstrate that this is actually the case. If any of that doesn't make sense, please feel free to ask for more clarification. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:11, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I think it does... Maybe? :) I used the Polish copyright because Göth had the photo taken in Lublin, Poland so I wasn't sure what to use. I have used the photo on other sites I have written for in the past, so the image my be in other places, but I have the original. But if I put the "Photographer unknown. Photo acquired by uploader with permission from subject's family in YYYY, originally taken in YYYY." will that keep Martin from deleting it? And, can I show him this, he insisted there was nothing that could be done. I don't want him to continue to flag the photo. I'm worried. :( ~Folklore777 (talk) 23:38, 26 December, 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, this is a complex situation, and I can't guarantee you any given outcome. I've certainly had cases where someone on Commons knew some nuance of copyright law I was unaware of—it's a tangled mess at best, and becomes even worse when authorship is unknown. My advice is just what I'd do in your situation, while I don't know copyright law perfectly, I've worked with it here and elsewhere to know a decent bit about it, and Commons itself has some excellent resources on it as well (like the chart I linked to). Still, it never hurts to have as much detail as possible on the source, especially where actual authorship is unknown. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry honey, I tried clicking on the Hirtle Chart, but it said it didn't exist. But is the image in the Public domain now? Or is it because I have used the image on other sites? I'm so sorry, all of this is confusing. I'm going to do what you said and hopefully that will work. ~Folklore777 (talk) 23:38, 26 December, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I borked the link. The correct one is here. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 05:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I made the changes under the "File: Göth Feb 8, 1943.jpg". You don't mind checking it out and seeing if I did it right, do you? :D~Folklore777 (talk) 00:35, 27 December, 2011 (UTC)