Talk:Naruto Uzumaki

Merchandising

[1] and [2] are only ones I found about that. Im not sure what kind of merchandising we need to put.Tintor2 (talk) 9:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Nine tails

we should add that naruto has broken one of the seals and allowing him to use all 9 tails, but that the fourth hokage (aka naruto's father) would appear in his conscience if 8 tails appeared.Haseo445 (talk) 15:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

If we add that, we should add at least a few details on his battle with Pain and confrontation with Nagato to the plot summary. 142.26.133.248 (talk) 16:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

• • Uh that's not what happened. First off, theres only ONE seal. Naruto was just getting angrier and angrier, thinking things were helpless and the fox was using his anger to unleash his power to free himself. At the eighth tail, Naruto had to physically remove the seal to get all nine tails, but that would kill him and unleash a fully reborn Kyubi. Minato appeared because it was a SAFEGUARD to keep the Kyubi from breaking free. (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC).

the plot overview needs editing

The plot overview is confusing. It's not even written in chronological order. Can someone fix this? Alphapeta (talk) 04:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

• • I've tried. Someone kept reverting it because they don't like the way canon order follows. Calling it 'original research' thus inadmissable. SuperSaiyaMan (talk)

A lot of relevant things have happened to Naruto since he last met Itachi, and while I agree that chapter-by-chapter updates are not kosher, we should include his training with Fukasaku, fight with Pain and meeting with his father.

Two of the three are already mentioned (one more explicitly than the other), albeit not at the end of the section. In case that leads to a question of "why?", the Part II paragraph is organized by topic; first Akatsuki, then Sasuke. ~SnapperTo 04:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Such a format is outdated and leaves a lot of accuracy to be desired. If someone reads the article as is-they'll think Jiraiya died before Naruto completed his Futon: Rasenshuriken and that Naruto defeated Pain before defeating Kakuzu. --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:24, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I see that now, but his meeting with his dad's ghost is still an important revelation for him, and what about his begging the Raikage not to order Sasuke's execution (probably trivial)? Although nothing's come of it as of yet, I get the feeling something big's gonna happen. 142.26.133.248 (talk) 21:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

His meeting with Minato did had a explicit change on his personality with the exception of being a bit happier. He only received a hint of how he can bring peace and had sealed the fox once again.Tintor2 (talk) 01:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Should we include that he is now training to control the Nine-Tailed Fox? I included it, but it was reverted. 75.157.115.154 (talk) 03:31, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

The training did not even begin.Tintor2 (talk) 12:09, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

He has removed the seal on the Kyuubi, though. Or at least he ate the frog that has the key to the Kyuubi's cage. Should we include this? 75.157.115.154 (talk) 03:33, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Naruto has finished his "training" - defeating the hatred within him - and is now fighting the Nine-Tails. I added this to the article, but it was reverted. I take it that it would be prudent to wait until the battle with the Kyuubi has been concluded to add it? 75.157.78.82 (talk) 20:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Updated the Plot

Now that Naruto's beaten the Nine-Tailed Fox, I've updated the article to summarize the basic events of chapters 490-499. If anyone thinks what I've added can be improved upon, please do so. 75.157.125.234 (talk) 05:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Naruto controlling the Fox is already in the abilities section, so it does not need to be in the plot overview.Tintor2 (talk) 16:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, but what about his mom being the Fox's prior host, the one who destroyed Konoha and was killed by Minato? She doesn't have a section on the character page, so where should we add that? 75.157.120.15 (talk) 02:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Not for this section. May be more notable for Fox's section.Tintor2 (talk) 12:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

The Fox doesn't have much of a section, and what's there leaves little room for additions. 75.157.120.15 (talk) 05:28, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Such a format is outdated and leaves a lot of accuracy to be desired. If someone reads the article as is-they'll think Jiraiya died before Naruto completed his Futon: Rasenshuriken and that Naruto defeated Pain before defeating Kakuzu. --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:24, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Does the article tells in that such things happen in some order? Besides, you appear to find current events in the manga more important than previous ones, and that's no reason to change images.Tintor2 (talk) 22:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Given its a PLOT OVERVIEW, and we basically have the part 1 plot in order, yes, we have to have the Part 2 part in order. Otherwise, it's confusing. And yes, current events in the manga sometimes retcon things. We have to keep this article up to date and make things not confusing to the readers. --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 22:24, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Additionally, the Sasuke Uchiha article's plot overview is in order, why not have Naruto's in order? Why leave Naruto's as a confusing mess that screws up events?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 22:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Please avoid making changes without consensus. I rearranged the plot overview section to remove the ability parts which are misleading. References have to be formatted with cite book to be more specific rather than just giving the chapters. The Part II image is blank and white making it less informative than the Part I, which also shows his Rasengan which is also discussed in the article. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 22:32, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

How will we make a 'consensus'? There are only TWO of us here discussing this. And how are the 'ability parts' misleading when I put them down? How is citing just the volume more specific than the actual chapter itself? And how is the Part II image less informative than the outdated Part I one? Just because Naruto is using a Rasengan in it? It doesn't reflect current data. Tintor, stop sticking with the outdated and confusing parts of the article please.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 22:49, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

The abilities parts are for the section from the same name. Current is important for real world information, not fictional. Giving unformatted refs for an article is not encyclopedic as read will have no idea where is such chapter from, and will only work in a wikia.Tintor2 (talk) 23:18, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Voice Actresses

