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*"From 1965 to 1991, while the existence of the ordinariate was ignored by the government, the ''[[Annuario Pontificio]]'' continued to list it, but mentioned nobody as its [[ordinary]] or even as its apostolic administator." - source? |
*"From 1965 to 1991, while the existence of the ordinariate was ignored by the government, the ''[[Annuario Pontificio]]'' continued to list it, but mentioned nobody as its [[ordinary]] or even as its apostolic administator." - source? |
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*Minor fluctuations over a short time period can, if needed, be summarized in the text, but a table does seem like overkill. - [[User:Biruitorul|Biruitorul]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Biruitorul|Talk]]</sup></small> 21:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC) |
*Minor fluctuations over a short time period can, if needed, be summarized in the text, but a table does seem like overkill. - [[User:Biruitorul|Biruitorul]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Biruitorul|Talk]]</sup></small> 21:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC) |
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*I have now changed the name of the article to make it correspond to the content and even to the short name given in the Romanian Government site, which says that the ordinariate is for ''Armenian'' Catholics in Romania, not for Eastern Catholics in general, the vast majority of whom constitute the [[Romanian Church United with Rome, Greek-Catholic]]. |
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*The name in Italian was that given in the ''Annuario Pontificio'', the yearbook of the Holy See, which set up the ordinariate. The title given in the ''Annuario Pontificio'' can therefore be taken to be official. In the document (in Latin) by which the ordinariate was established, the apostolic constitution ''Solemni Conventione'' of 5 June 1930, it was described (rather than named) as an ordinariate for the Armenian faithful living in Romania: "7) Volumus denique ut ''fideles Armeni, qui in Romanica dicione morantur'', quoad spirituale regimen sub iurisdictione sint ''Ordinarii'' ab Apostolica Sede eligendi, qui eidem immediate subiectus erit" ([http://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/documents/AAS%2022%20[1930]%20-%20ocr.pdf ''Acta Apostolicae Sedis'' XXII (1930), p. 385).] |
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*Thanks. |
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*The successive editions of the ''Annuario Pontificio'' |
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*A table for comparing two years does seem excessive. It was just a greatly simplified copy of the comparison in table form given in the corresponding article in the Italian Wikipedia. The same information is now available on Catholic Hierarchy (which draws its information on the 2010 edition of the ''Annuario Pontificio'', of which I have access to no edition later than 2008); it presents the information as concerning 2009 but, strictly speaking, the statistics are those of 31 December 2008, reported in the first half of 2009 and printed therefore only in the 2010 edition. |
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I've made some changes to these:
- If we're to change the name in the lead, then we should move the article too. I don't have any particular opinion on this - it depends on (rather limited) usage.
- I don't quite see the relevance of the name in Italian. Latin and Armenian would be more relevant.
- Alba Iulia had a bishop, not an archbishop, as of 1964.
- "From 1965 to 1991, while the existence of the ordinariate was ignored by the government, the Annuario Pontificio continued to list it, but mentioned nobody as its ordinary or even as its apostolic administator." - source?
- Minor fluctuations over a short time period can, if needed, be summarized in the text, but a table does seem like overkill. - Biruitorul Talk 21:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
- I have now changed the name of the article to make it correspond to the content and even to the short name given in the Romanian Government site, which says that the ordinariate is for Armenian Catholics in Romania, not for Eastern Catholics in general, the vast majority of whom constitute the Romanian Church United with Rome, Greek-Catholic.
- The name in Italian was that given in the Annuario Pontificio, the yearbook of the Holy See, which set up the ordinariate. The title given in the Annuario Pontificio can therefore be taken to be official. In the document (in Latin) by which the ordinariate was established, the apostolic constitution Solemni Conventione of 5 June 1930, it was described (rather than named) as an ordinariate for the Armenian faithful living in Romania: "7) Volumus denique ut fideles Armeni, qui in Romanica dicione morantur, quoad spirituale regimen sub iurisdictione sint Ordinarii ab Apostolica Sede eligendi, qui eidem immediate subiectus erit" ([1930%20-%20ocr.pdf Acta Apostolicae Sedis XXII (1930), p. 385).]
- Thanks.
- The successive editions of the Annuario Pontificio
- A table for comparing two years does seem excessive. It was just a greatly simplified copy of the comparison in table form given in the corresponding article in the Italian Wikipedia. The same information is now available on Catholic Hierarchy (which draws its information on the 2010 edition of the Annuario Pontificio, of which I have access to no edition later than 2008); it presents the information as concerning 2009 but, strictly speaking, the statistics are those of 31 December 2008, reported in the first half of 2009 and printed therefore only in the 2010 edition.