User talk:Vermont Hardcore Punk

January 2012

Established notability: http://www.allmusic.com/artist/my-revenge-p657423; checked cites. Connection to subject was solely for photo uploads, have edited content and improved; removed deletion tags pursuant to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion#Objecting Vermont Hardcore Punk (talk) 18:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're saying - I DID give a valid reason for the removal and I did address the problems. Please look at the history. Vermont Hardcore Punk (talk) 18:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to My Revenge (band), without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. MikeWazowski (talk) 22:33, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of My Revenge (band) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article My Revenge (band) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/My Revenge (band) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. MikeWazowski (talk) 22:49, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

In response to your feedback

No money will be payed that's for sure. But since Wikipedia grew as it has, its important to make sure it is a good as possible since the common people do not understand enough to read it critically. Much work is to be done to fight against misinformation and propaganda. Thanks for your hard work.

Juice Leskinen (talk) 11:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

 

Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion pages, as you did with My Revenge (band). Doing so won't stop the discussion from taking place. You are, however, welcome to comment about the proposed deletion on the appropriate page. Thank you. MikeWazowski (talk) 18:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

MIKE "To object to and therefore permanently prevent a proposed deletion, remove the proposed deletion tag from the article." "If anyone, including the article creator, removes a proposed deletion tag from an article, do not replace it,: Please do not replace the removed tags in violation of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion#ObjectingVermont Hardcore Punk (talk) 18:12, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to remove Articles for deletion notices or comments from articles and Articles for deletion pages, as you did at My Revenge (band), you may be blocked from editing. MikeWazowski (talk) 18:21, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

This is not a proposed deletion, this is an Articles for Deletion discussion - you are NOT allowed to remove it, no matter how much you disagree. You are reading the wrong guidelines. Continuing to do so will be treated as vandalism. MikeWazowski (talk) 18:23, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Response to MikeWazowski You must stop your abusive, biased editing of this page. Failure to do so will result in report to administrator. I am going to being treating your abusive edits as vandalism. You disregarded my fixtures of edits in violation of wikipedia. guidlines.Vermont Hardcore Punk (talk) 19:27, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh please, give that a try, and watch how fast that argument gets shot down. I warned you about removing the templates without fixing the problems, and also wared you about removing AfD notice. You continued to do so. As to your assertion that your "fixtures" addressed the situation, this comparison of the article from the first tagging shows no attempt by you to address the issues of primary and/or unreliable sources, original research (if anything, you made that worse!), notability, peacock terms, or the COI, given your close editing with the lead singer of the group. The orphan tag still applies, as other than the AfD related pages, it's all alone on Wikipedia. So, please, try to call me vandal, if it makes you feel better - but it's false, and I think you know it. Given the way the AfD is progressing, it'll be moot in a few days, anyway... MikeWazowski (talk) 20:08, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

LATEST RESPONSE TO MIKEWAZOWSKI - I made the changes originally, and posted them as this history shows. Instead of reading them, and making comments accordingly, you replaced the maintenance tags. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Good_practices - Multiple parts of this section discusses how you did not follow the Policy. It doesn't make me feel better to call you a vandal. It makes me saddened that you clearly have a bias / conflict of interest in the subject matter for which, if you weren't behaving so sophmoric and juvenile would know that the proper course is to recuse yourself from editing this particular article. Your own comment that "the way the AfD is progressing" shows your bias and is also evidence of sockpuppeting. Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV. I am going to continue to remove your abusive, harassing edits in order to maintain quality standard on Wikipedia and unfortunately must continue reporting your vandalism to the fullest extent necessary to get you to stop. You have made this choice, and as I said, it's unfortunate.Vermont Hardcore Punk (talk) 00:16, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

If you're going to throw around spurious accusations of vandalism and sockpuppetry, why don't you follow them up with actual complaints, instead of posturing? Your allegations are without merit, and I welcome - hell, I encourage you try and make them stick through proper channels. It'll never happen, but hey, knock yourself out. MikeWazowski (talk) 00:28, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Mike: All I want you to do is stop your disruptive edits and behavior. Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest

If other editors suggest that your editing violates Wikipedia's standards, take that advice seriously and consider stepping back, reassessing your edits." I work for a living so as time allows I will finish my actual complaints through the proper channels. This is a result of consequences you have created and it's unfortunate because behavior such as yours only serves to tarnish Wikipedia. So the choice is yours: step back and follow Wikipedia guidelines, or continue to mar your reputation and credibility on here as a usereditor. By the way, you probably haven't looked but once again I have improved the article, adding links, citations and so forth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Revenge_(band) You could start by a) being encouraging to users of Wikipedia (See Wiki Guidelines), instead of abusive and b) doing what you can to rescind the proposed deletion of this article which I have worked painstakingly hard. Vermont Hardcore Punk (talk) 01:03, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Funny, the only one who thinks posting valid templates is you. Now, you suggest I take a step back if "editors suggest that your editing violates Wikipedia's standards" - how does that not also apply to you? Unlike you, I have no conflict of interest in the article, unlike you, who not only created it, but (by your own admission) live in the same town they're based. You have been reverted on the templates by someone OTHER than me, but you disregard that. The only editor who has a problem here is you - there are no other editors telling me there is a problem on this particular article. MikeWazowski (talk) 01:11, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to My Revenge (band), without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. Dawn Bard (talk) 01:24, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Please stop. Continuing to remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to My Revenge (band), without resolving the problem that the template refers to, may be considered disruptive editing. Further edits of this type may result in your account being blocked from editing.  -- WikHead (talk) 01:33, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

