User talk:Vanished user 231c

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That Ole' Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 17:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

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June 2011

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I didn't add them. I undid the additions of the image.

Orc (Middle-earth)

Hello, please let's discuss that certain paragraph on the origin of orcs at the article talk page. Regards, De728631 (talk) 19:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Lex

Lex may be short for "Alexander", but "Alexander" is not the name that he goes by on the show. Only one person calls him "Alexander" and that was his mother. Since you only see her a couple of times throughout the series, he is primarily known as "Lex". More importantly, Michael Rosenbaum is credited as "Lex Luthor" and not "Alexander Luthor", thus even the creators do not consider his name to be "Alexander".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

His mother called him that, his clone called himself Alexander. Further, there are numerous examples of characters having longer full names but are only credited with the name they are refered to in the work.

Those example articles should be corrected. Just because other articles are doing it doesn't mean that they are right. He is not credited as "Alexander Luthor". Just because a couple of people have used that name on the show in 10 years of airing doesn't mean that that is his name. You're trying to work from an in-universe perspective and you're not supposed to be. We operate from an out-of-universe perspective, which means that we do not retroactively change names just because there is some revelation about what his "birth name" is in that universe.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Dexter's Kill List

Listen, I know you might have meant well, but what you did was not right. You can not, and you will not, delete an entire list, just because you messed up on editing it. Le Rusecue (talk) 05:50, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I deleted the whole list after realizing the whole section is pointless OR and im deleting it again.

Perhaps a little more discussion would be necessary, it's obviously quite a controversial delete. I was the original creator of the list itself, under Thecheesykid, and later advocated its removal because it is WP:OR, but I was countered by Hearfourmewesique and the result of the discussion was pretty inconclusive. However please don't edit war about it, discuss before reverting. Aranea Mortem ^{(talk to me)} 00:00, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Aranea makes a point. However, I would like to note that, you only deleted it, AFTER YOU messed up the formatting. I'm reinserting the list, and then we can discuss if it should or shouldn't be removed. If we come to the conclusion it should be removed, then that's fine. Le Rusecue (talk) 02:39, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

The discussion section is a joke. This was not created by anyone but a fan with no third party sources. I got rid of it because its OR. No third party sources. Add the whole reason I got rid of it is not because I messed up the format, which I did, but because after reading it again, and seeing there was no third party source, that it was made by a fan I deleted it and will again

It is OR. There is no discussion when it comes to addint OR. It has no third party sources. Much of it is interpretation. It gives no indepth understanding of the character.

Season character summaries

Just a question, when adding information about the character based on what has happened during the season, how would one source that properly? Source the episode? --81.240.159.208 (talk) 20:45, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

In text citation naming the episode or follow the template given for the other references for citing an episode.

Dexter

Any particular reason to revert my edits? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 04:10, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

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Sockpuppet Investigation

A sockpuppetry investigation has been made in regards to yourself. Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Odoital25. Mabuska ^(talk) 12:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

All I did was add references to an article and I'm being investiaged? This is way I stayed away from wiki so long. UghOdoital25 (talk) 18:50, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

If you read the investigation it is about your use of sockpuppets to avoid detection to continue on with your WP:OR and your ignoring of WP:BRD and complete failure to properly discuss any of your edits. You are committing low-level disruption with your edit style. Your continued failure to discuss is only lengthening the rope. I am reverting the article one last time per WP:BRD. For the sake of good faith abide by WP:BRD and let it stay that way until the matter has been properly discussed. Otherwise you are still flouting Wiki policies. Mabuska ^(talk) 11:31, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

I dont even know what socket puppetry is. I started using this site again after so long because I've been talking to people who like Transformers. Why are you involving me in your war with someone else? Plus, a direct quote from the episode. When they land on prehistoric Earth, Megatron states how there is abundunt supplies of energon. His computer then says too much as it would destroy them. Then he and the computer conclude that he must scan the local life on the planet to create alternate modes to deal with it. That is not OR, but you removed it I added in text citations for everything that was said. I am not that IP guy. And, considering, unlike who ever he or she is, I actually cited the episodes, improved his or her horrible grammar, why do you still persist in this. The episodes have been cited, everything I have added can be backed up with, not interpretations but actual facts. You are being a bully sir. You talk about me using OR, and being some IP person, but this war your having with him your including me in it. You've been rude to me when I have done nothing to you. And your adding OR to a page. Heck you even created a TRANSMETAL 2 page which is mostly OR and in-universe. You keep saying how the IP guy's stuff is interpretation. Well, I actually watched the episodes. Did you like he asked. He is right. Stop being a bully or I'll report you. You accused me of being someone else, now your treating me like him and I have done nothing to you.Odoital25 (talk) 17:43, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

You don't have to know what sockpuppetry is to be guilty of it. The evidence is also substantial and your were found guilty and the IPs banned for a week so please stop denying the obvious. You have continually failed to abide by Wikipedias own policies which i have pointed out to you time and again. That is disruptive behaviour. If you think that it is bullying trying to enforce Wikipedias own guidelines then thats your opinion and your entitled to it, however as you have continued to ignore the guidelines despite several notifications i am left with no choice but to report you. Mabuska ^(talk) 20:54, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Um, no action has been taken against me so no, it hasnt been proven. Also, I've already reported you.Odoital25 (talk) 22:50, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Quote from episode one, typed verbatum

Megatron: (to the computer of his ship)...Tell me there is Energon here.

