User talk:Premeditated Chaos/Archive 3

Archive One and Archive Two.

I tend to reply on your talk page, not my own. If you'd rather just talk here, make note of that in your post. Feel free to comment or ask about anything. (Just, make headings when you start a new conversation, if you would be so kind)

Prince fo Persia

Hi. im working on the Prince of Persia part on wikipedia... as you can see there are more information about the characters added and im going to write some more... Just today i have found out that you made a page about the characters ((there ware almoust no links to that page)) and im not sure what to do with it. The info is very nice written but i dont want to put the page on the Template:Prince of Prsia series becouse i want to distinguish all of the characters on different pages. If you want to, drop some info from your page on those "mini pages" about the PoP guys... --sturm 07:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Me again :). The idea of making different pages for each pop character came when i saw the Hali-Life 2 page. For example check this out - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Isaac_Kleiner there's not too much info here but the hall thing looks great. So i was thinking to make separate links for The Prince, Farah and The Empress. The rest would go on one "characters" page with The Old Man, Maharaja, Vizier and some other less important guys... but then again it would make it more complicated and there still is the spoiler problem with Kaileena (i think its very good done right now)... Well the redirection of Dahaka alone whill not solve the problem. --sturm 09:43, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

OK i did it. We can call it a compromise :). I made 3 main characters pages - The Prince, The Sandsometing ant The Dark Prince - Characters: Farah, Old Man and stuff.... - Major Enemies: Vizier, Empress, Shahdee... Most of the info is left from your edition. I think this was the best way to do it. I have however left the redirection link in the Kaileena part to avoid a major spoiler. There is a lot of work left to be done on the page. The locations, the dark prince, the maharaja.... i could use some help ;) Hope you like the way the PoP wikipedia part looks now. Take care --sturm 14:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

oh and one more thing - i dont know how to delete the mini sites about the characters so i hope you can help me with that one :) --sturm 14:53, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

hmm im not sure about the items... The Sands Of Time article can be expanded into a really long one in the future... the same goes for the Water Sword - i was thinking about puting info about all special weapons in the game. Lets leave it this way for now. And about my grammar - hehe i cone from Poland so english is not my native language - thats where the mistakes come from :) --sturm 00:04, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Mweh

It's late, I'm tired, I'm so stuffed with caffeine I can stay awake all the way through to christmas and you have a blank talk page. The first three I can't change. The last one I just did. ^_^ Moo to you! And reply in here please, by the time I get to your talk page to write a response, I usually get distracted again by som- ... Oh, look at that pretty birdy! :: DarkLordSeth 03:38, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

• Hey, dude, how's it going? Yeah, my talk page was all narsty and overgrown so I pruned it...lol...even though I'm never on anymore. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|User:Premeditated Chaos/Sig]] 07:40, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Things have been peachy here, how about yourself? Been ages since we talked but I guess you're still on your slightly-enforced break from WikiPedia. And yeah, it was messy in the end. I'll clean up things for you when things become chaotic in here, next time. :) :: DarkLordSeth 17:33, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

• Eeeeyeah...it sucks because I'll be on looking for info for like a school project or whatever and I'll see some glaring typo or error and I can't fix it. Drives me batty, I tell you. Other than that I'm good. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|User:Premeditated Chaos/Sig]] 19:45, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

What do you mean with 'Can't fix it'? Just hit the edit button and fix the typo? :P :: DarkLordSeth 16:09, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

• Parentally enforced wiki-vacation. They check the history. They're creepy that way. Apparently the Wiki stops me concentrating on my schoolwork (which it does but that's entirely aside the point...) [[User:Premeditated Chaos|User:Premeditated Chaos/Sig]] 22:24, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I heard about stuff like that before. Parents installing keyloggers and reading up IM logs and all that. Seems some people are way too concerned and wonky these days... Besides, didn't you just have summer holidays over there in Canadia, eh? I dunno what your parents are so concerned aboot with you Wikipediaing ( Is that even a word? ) during your own holidays... :: DarkLordSeth 00:03, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

