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== I know this is against policy ==

But I want to offer my condolences. She was such a great singer, and I know she was a good person. Drugs can get the best of any of us. I'm so sad about her death :( [[Special:Contributions/174.58.138.200|174.58.138.200]] ([[User talk:174.58.138.200|talk]]) 07:23, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

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Dates are all wrong

Someone needs to edit the entire Whitney Houston page. All the dates are off by 20 years. Notice the birthdate in the box on the right is 20 years different from the date in the paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.10.69.125 (talk) 17:21, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death date is off one year...February 11, 2012, not February 11, 2011. 99.74.252.232 (talk) 01:22, 12 February 2012 (UTC)dgdave1977[reply]

Can you change the photo

Can you upload a new Whitney photo? maybe a nice one from this year — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombo671 (talk • contribs)

It's really hard to get new photos of Whitney. I'm trying my best to get one though. Novice7 (talk) 12:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is she dead?

On Yahoo, there are reports that she died. Is that true? (01:14, 10 February 2012) User:Skbrettbug

Yes. She is dead, and the article has been updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.171.169 (talk) 01:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Someone is editing the article right now and linking to the September 13 article. Can someone block that dude please? 178.190.69.175 (talk) 01:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, guys. TMZ is reporting that she was found dead in her hotel room at the Beverly Hills Hotel. http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/11/whitney-houston-dead/#.TzccJdXAGSo --99.108.248.27 (talk) 01:56, 12 February 2012 (UTC)HypoAllergenic Jin[reply]

Something is wrong with the top of page image.

I think there's a bug on the page. The image of Whitney doing a performace in 2009 now has the following text associated with it:

"Whitney Houston performing on Good Morning America, Central Park, New York City, on September 1, 2009 and died on February 11th, 2012."

I went to edit the page to remove the strange text (yes, I know she died yesterday but but that's not really relevant to the picture) but I the text associated with the pic ended at the 2009 part and I couldn't find the phrase "and died" anywhere. 89.101.214.246 (talk) 01:15, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 12 February 2012

Whitney houston, death: Her publicist announced that she was dead. Cause is not being released because cops are "investigating" the case. Dwkarate (talk) 01:18, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Problem

I can't seem to edit... I keep getting edit conflicts. Publicist Nancy Seltzer has denied that Whitney is dead, saying she is alive and well in New Jersey. [1] --Cowlinator (talk) 01:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

She is very much dead. The article you have posted is dated from the 13th of September. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grantmitch1 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
...oops --Cowlinator (talk) 01:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The article is still wrong. It cites the 13. September source now. Can someone undo this please? 178.190.69.175 (talk) 01:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 12 February 2012

Typo in Whitney Houston death section. The cause of her death *was unknown, not "were unknown."

She died at the Beverly Hills Hotel, not in Canada.

71.31.220.95 (talk) 01:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Already fixed. Pinkadelica♣ 01:34, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Death

Death rumors are merely rumors. Please refrain from editing that information until all news sources confirm the SAME story. We are not a gossip site and don't want to change every 30 seconds. --ProfPolySci45 (talk) 01:39, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CNN, CBS News, and USA Today all confirm. Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:41, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto Talk Talk newsfeed which reads "Publicist Kristen Foster said that the singer had died, but the cause and the location of her death were unclear. However, Beverly Hills police Lt Mark Rosen told KABC-TV that Houston died in her room on the fourth floor of the Beverly Hilton and Beverly Hills detectives were investigating."79.70.228.142 (talk) 03:00, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl79.70.228.142 (talk) 03:00, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC is also reporting what the IP user mentioned. I'd call that not a rumor, but a well documented fact. Thanks to those who added the information to the article.Wzrd1 (talk) 05:42, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 12 February 2012

edit place of death

68.45.149.30 (talk) 02:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If it is needed