Computer: Confirmed

Megatron: Yes. The planet has Energon.

Computer: Too much Energon. Field readings are off the scale. Continued exposure to robotic forms will result in permanent damage.

Megatron: Then we will create alternate forms based on the most powerful local creatures.

Then both ships activate scaners, scan the local life's DNA and create beast modes. Here is a link to the episode http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMOGPX8-I8, and the scene begins about 3 minutes in. Now, considering the IP editor claims to have sent you links like these before, I have no doubt you will claim this is proof I am connected to him. Well, I'm already guilty in your opinion so what does it matter at this point? However, as your claiming on my page that because I corrected one of my faulty edits based on this source (the primary source: the show itself), I'm hoping you either see this and realize that I didnt put OR, and that if this one is right then, maybe look into the others I have posted. Also, in case you dont, that when someone else gets involved (as I've requested assistance and posted on the wiki dispute board) someone will see this as evidence that I am trying, not to enforce my views, but show you simple facts.Odoital25 (talk) 23:22, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

I have posted in conflict resolution and requested for assistance.

I never asked for action to be taken against you at the sockpuppet investigation so why would you have been punished. The evidence is there and you never challenged it when notified of it. Regardless of that my main beef as i've told you several times is your constantly ignoring of WP:BRD - whether your opinion is right or wrong. If you had of taken it to the talk page when requested the first time then all of this would of been sorted long ago with little fuss for either of us. I do find it bad faith that you have still ignored WP:BRD or failed to even acknowledge it.

I am willing to assume good faith and work with you if you stop reverting any future changes that you don't agree with in the article, especially now that Darkness Shines has provided a good reliable published source by Simon Furman himself. Whilst i still query the reliability of using a TV show as a direct source, it would appear to be viable under certain conditions and i am willing to help you incorporate them into the article failing the finding of published sources that could do the job instead. Mabuska ^(talk) 11:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

You keep adding OR, you've called my edits OR, threatened to report me, had an investigation ran on me, and now you try to be civil? Stop. I'm not getting rid of what I dont agree with. I was getting rid of OR. Not only that, check about citations, the show itself is an acceptable source. I havent tried to own the page, I had pointed out repeatedly sources in the show itself, but you still said it was OR. I didnt violate the rules. You just wanted your opinion to be right. Also, no action was taken against me. Therefore, um, yeah the fact that an investigation is irrelevant. Just leave me be. If you say anything else to me on here about your reasoning, then all your doing is proving your wanting to instigate, so stop. Odoital25 (talk) 21:04, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Where did i ever add OR? I paraphrased from TFWiki. That is not OR. I still have a mind to report you - not because of whether your right or not but for your ignorance of WP:BRD and initial refusal to discuss (something that others have complained about reading the above comments on your talk page) which fostered bad faith. There is no innocent party here.

I am more than happy to admit if my viewpoint is wrong and in regards to episodes as evidence it is it would appear, however when you talk of me trying to civil now - your ignoring of WP:BRD is hardly a shining example of civilness. Your distortion of my reasons for reporting you elsewhere can also be classified as uncivil. So lets stop trying to take the high ground with each other.

And just for the record, the sockpuppet investigation as i clearly stated at the start of it (if you read it in full) was to prove that you and the IPs were one and the same. Why? So that in a future report i would only have to refer to the one of you and show that your ignoring of WP:BRD goes beyond one incarnation of yourself. I never sought a punishment for you. I simply sought agreement you were all the same, which was given by the blocking of the two IPs for a week - if they were innocent independent editors then they wouldn't have been blocked.

As i've said many comments ago the Wikis aren't the best sources to use - but in the realm of Transformers articles it appears that that is all there is for most things. The whole Transformers WikiProject is seriously flawed and messed up and full of mass confusion that there is no real hope for most of it at the present time hence why i've only ever edited a few articles to do with them. If you wish to direct your focus to improving the Transformers WikiProject then by all means please do as it seems you have the energy for it - yet when you cite a TV episode, make sure you do it properly with reference tags. Mabuska ^(talk) 22:48, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Transmetals

Try using the following sources for the article [1][2][3] Darkness Shines (talk) 23:55, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

That is more like it. Mabuska ^(talk) 10:58, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Also, you should probably use that for your Transmetal two page which is only sourced by transformers wiki Odoital25 (talk) 21:04, 1 February 2012 (UTC).