• Yeah...they're a touch weird. But I can get on sometimes when they're not in, so that's okay. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|User:Premeditated Chaos/Sig]] 19:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

By the way, where can I report abusive users? Some asshat got his panties in a bunch after disagreeing with me and I can't say he was quite civil about it. Instead of redirecting some offensive articles to his user page, I decided to forgo vigilante justice and just report this to the nearest admin that I know; You. :) :: DarkLordSeth 11:39, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

• Let's see...you added a bit to Lineage II about private servers, he NPOV-tagged it, you disagreed and took it off, and now he's reacting in a rather uncivil manner. Is that a fairly accurate summary? For now, instead of reporting him I'd try to follow dispute policy and talk it out with him nicely. Try to refrain from calling him names, and ask him to do the same. Explain your point (about how you think it is NPOV), and ask him to explain why he thinks it isn't. Get him to be as specific as possible, and try to be the same if he asks you for anything. See if he can add the opposing point of view to the article without removing or seriously altering what's already there. (After all, if he thinks it's biased, he ought to be able to provide an opposing view to fill in.) If he can't have the discussion without resorting to insults and general crankiness, try mediation. I'll keep an eye on the discussion, but, as your friend, I'm going to stay out as much as I can so it doesn't look like favoritism. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|User:Premeditated Chaos/Sig]] 21:03, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I was about to vandalize your suer page but I decided against it for now. But I'm still bored so I'm going to do random junk on your user page now, like poking you with a spoon or dancing the macarena in reverse..... while poking you with a spoon! :: DarkLordSeth 00:53, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

• But but but.... I would make it so much more better! Besides, I'm so tempted right now! >_< :: DarkLordSeth 11:28, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/ChaosGallantmon Crimson Mode

Hey there PMC. I'm closing out old VfDs and this one perplexed me a bit. I wouldn't know a Digimon from an Almond Joy, so I'm deferring to you. The nominator in this case had a trivial number of edits, so I can't in all good faith count his nom as a vote to delete, leaving the total at 1 delete vote to zero keep votes. If you think this article is bogus, VfD it again, will you? I don't want patently false information on the EnWiki, but it'd be a conflict of interest for me to get involved further with it. Fernando Rizo T/C 20:05, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikimania 2006

In the course of informal discussions at Wikimania in Frankfurt the possibility of having Wikimania 2006 in Vancouver was raised. What makes Canada desirable for such a meeting is the capacity to draw delegates from the United States. For many overseas delegates, however, U.S. visa requirements make that country less attractive. All else being equal, Europeans see Vancouver as a more interesting Canadian city to visit than Toronto, the only other Canadian city to receive significant consideration.

Preliminary bids from various cities need to be made by Sept. 30, 2005. A short list will be drawn from those bids. Is there enough interest and energy to put together such a conference in Vancouver for August 2006? The people in Frankfurt put on a tremendous gathering, with a core organizational group of about a dozen people. Some 400 people attended from 52 different countries.

I expect that a North American Wikimania could be a little smaller, but we would still need a suitable facility. It would be good to know that such a facility is available for a conference; the type of youth hostel facility that was used in Frankfurt does not exist in North America. What would be the cost of hosting such a conference at UBC?

I'm looking for interest and commitment. To that end I am proposing a Vancouver meetup for Saturday, Sept. 24. If someone has a reasonably accesible place for such a meeting please let me know. (I live in Richmond, but something in the city of Vancouver would be more appropriate.)

I am spammiong this to all Vancouver area Wikipedians that I can find. Please reply to my talk page. Eclecticology 21:50:16, 2005-09-03 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I have a 15-year old son, and would be delighted if he showed an interest in the Wiki! That being said, I also appreciate that Wikiactive youth would have just as much difficulty convincing their parents of the value of this project. Two often made suggestions when the issue of protection of youth from on-line predators comes up are to have live meetings in a public place in a public place, and for the youth to bring a parent to the meeting. I'm in a position to strongly influence the first condition, but can do nothing about the second. If, based on what you have said, you cannot make it on the 24th I will understand. Nevertheless, I still look forward to your participation at a future time. Eclecticology 18:31:07, 2005-09-04 (UTC)

Userpage vandalism, oh my!