How come in the entire article there is no mention of who voices Naruto himself in both the Japanese and English dubs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.130.136 (talk) 18:53, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

If you mean about the infobox, it was part of vandalism. There are mentions of Maile Flanagan and Junko Takeuchi in the article but not many.Tintor2 (talk) 19:51, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Reception

I have made some corrections but someone better than me should go over it "with a fine toothed comb" looking for non sequiturs and any other errors. – Allen4names 05:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Naruto Uzumaki/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Redtigerxyz (talk · contribs) 08:25, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	"... causing it to resemble it as time goes on"??? ambiguous it ".. he is able to maintain his human form while using it." No clear mention that he changes forms from human to fox or vice versa. Confusing "... leaving Naruto without a family" what about his mother???? Confused Konoha/Konohagakure: stick to one spelling "... more chakra in the form of tails appears" Confused??? "... the soul of his mother Kushina Uzumaki that has been within the seal." Shouldn't the mother be named when birth is mentioned? The article does not say what Part II is, where referred first time in " Naruto become a central conflict in Part II" No mention that they are manga. "...utterly unquestionable whether or not" questionable??? "Throughout the beginning of the English dub version ..." From the beginning of the series/throughout the series?? "She noted difficulties in voicing the character for the first [time] after " Missing word "Takeuchi met [with] hardships" missing word and extra s
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Ref 39 is dead. Replace
	2c. it contains no original research.	added
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	There is no clear boundary where Part I ends and Part II starts in Appearances. What about the anime appearances? Are they covered too? Not clear. "Description" is too abstract. May be you have a full-fledged section on "appearance". Describe his hair, costume (blue patches etc.), the head band (symbol on it), eye colour, shoes etc. How it changes from Part I to II, anime, video games. Naruto seems to use multiple fighting techniques. A detailed section on it is needed. [3] "various stages of the demon fox's manifestation" : explain Naruto's non-human manifestations See Barbara Gordon for a good layout. Reorganize sections as "Appearance" (physical appearance), "Personality", "Life", "Abilities and fighting techniques", "Conception", "Reception".
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Infobox image needs a caption stating stating if it is from Part I or II. Add description on image page in fair use rationale.
	7. Overall assessment.	The articles needs a through copyedit and more clarity in the life summary. Also give more context to explain jargon like chakra. Include more manga as well as anime, video games related information, as suggested in 3a.

This is not a fansite. There's no need to add section of about all his abilties or personality traits, or it will be wp:fancruft. Part II is actually from the same manga, while anime appearances are actually the same as the manga.Tintor2 (talk) 19:48, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Characters like Sherlock Holmes, James Bond (character), FA Batman also have these sections. Besides a copyedit, the article also needs to clarify the sources: Part I, Part II in the article text: are you referring manga/anime etc. You are free to ask for reassessment. All the best. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 03:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The series' primary media is the manga, that's why all sources are from the manga volumes, while the anime adapts them.

So you say that adding in-universe information will make the article better? I still don't see how would adding details like "Naruto makes all his clones launch each other in one attack, or that the Rasengan can only be made with Naruto's clones" be important to the general reader. If I were to follow other stuff, how GAs Samus Aran, Lara Croft and Cloud Strife avoid using these types of subsections. You also pointed few sentences that I was going to try fixing, but did the nomination automatically fail due to the lack of in-universe sections?Tintor2 (talk) 03:29, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The sections are not the only reason of a fail. The language and inadequate clarity of jargon like Part II, chakra is also a major reason of fail. Thus, it needed a rewrite in this aspect too. If you think that the article can be a GA as it is. Please approach GA reassessment. Thanks.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 03:38, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

That was what I was going to do as you noted in the issues, but you still claim that the article needs to follow Wikia standards with new sections, which I fail understand why having wp:plot and wp:fancruft in mind.Tintor2 (talk) 03:39, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Prose

All the points in section 1a have been addressed, except for the following (quotes taken from this version):

• "Kishimoto is glad that his character has blond hair and blue eyes; it has become so common worldwide ever since Naruto's debut that it is utterly unquestionable whether or not the main protagonist is purely Japanese due to his appearance, therefore Naruto, along with the immense popularity it has gained, comes naturally to the readers and international audiences with blond hair and blue eyes."

I would have tried to re-cast the sentence, but I wasn't sure what it was getting at. Something to do with cross-cultural appeal, or diversity? Or merely that it's too late now to give Naruto brown eyes and black hair, even if Kishimoto wanted to? Anyway, the first clause is not cited—I was tempted to just delete the whole thing.

He refers to Naruto's popularity across international readers and the questioning whether or not he was Japanese considering his hair and eyes.

• "Throughout the beginning of the English dub version ..." From the beginning of the series/throughout the series??

Replaced with "Throughout the beginning of the English dub version".

Someone who has seen the series will have to address this.

• The article does not say what Part II is, where referred first time in " Naruto become a central conflict in Part II" No mention that they are manga.

I'm with Redtigerxyz on this. I had to infer the distinction between Part I and Part II based on context clues. I think this should be spelled out unambiguously in the lead, along with what TV shows and movies he has appeared in, and how they are related to each other. Just a couple sentences would really clear things up, but I think someone with more Naruto knowledge should do it.

Added to the lead.

It seems reasonably clear and concise to me, but I've read the article a bunch of times now. Someone else may want to give it a quick speed read just to make sure I'm not imagining it. Cheers. Braincricket (talk) 09:04, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the notes and copyedits.Tintor2 (talk) 13:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)