She died at 3:55 PM Pacific Time in her Beverly Hilton Hotel according to the police. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supergamer22 (talk • contribs) 02:08, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Watching several differents news, BBC is live in a helicopter above the hotel with a lot of media and police outside. Speculation is now circulating her boyfriend found her. Dontforgetthisone (talk) 02:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Speculations without reliable sourcing cannot be added to the article.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps try <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17001548> if you are not happy with US media as reliable sources???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.70.228.142 (talk) 03:22, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Drug Use

There should be info on her long use of drugs--60.242.71.160 (talk) 02:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agree - and I'm sure it will all be mentioned at aCoroner' s Inquest - there is bound to be one: insurance companies nowadays insist on one, as they did with Amy Winehouse, as the payouts involved after the death of someone who brings in this much revenue are massive. Most insurance policies in the industry contain 'no drug use' clauses. They insist on thorough toxicology reports after a sudden death, so a background containing details her known use (with reliable references to newspaper reports etc ) might be worth someone working on, perhaps separately , and adding to this section. The drug abuse spans the past 2 decades now. 79.70.228.142 (talk) 03:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl79.70.228.142 (talk) 03:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There IS mention of drug use scattered all through the article. Mentioning it further, in the death section, would be pure OR and speculation. As she died from a non-apparent cause (per BBC reporting) with no sign of criminal activity and the fact that she's a "VIP", there will be an autopsy. Leave speculation for the trash news papers, magazines and blog sites. Wikipedia is for encyclopedic information.Wzrd1 (talk) 05:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Body found by brother

CNN is reporting that her body was actually found by her brother who was part of her entourage. It was not found by Ray-J — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.229.102.208 (talk) 02:59, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 12 February 2012

edit place of death

68.45.149.30 (talk) 02:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd advise continuing to use the BBC reports as to detail, as there are several conflicts between various US sources.12 Feb: 02:52 GMT79.70.228.142 (talk) 02:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl79.70.228.142 (talk) 02:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC) According to Talk Talk newsfeed: "Publicist Kristen Foster said that the singer had died, but the cause and the location of her death were unclear. However, Beverly Hills police Lt Mark Rosen told KABC-TV that Houston died in her room on the fourth floor of the Beverly Hilton and Beverly Hills detectives were investigating." Feel the police source is more reliable than a publicist who may not even be on the scene. Would the publicist ask for edits for a specific reason ???79.70.228.142 (talk) 02:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl79.70.228.142 (talk) 02:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 12 February 2012

Please remove external link to "welovesoaps.net" which was added [1].

Per Wikipedia:EL and Wikipedia:BLP policy; that site does not add any fact that could not be added to the article with a reference. Its either a reliable source, or it is not. Wikipedia:V

88.104.27.162 (talk) 02:49, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed Already removed. Pinkadelica♣ 04:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar and death

This comes up every time someone dies and articles are edited, replacing present with past tense. The problem here is that the present tense should stand in many cases. Witney still IS "the most awarded female act of all time", her death in and of itself does not change that fact. What would change that, and mean a change to the past tense would be appropriate, is if some other female was to gain more awards than Whitney. Whitney also remains "one of the world's best-selling music artists, having sold over 170 million albums, singles and videos worldwide", so this, too, should remain in the present tense.

Just because a person dies, it does not make all their achievements null and void. Certain facts will remain forever true. 60.242.166.197 (talk) 03:11, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this is a 'localization' conflict - there are many English variants worldwide - all have rather unique (often contradictory) grammatical niceties and spelling variations. Its up to the page editor to choose which he/she/they use as their native language. UK English uses the past tense - see for example the BBC report at <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17001548>....." Houston's background WAS steeped in soul and gospel music...Her mother WAS gospel singer Cissy Houston and she WAS cousin to singer Dionne Warwick, and goddaughter to Aretha Franklin". -- 79.70.228.142 (talk) 03:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl79.70.228.142 (talk) 03:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're entirely missing the point. None of those are ongoing achievements; they all require past tense in any English "variant". But "the most awarded female act of all time" remains Whitney Houston. -- 98.108.201.173 (talk) 04:44, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Protection question

Do we need to protect the talk page? We've had some vandalism here, easy to revert, and i dont want to unnecessarily keep sincere IP's from making edit requests.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To judge by the vast number of non-registered users and speculation, protection may be a good idea. I'd suggest protecting the article, lest it become a butchered mess (such as with the tense discussion above).Wzrd1 (talk) 05:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 12 February 2012

There is extremely offensive material at the end of the 'Death' section. Please remove it.