Yeah, bad me. Though I do recall someone else repeatedly vandalizing my pretty (blank) userpage... I don't suppose you'd know anything about that, silly? *pet pet pet* ^_^ :: DarkLordSeth 15:52, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

You are a very bad little vandal! Shame on thee, fair lady! Now don't make me break out my somewhat offensive yet utterly awesome movie-quote templates! :D :: DarkLordSeth 17:35, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Your work on the double redirects project

Hi PMC,

I've just noticed that you've left a section on the double redirects project open for two days now - any plans on finishing it off soon? :-) it's the last left in that particular batch, so if you're not interested, I'll take it :-)

splintax ^(talk) 14:05, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

About your signature

Nice user page! Anyway, I would like to suggest to you using the signature/nickname field in the preferences section instead of linking to your signature page just because that will lower the Wikimedia bandwidth usage a bit. Just a suggestion, thanks. -- WB 05:49, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

• As far as I'm aware, my sig code is too big to fit in the sig space, unless they've made it bigger since I've checked last. Plus, linking to the page is a lot less ugly than two lines of formatting after every post. I could change it, yes, but I happen to like it and I'd rather not. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|User:Premeditated Chaos/Sig]] 16:53, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Go ahead. Nothing really serious anyway. lol -- WB 03:30, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikimania 2006

This is a reminder to all that there will be a meeting of Vancouver area Wikipedians on Saturday, Sept. 24, 2005 at 1:00 p.m. for all interested persons. We will meet in McDonald's at 897 Granville St. and Smithe in downtown Vancouver. This site was chosen simply because its central location and easy recognizability would make it easier for people who have never seen each other to find each other. Please feel free to bring additional interested people.

There are two questions to be discussed:

1. Is there any interest for starting a Vancouver (or BC) chapter of Wikipedia?
2. Is there enough interest and ability to make a Vancouver bid for Wikimania 2006?

Eclecticology 07:25, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I know that it will be difficult for you to come, but it's good to keep you posted anyway. Ec

Thanks for your efforts in this. Simon Pole was the only other person besides me to show up for the September 24th call-up, so there does not appear to be enough manpower available to organize Wikimania 2006 in Vancouver. Thus far it appears that Toronto has the best bid. Eclecticology 18:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

User Categorization

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Dahaka

• Hey man where did you put the old Dahaka from the POP??? I cant find it. If you will redirect the links from WArrior within POP game...

thanks for deleting prank

This is the first time I've had to ask for deletion. I was in the process of going through the three step deletion process when I saw your message. Thought speedy deletion was only an option for vandalism, but now that I think of it a prank is vandalism.... Thanks!Mike Linksvayer 23:58, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

PMC's Birday Cake!

Happy birthday to you!

Happy birthday to you!

Happy birthday dear Premeditated Chaos! *gasp!*

Happy birthday to you!

... There ought to be a law against my singing... :D

Barnstar

I, User:Purplefeltangel/sig, do hereby award you this barnstar for showing exemplary contributions to controversial articles, being the picture of levelheadedness, and being a great friend and overall fantastic Wikipedia contributor. Keep up the good work!

User:Purplefeltangel/sig 01:46, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Digi-stub

I'm part of the Stub Sorting Wikiproject. There is a a stub, {{Digi-stub}} / Category:Digimon stubs that has been on the Stub Sorting Discoveries page now since May, but is likely to see some action to resolve it soon as we go through them. The stub was not created according to the normal procedures, so the project needs to decide what to do with it. It's not a nonsense stub, nor is it only used by only one or two articles, so it hasn't been a priority for sending to Stub Types for Deletion. On the other hand, the stub sorting project generally prefers stub types to have either 60 stub articles or an associated WikiProject in order for them to be kept, and neither of those are true in the case of Digimon stubs. The Digimon stub stype is currently the oldest stub type on the discoveries list, so its fate is likely to be decided soon. I noticed that you had commented on Talk:List of Digimon so I thought I would solicit your input on these three questions.

