Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deuce (singer) (2nd nomination)

Deuce (singer)

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Deuce (aka Aron Erlichman) is a former member of the band Hollywood Undead. He has no notability outside of that band and [non-notable] members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles. This was affirmed at AfD in February 2010 and again at Afd nine months ago. Since then nothing has changed, indeed it was affirmed that none of his solo recordings are notable at this AfD last month and this AfD this month, and the Deuce template was deleted at this TfD this month. However the article keeps coming back. Three months ago Aron "Deuce" Erlichman and Aron Erlichman were protected to stop recreation so this article was recreated instead. There is no need to retain this as a redirect; there is already a link to Hollywood Undead more appropriately at the Deuce DAB page and given the history of re-creation I propose Delete and Salt RichardOSmith (talk) 21:34, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:09, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

• Delete and salt per nom and previous AfDs. Some previous claims of notability were based on produced works, which (per their previous AfDs) were found to be non-notable, and WP:BAND for a person isn't just being prolific or being an individual in a notable or prolific group. DMacks (talk) 22:19, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

• I'm extremely confused as to how Deuce is not notable as a solo-artist? As I mentioned in the articles talk page, "upcoming album, legal battles, performed alongside eminem at Epicenter Fest., official mixtape, signed to same label as Papa roach, motley crue, blondie, buckcherry and more, sponsored by a clothing line, worked with Ronnie Radke, Skee-Lo, Travie McCoy, Jeffree Star, BrokeNCYDE [all of which are notable artists], plans to tour with BrokeNCYDE, Blood on the Dance Floor and Jeffree Star [all of which are notable artists], exceeded 100,000 likes on Facebook, two officially released singles with Five Seven Music, under 10th St Entertainment, under eleven seven) not to mention work with Hollywood Undead" - surely these things alone, (exclude the HU notability) is enough to have a wikipedia page. The whole point of wikipedia is to educate and inform people of the topics they search for, it's evident that Deuce is notable enough for an article by the amount of "where as your wikipedia gone?" messages from fans, left on his Facebook every time it gets redirected. I believe this whole nomination for deletion to be a conflict of interest by a Hollywood Undead fan, because they seem to be the only ones really disagreeing with the fact that Deuce is notable on his own. Sorry for the assumption, and sorry if I'm incorrect. Maybe we need some kind of poll. TrueBlue9LIVES (talk) 13:29, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

• You said "surely these things alone ... is enough to have a wikipedia page". I believe not. Would you care to cite any guidelines an policies that say they are? Certainly, none of them meets the inclusion requirements at WP:MUSICBIO: Subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works? No. The New York Post article is interesting, but it's about Hollywood Undead, not his solo career. Single or album on any country's national music chart? No. Record certified gold or higher? No. Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of a ... tour? No. Citing that he's toured with other artists is insufficient; it's not his tour, and there is no evidence of non-trivial coverage. Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels ... with a roster of performers, many of whom are notable? No. Citing that he's signed to a label with notable musicians may establish the notability of the label, but he hasn't released any albums yet, let alone two. Note that singles and mix-tapes are not included. Is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles? No. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city? No, not shown to be the case. Has won or been nominated for a major music award? No. Has won or placed in a major music competition? No. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable? No. Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio or music television network? No. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network? No. Please also restrict your comments to the subject rather than me; attempting to 'discredit' the nomination in this way is, frankly, a bit lame. See the template I have placed above as to why this is a discussion and not a poll. RichardOSmith (talk) 09:18, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

• Keep, he's a former member of a famous band, he's now signed to a record label (Eleven Seven Music, which considering the other artists signed to it, is a big deal) as a solo artist, he's been mentioned in publications (see the New York Post link and others) and he's about to release an album in March. I see no reason to delete this page; its only weakness is its tendency to rely on sources directly connected to Deuce himself for certain information (the article is overly detailed and elaborate), BUT that does not mean the other reliable sources can be discounted. 221.213.10.26 (talk) 13:44, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

• The reason to delete is that nothing he has done is independently notable per Wikipedia's inclusion guidelines. Anything he may do in the future can be evaluated then, not now. RichardOSmith (talk) 09:33, 28 January 2012 (UTC)