My Revenge (2)

• Hi Vermont Hardcore Punk. This is with regards My Revenge and your recent conduct. Tags like the one that User:MikeWazowski was placing on the article are allowed and wanted. We encourage people to put up tags like those. It helps us identify articles that need further work. Please don't remove them. Even some of our most trafficked articles have similar improvement tags on them.
• I know that it is stressful to have an article that you've just created go up for deletion discussion. I would encourage you to improve the article and let the process go through. If it meets the criteria for acceptance then it will be kept by an administrator.
• I would also like to ask that you disengage from User:MikeWazowski. Should you continue to post like you've done above, on his page, and on the Article for Deletion page, this will be viewed as contrary to our user conduct guidelines, and you will be blocked.
• I hope you take this to heart, and continue to improve the article you've created. Thanks -- Samir 01:33, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Samir - thank you for your feedback. I just want an opportunity to tell you, as I did below to Cloveapple that I feel there was a bias and retaliation against this article by user MikeWazowski in violation of Wikipedia editing guidelines. I concur that Tags are an important mechanism for improving articles and do take that to heart. It is, however, hard to be receptive to the edits of user MikeWazowski when I feel his nomination for deletion was retaliatory. It came so soon. I didn't even have an opportunity to fully address the tags and work to improve the article. As I said, this felt dismissive, bias and hurtful. If given the time, I have every intention to continue to try and strengthen the article. I would just like MikeWazowki to work with me in a constructive way and in return I will do the same. Thanks a lot. Take care,Vermont Hardcore Punk (talk) 05:17, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Article sources

Do you have any newspaper, magazine, or book sources that discuss My Revenge? If you know of any sources like that it might be possible to save the article. I'd be glad to help you understand Wikipedia's policies and how to fix the article. For right now I'd suggest ignoring your disagreement with the other editor, as that won't help your efforts on the article. Cloveapple (talk) 01:49, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Cloveapple - I do have other sources that discuss My Revenge and if given the time (a week or 2) will certainly contribute them to help improve the article. My disagreement with the other editor is based on the fact, primarily, that he did not allow me the time to even do this, but nominated it for deletion, in a way which I felt, was retaliatory and biased. This was hurtful and disappointing to me because I've worked hard on this article, and as with all Wikipedia articles, it is a work in the making. I need some more time to continue to strengthen it and have every intention of doing so.

Thank you for your feedback, I appreciate it. Vermont Hardcore Punk (talk) 05:08, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Page tagging

You need to stop calling the addition of tags vandalism as you did here and here. It is not vandalism and continuing to call it that is disruptive and could lead to you being blocked. I would also point out that you seem to have made several reverts of that tag and need to review WP:3RR before you get blocked for Wikipedia:Edit warring. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 06:48, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you remove the maintenance templates from Wikipedia articles without resolving the problem that the template refers to, as you did at My Revenge (band), you may be blocked from editing without further notice. MikeWazowski (talk) 15:49, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Mike and Cambridge Bay Weather - Please read above my responses to Samir and Cloveapple. It is hard Mike to be receptive to your tagging/edits when I feel that you have personal bias / conflict of interest that are at odds with Wikipedia guidelines with regards to this Article. It appears to me that you put this article up for deletion in a retaliatory manner, which is also a violation of Wikipedia AfD guidelines.

The chronology giving rise to this dispute as I view it is: 1) You put tags up. 2) I thought I addressed issues raised by the tags and took them down 3) You got angry that I took them down, so you put the article up for deletion.

Maybe that's not what occurred, but that's how it certainly appeared to me. If you felt that I had not adequately addressed the tags to justify removal, then you should have discussed that with me on the talk page and we could have worked collaboratively and constructively to improve/fix/strengthen the article. Instead, it appeared to me that you just retaliated and that is incongruent with Wikipedia standards. I am pleased that you removed the tag regarding notability, because I think that has been adequately addressed. I will leave the tags alone for now and work to address the ones still present in order to strengthen the article. Just please allow me the time to do so. SincerelyVermont Hardcore Punk (talk) 05:33, 30 January 2012 (UTC)