1. If the Digimon stub type is kept it will need to be placed into the stub heirachy as the child of another stub type. If it is not kept, the atricles that are tagged with this stub will be restubbed with another stub type, likely the one it would be the child of, if it had been kept. The stub type that seems likeliest to me to be a parent is {{cvg-stub}} / Category:Computer and video game stubs, which also serves as a parent for the Pokemon stubs, but if you have a different place you think it belongs I would like to hear of it.

2. Is there a Digimon Wikiproject?

3. Are there Digimon articles that should be marked with a stub tag that aren't?

Thank you for your time. Any reply you wish to make, I would appreciate that it be made on my talk page Caerwine 18:06, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I just discovered that there is indeed a Wikiproject, Wikipedia:WikiProject Digimon Systems Update, so that potential objection seems satisfied. Caerwine 18:11, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to Esperanza!

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Esperanza spaces

I saw your support of the idea for a page redesign on WP:ESP/P. If you like, I'll give your page a go. I'm a bit bored at the moment and would love a challenge like this. What do you say? --Celestianpower ^háblame 21:10, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Right, done. What do you think? --Celestianpower ^háblame 11:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad you like it! :) --Celestianpower ^háblame 00:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of Image:en-Doctor Who theme music.ogg

I must tell you I am disappointed that you didn't even bother to reply to my fair use claim on the talk page before deleting File:En-Doctor Who theme music.ogg. Even if you disagreed with my claim, it could only have been good manners to have acknowledged it. --throup ✆ ✍ 17:52, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

January 2006 Seattle meetup

Redwolf24 mentioned on Wikipedia:Meetup/Seattle3 that you might be interested. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:18, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Ah, well, I suppose you are approaching the age where they won't have much say in the matter. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:53, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Better Off Dead (Soundtrack)

Hi, PMC. I removed the POV and added some new information to Better Off Dead (Soundtrack), so I was hoping you might consider changing your vote to merge if you don't think the article should stand on its own. Thanks! Cheers! Edwardian 04:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks again, PMC! Edwardian 17:44, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

User page deletion due to resignation?

Hi., I would like to understand the policy in which you based your speedy deletion of User:Joshuaschroeder. Could you please orient me in this matter? Many thanks. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 19:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank for your response. My question was related to the fact that the user placed a case in arbitration a couple of days ago, so I was surprised to see his user page gone. Thanks again for the clarification.≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 16:56, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

deletion question

hi,

so, um, how come you deleted "curry code"? like "spaghetti code", curry code is a term for sloppy, messy code. except its spaghetti code that comes out of india.

i dont know what you do for a living, but i program. i work for huge companies across the country that outsource coding to india. in many, many cases, the code comes back all whack (spaghetti code). people in my industry call spaghetti code from india "curry code".

thats an observation. how is it "racist"? because it refers to a poor 3rd-world country? my point is, its not racist -- no judgement is made about citizens of india. no inferment is made that brown-skinned people are bad programmers.

no. rather, all it is says is: spaghetti code from india is called "curry code". the dictionary entry: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curry_code.

you cant try to stop language.

please let me know your thoughts on this. i am user mdelvecchio99.

thanks, matt

Esperanza elections

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News from Esperanza

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Galleria

Hey, I'm not sure, but your subpage User:Premeditated_Chaos/galleria might could possibly maybe violate Wikipedia policy and U.S. copyright law prohibiting fair use images in the user namespace. But...I don't quite know. Yeah, there are a bunch of fair use images technically in the User namespace, but they're also demonstrating your contributions to Wikipedia, which is certainly admirable. I'm not going to touch it at all (unless I have some sort of epiphany), but I thought you might want to know that I stumbled across it there and thought it potentially questionable. Someone more ornery than I may come and harass you about that, but I don't see the harm in a gallery like that. (It's also out of date a bit. :-P) See you around! —BorgHunter ^alt (talk) 22:42, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

An Esperanzial note

As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of myself as Admin General and FireFox, Titoxd, Flcelloguy and Karmafist as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at WP:ESP/ACM. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at WP:ESP/ACM2.

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Another Esperanzial note...

Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

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Help needed please

Hi...if you have time, I'd like your help and assistance please!