128.180.139.31 (talk) 03:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC) Had already been deleted before your request got posted 79.70.228.142 (talk) 03:57, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl79.70.228.142 (talk) 03:57, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 12 February 2012

February 11, 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorge0112 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On the cause of death: Beverly Hills Police Lt. Mark Rosen said there were "no obvious signs of criminal intent" and that the cause of her death is being investigated (http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/11/showbiz/whitney-houston-dead/index.html).

Jorge0112 (talk) 04:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Any none gossip sites reporting this? Gossip websites such as star-spin and TMZ aren't considered reliable sources. Secret account 04:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Did I miss something, Secret? Or are you mentioning some other section with gossip sites? CNN is reporting, as Jorge posted, which is most certainly NOT a gossip site, but a news site. The BBC is also reporting the death, a bit more accurately than CNN apparently initially did, even IF it cost them the "scoop". Thankfully, the article is now semi-protected, as it looked like there was going to be a bit of an edit mess by non-registered editors.Wzrd1 (talk) 05:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing Rolling Stone biography

Note that in several parts of the article there are references (some with citation tags) to one or more Rolling Stone biographies, the most current of which is this, but some citation extracts refer to what is much the same Rolling Stone biography, only dated earlier and with different wording, such as:

Houston "redefined the image of a female soul icon and inspired singers ranging from Mariah Carey to Beyoncé." (emphasis mine)

The current version of which sentence is this:

"Houston became one of the most successful female recording artists of all time, redefining the image of a female soul icon and inspiring singers ranging from Mariah Carey to Rihanna."

In such a case, it should be preferable to keep the original reference, with an archive.org link.

Unfortunately, I discovered the earlier reference is also a deadlink and has no archive.org capture and so while it's probably better to refer to the earlier reference, then its being a deadlink introduces difficulties... Possible solution is to find a reference that still contains exactly the same text that was extracted for a citation. -Mardus (talk) 04:16, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, this being Wikipedia, it might now be the only place on the Internet to contain the exact same extract from the earlier reference. -Mardus (talk) 05:08, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio

This entire portion "News of her death elicited a flood of reaction from fans and fellow celebrities. Aretha Franklin said, "It's so stunning and unbelievable. I couldn't believe what I was reading coming across the TV screen". Dolly Parton, who wrote "I Will Always Love You" said, "mine is only one of the millions of hearts broken over the death of Whitney Houston. I will always be grateful and in awe of the wonderful performance she did on my song and I can truly say from the bottom of my heart, 'Whitney, I will always love you. You will be missed"." is a copyvio of the source, look at it:[2] It needs to be properly paraphrased. I removed the content once and don't intend to edit war at this time. I'd rather see it fixed for proper inclusion. My76Strat (talk) 05:38, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've paraphrased. —David Levy 05:49, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and that is much better. To get this story right, we need to be diligent regarding the content as it comes in and correct cut and paste type entries. Thanks for fixing that one. My76Strat (talk) 05:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Honors section

Recently, an editor removed her honors navboxes They appeared as shown above. I have restored them, but their inclusion is up for debate.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:44, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As per other times that this has come up - these templates are spam templates with links to hundreds of unrelated articles and artists ...Interwiki spam templates is the term. As has been said before ..Best to have them on the relevant song or album pages - No need for hundreds of links to albums and people completely unrelated to this topic page. Old talk that should be reviewed --> Talk:The Beatles/Archive 26#Options .07:15, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I know this is against policy

But I want to offer my condolences. She was such a great singer, and I know she was a good person. Drugs can get the best of any of us. I'm so sad about her death :( 174.58.138.200 (talk) 07:23, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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