Talk:Americana music

this intro is not very descriptive

this intro is not very descriptive. an intro should be simple as hell. i know what american music is, i listen to it every time i go back, but this intro does not really describe anything. the intro is like a river that wants to reach a single end but keeps splitting on itself. rock and roll is a form of rock and roll music that is based on the convergence of rock music and the roll music of the blah blah blah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.29.148 (talk) 00:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Merger to American folk music?

• Oppose: Seems there is a trend here to merge things related to "Folk Music". American roots music has been merged to American folk music, while Roots music was merged into World music. While these terms all overlap and can at times be interchanged I don't think they are all identical. "Americana" for example is fairly well-defined as a radio format that does not usually inclued everything that might be considered American folk music. One is more or less a sub-set of the other. -MrFizyx 21:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge into Alternative Country?

The article basically says they're the same thing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.70.143.93 (talk) 08:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

I disagree. Americana is more of a catch-all term. It includes bluegrass, and possibly some more urban folk music than what is generally considered alt.country. Of course it would be nice if someone would find sources describing these things and reference them... -128.146.34.232 00:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

american vs citizen of the US

Yes, I know a little clunky, but Argentinians, Panamanians, Mexicans and Canadians are all American, so why say Neil Young is not American? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.63.224 (talk) 01:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I changed it to "not all bands are from the United States." I think that should address your concerns and still read well. Marshall Stax (talk) 12:45, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Sources

Dunno how to throw up the "this article does not cite sources" banner, but this article cites no sources. This problem is pandemic across Americana and folk related articles that I've seen - mostly they look like people randomly adding bands they like under the heading. Pretty un-encyclopedic, would be my 2c. --Jordanp (talk) 06:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

wow.

this article is not very descriptive or encyclopedic.

I wikified a bit, and removed folks from the list of notables if they were red linked. Now, every one of those 'notable amercana artists' needs to be identified in thier wikipedia article as an americana artist, you can't just say 'joan osborne' because she's american and doesn't fit in a rock and roll box. --Rocksanddirt (talk) 18:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Needs cleanup. Style is personal and essay-like, not encyclopedic. Needs sources too. Please help out! Regards, Mondeo (talk) 20:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Problem with one sentence in "Americana as a radio format" section

I'm hardly a veteran wiki editor, nevertheless, I do know a thing or two about music history. I won't bore you with my bona fides. So, what's my problem? It's the following sentence, essentially the penultimate sentence in the aforementioned section:
While the musical model can be traced back to the Elvis Presley marriage of 'hillbilly music' and R&B that birthed rock 'n roll,
Problems

• Do you really want to trace an entire musical genre to one person? While it's true Presley was quite arguably "an original" and that alone buys him much claim to influence not withstanding his popularity, which I'm even separating out from this argument -- that is, I'm saying yes, even Presley's original music was influential in its own right. But to say he "married hillbilly with R&B? To say that as if it's something that's firstly, set in stone, secondly not even open for debate, and lastly as if it's that clear and clean cut of a dissection of Presley's originality... no, I'm sorry, I do not accept that. Presley was influenced, like every songwriter, by all the music surrounding him both in his childhood as well as in his teenage years. And this will necessarily include (gasp) Big Band -- admittedly a dying, if not already dead form, but one that nevertheless still had a strong influence on everyone. A musical form that had ”only“ gripped the USA for up to 30 or 40 years prior, ”carrying the country through TWO World Wars“ is not going to ”go quietly into that good night.“ It will have some lingering influence. I will spare everyone a detailed accounting of the year this song came out and the year that song came out and the potential influence song-A had on song-B, etc. This is my point, anyone with a reasonable education in Music History -- or even better, with a good ”feel“ for music, can construct these arguments -- I'm unfortunately looking for a job at the moment and thus out of time.
  

• This is my main problem: to blithely claim, in passing, as if it's no more contested than the fact that the sun will rise in the East that said marriage alluded to above, and the corresponding implication that Elvis Presley, as ingenious wedding-arranger-creator-merger ... BIRTHED ROCK 'N ROLL ... My G-d man, that's taking hero worship to a whole new level. And I only point this out in the hope that other will take up this uncontested and glib statement. Sure, yes, of course E.P. did have an influence, indeed, even a major influence on Rock 'n Roll. But to say he birthed it? Please. That's simply going not just a little too far, but into the end zone, in the the crowd sitting in the bleachers, out of the stadium and eventually into whichever ocean 1,000 miles away you will in which you will end up. No, I am sorry, just for starters, and this is as far as I have time to go, just for starters can we mention the Beatles? As there is no agreed, set-in-stone firm point-in-time in which anyone... anyone can claim "rock 'n Roll" was born, it certainly then must make more sense to talk of a continuum at the least, over say 5 - 10 years in which Rock 'n Roll was Birthed (really, developed, evolved, or any other synonym would do, as it applies to a range of time, not "ding" let's pull out R&R from the microwave now, it's ready to eat.

Frumiousfalafel (talk) 21:49, 11 October 2011 (UTC)