I'm a relatively new member, so please bare with me :) I would like you help and/or advice in dealing with a certain user please. The user is question is Hotwiki. After making improvements to articles such as the Spice Girls (which I completely rewrote) and their members pages (Geri Halliwell, Melanie Brown, Victoria Beckham, Melanie Chisholm and Emma Bunton), its become very clear that hotwiki has a problem with me and constantly reverts any improvements I made to articles (best illustrated on the Geri Halliwell page, where he is also reverting edits made by other users).

There is a dispute over the Spice Girls discography; it was recently suggested that the Spice Girls library be merged with it and that the solo information included on the page be put on the girls own individual pages. The consensus agreement after discussions agreed with this view - with the sole exception of hotwiki, who seems to think he has some divine say over what does and does not go into the articles. And last night he made his objections personal, contravening wiki regulations on civility, in the Geri discussion page. This dispute has since spiralled and is effecting other pages. After discussions with other users on the best course of action, it was suggested that I should contact an admin to help resolve this childish situation - because quite frankly its petty and reflects very badly on Wikipedia.

Hotwiki is generally rude, arrogant and very hostile with a range of users - simply look at his discussion page and/or the additions he made to other people's discussion pages for evidence of this. His problem with me personally could well stem from outside of Wikipedia; I was a moderator on a large internet forum, which stemmed from a Spice Girls fan site. I don’t know what hotwiki's username is on the forum, but he has made it clear he was/is a member; so his hostility to me might stem from the fact I gave him an official warning or banned him whilst being a mod. Who knows. What is clear though is that he cannot continue the way he is acting because it reflects badly on this site and creates a negative and hostile environment.

Any help or advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated - and for now I'd like to keep this conversation on your discussion page (rather than mine) if you don’t mind. I am also going to contact one or two other users to see if they wish to make a contribution to this complaint, that way giving you more scope and different points of view. Thanks for you time - sorry to bother you over something so incredibly lame! Rimmers 01:13, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I second Rimmers' statement. Your help would be beneficial. —Eternal Equinox | talk 01:58, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay...I had a look over the pages and their respective Talks, as well as Hotwiki's Talk. My opinion on the problem is divided. On the one hand, hotwiki is being rather rude towards you both, and I can see that you're trying to remain civil, which is comendable. on the other hand, I'm personally biased against splitting band articles into branch articles such as Spice Girls awards. I watched the User:Everyking/Ashlee Simpson debacle unfold last year, and it was not a good thing. If you want an administrator to get heavily involved, I'd recommend that you ask someone else without a bias. However, if you'd like, I will leave a message on his Talk page asking him to be more civil - contact from an admin might help, it might not.

If it doesn't cease, I would suggest hitting RFC for some outside opinions on the issue. Hotwiki may stand down if enough people suggest that his behavior is unacceptable.

I'm sorry I can't be more help. I just don't think it'd be fair for me to get involved when I have a personal bias on the issue. ♠PMC♠ 03:49, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1

Reach out Reach out is a program aimed at allowing users to bring issues that they have had in Wikipedia to a listening, sympathetic and caring audience: "No one can know how we feel if we do not say. We cannot expect to get understanding if we do not ask for it. No one will dispute that sometimes life's issues are too much for one person. It is fair to say that sometimes Wikipedia's problems fall under the same heading. This is a place where you can bring the bruises that can sometimes be got on this project for attention." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Note from the editor Welcome to this new format of the Esperanza Newsletter, which came about during the last Advisory Council meeting - we hope you like it! The major changes are that each month, right after the Council meeting, this will be sent out and will include two featured programs and a sum up of the meeting. Also, it will be signed by all of the Advisory Council members, not just Celestianpower. Have an Esperanzial end of March, everyone!

The last AC meeting (full log) Future meetings are to be held monthly, not fortnightly as before. Bans and Access level changes (apart from autovoice) in the IRC channel are to be reported at the new log. In the IRC channel, there is going to be only one bot at a time. The charter requires members to have 150 edits and 2 weeks editing. Why this is the case will be clarified. A new Code of Conduct will be drafted by JoanneB and proposed to the Esperanza community. The NPA reform idea is to be dropped officially. Charter ammendments are to be discussed in future, not voted on. The Advisory Council is not going to be proposed to be expanded by the Advisory Council themselves, if others want to propose it, they will listen. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 17:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Deleting articles

Hi Premeditated Chaos, when you delete articles could you also delete all redirects to it (you can find them by clicking "What linsk here" before or after deleting the article). Cheers, —Ruud 01:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #2

Barnstar Brigade The Barnstar Brigade is a new program aimed at giving more very deserving yet unappreciated users barnstars. It will officially start on 2006-04-09, but signing up is encouraged before this date: "Here in Wikipedia, there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go un-appreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go un-noticed. Sadly, these editors often leave the project. As Esperanzians, we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. A project the size of Wikipedia has thousands of editors, so there are plenty of people out there who deserve recognition, one just has to find them. The object of this program is not to flood editors with Barnstars, but to seek out people who deserve them, and make them feel appreciated." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Information Welcome to the second issue of the new format Esperanza Newsletter - we hope you still like it! This week, it was delivered diligently by our new dogsbody. MiszaBot (run by Misza13): any execution complaints should go to him. Content comments should be directed at the Esperanza talkpage. Thanks!

The last AC meeting (full log) The next elections: Approval voting as before and, also as before, an previous leadership member can run. Please submit your name for voting in the relevant section of this page. Voting starts on 2006-04-23 and ends on 2006-04-30. There will be three places up for grabs as KnowledgeOfSelf is leaving Wikipedia. Please see the previously linked page for full details. The Code of Conduct is now ready for extensive discussion! Specific comments should go to the Code of Conduct talk page, discussion of having one at all should be directed to the main Esperanza talk page. The current process for accepting proposals for new programs has been deemed fine. All Advisory Council members and the Admin Gen are to endevour to be bold when viewing discussion. If they feel that consensus has been reached, they will act accordingly. A plea from the editor... The propsed programs page is terribly underused! Please leave any comments, good or bad, on the page, to help us determine the membership's thoughts on the ideas there. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 19:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Shock and Awe

Hello Premeditated Chaos, I don't want to cause any trouble because I'm new here (at least as an editor), so I'd like to talk off the record to a few good contributors about a problem I see on an article that you've edited. Your contributions seem solid, so maybe you can help me. I've been using the Wikipedia definition of "Shock and Awe" for several months because I like how it described the type of warfare that "Shock and Awe" is and also how it gave a link to a definition of "rapid dominance" (of which it claims to be a subset).

In the last couple of days, however, a user called JW1805 edited the article and I think he made the definition much worse.[1] It now says that "Shock and Awe is a military doctrine," whereas is used to say exactly what type of military doctrine it falls into: "Shock and Awe is a method of unconventional warfare." Isn't the old definition more informative? According to the definition of Conventional warfare, I don't think anyone could call it that. So, I think it's safe and informative to say that "Shock and Awe" fits into the definition of unconventional warfare, don't you?

Also JW1805 removed the link to "Rapid dominance," deleted the "Rapid dominance" article and redirected it to "Shock and Awe." Yet the "Shock and Awe" article still says, "Its authors label [shock and awe] a subset of Rapid Dominance." Does that make any sense to you? According to RUSI Journal 141:8-12 Oct '96, "Rapid dominance" is an "intellectual construct" whereas "Shock and awe" is one "method" of implementing that construct. Obviously they are not the same thing. So, why would JW1805 redirect "Rapid dominance" to "Shock and Awe?" Why would he delete the "Rapid dominance" article and the link to it?

I went to JW1805's talk page to speak directly to him, but I read what others have said to him, and it seems to be the same story: if you are only one person complaining, JW1805 considers you a troublemaker and has his friends ban you, but if more than one person gets together and says the same thing, he listens. If you feel the same way as I about his edits to "Shock and Awe" and "Rapid dominance," I'm sure we can work together to get the best definition back in place. Are you up for something like that? --Larnue the dormouse 22:42, 8 April 2006 (UTC)