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I have removed the explanation of "Turn on, tune in, drop out," as it is contrary to Leary's own explanation in "Start Your Own Religion"
I have removed the explanation of "Turn on, tune in, drop out," as it is contrary to Leary's own explanation in "Start Your Own Religion"


[[Special:Contributions/50.53.144.108|50.53.144.108]] ([[User talk:50.53.144.108|talk]]) 23:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC)Josh, 02/15/2012
[[Special:Contributions/50.53.144.108|50.53.144.108]] ([[User talk:50.53.144.108|talk]]) 23:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC


==External links==
==External links==

Revision as of 23:13, 15 February 2012

At the end of the "Influence" section

I have removed the explanation of "Turn on, tune in, drop out," as it is contrary to Leary's own explanation in "Start Your Own Religion"

50.53.144.108 (talk) 23:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC

I'm not sure I understand or agree with the criteria used to delete all these external links, especially since none was provided. I think arbitrarily deleting 12 links added by other editors requires at least some discussion. Some of them seem to me to be as valid as some of what's left. On the other hand, I think a section with a different name might be more appropriate than just "external links". That seems to have become a repository for just about anything related to Leary. I will create an Interviews section for some of these links, and think about other possibilities. Maybe "Websites devoted to Timothy Leary". In the meantime, as a work resource, here are the deleted links:

Some will, of course, remain deleted. Rosencomet (talk) 22:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dismissal

I changed the wording so it is not contradictory. If the stated & cited reason was failure to fulfill his obligations as a faculty member, to advance another reason makes little sense. However, to theorize that an additional factor may have influenced the decision, i.e. to say either that he would not have been dealt with as harshly if he had not also been in disfavor due to his unpopular LSD activities, or that his "failure to complete his lecture schedule" was just an excuse to dismiss him, is not contradictory (though, as sheer conjecture, it still may not belong in this article at all). Rosencomet (talk) 18:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Greenfield's biography has been criticized by many of Leary's colleagues as derogatory and inaccurate. Furthermore, the citation here isn't even from his biography, but from a book review of it. Even further, the quote doesn't match the citation; the quote reads "Chaotic tripping parties ensued, involving students, under "spiritual" or "philosophical" pretexts. In 1963, Harvard — famous for protecting its own — finally choked on the negative publicity and summarily dismissed Leary and Alpert." Not only is there no mention of allegations that Leary and Alpert gave drugs to undergraduates, but it mocks the notion that the Millbrook group used psychedelics for spiritual and/or philosophical purposes, calling these "pretexts". Finally, this claim as to the reason Leary was dismissed contradicts both Andrew Weil's statements and those of the president of Harvard. I believe it violates the guidelines for Wikipedia biographies, and is improperly cited. Simply stating that his dismissal was "after" some allegations by unknown and unquoted persons is not encyclopedic, especially when we have the real reason for dismissal from two reliable sources. I am deleting the line. Rosencomet (talk) 14:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am also deleting the following line "Around this time, their Harvard colleagues grew uneasy about their research, and about the rumors and complaints (some by parents of students) that had reached the university administration about Leary and Alpert's alleged distribution of hallucinogens to their students." This line has had a citation needed tag since February of 2007, and is certainly the kind of claim that should not be in a biography without proper citation. Rosencomet (talk) 15:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also deleting the following line that has been unsourced since April of 2007. If someone can find a citation that isn't a quote of this very Wikipedia article, please return it to the article with the citation. " He was frequently spotted at raves with Psychic TV and alternative rock concerts (Ministry), including a memorable mosh pit experience at an early Smashing Pumpkins concert.[citation needed]"
I believe that eliminates all outstanding citation requests, so I am deleting the tag requiring them. The article has 32 references. Rosencomet (talk) 15:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Psychedelic experiments and experiences section

"... when Ken Kesey's Merry Pranksters visited the residence, the Pranksters did not even see Leary, who was engaged in a three-day trip."

In most articles, this sentence would only have one meaning. For an article on Timothy Leary, however, the sentence is ambiguous. I don't whether he was travelling or conducting an experiment on himself. 58.106.43.11 (talk) 01:37, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, most documentaries state that he was recovering from a heavy trip, and refusing to come down from his room to greet them... --Torsrthidesen (talk) 01:05, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According with Timothy Leary's auto-biography (Flashbacks) published in 1983, in the second part of the book, at chapter 24 (Pranksters Come to Millbrook) pages 204/205 we have two versions of the story. Timothy Leary there explains that the first version is Tom Wolfe's version originally published in 1968 on the book "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" which reports: "Where was Leary? Everyone was waiting for the great meeting of Leary and Kesey ... Well, word came down that Leary was upstairs in the mansion engaged in a very serious experiment, a three-day trip, and could not be disturbed"

The second version of the story is Timothy Leary's version which reports: "I had been spending a few days in New York with Nanette (nickname for Nena von Schlebrügge, Leary's third wife). In Grand Central Station, waiting for the return train, I came down with a shivering sweaty flu. Around midnight Dick (nickname for Richard Alpert, later Ram Dass) met me at the Poughkeepsie station full of the news. Ken Kesey and his fabled day-go bus had arrived unanounced"

According with Timothy Leary's version, him and Ken Kesey didn't meet that night because he felt very ill and went straight to bed. Timothy Leary's version continues by saying that the very next day, him and Ken Kesey with some of the Pranksters met in his personal office at the mansion in Millbrook and there they promised each other to stay in touch as allies.

During an interview in the late 90s, Ken Kesey was asked about the Pranksters' arrival in Millbrook and this controversial meeting with Leary. Kesey's answer was fully supporting Tom Wolfe's version and he said also that him and the Pranksters ultimately went away from the mansion without having met Leary at all. italinux (talk) 20:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with Dates

If he was fired from Harvard in 1963 (...lecturer in psychology at Harvard University (1959–1963). He was fired from Harvard for failing to conduct his scheduled class...) how did he return to Harvard in fall of 1965? Was he hired back? No info is given. Anyone got any sources? Need to plug this hole. Did Harvard forgive him or did he beg them to take him back? Meishern (talk) 23:21, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According with Timothy Leary's auto-biography (Flashbacks) published in 1983, he didn't mention anything about Harvard during fall of 1965.
By fall 1965 he was already at the mansion in Millbrook, New York and was busy giving lectures and doing shows with some of his fellow companions all along the East coast, USA.
The aim of these shows was to reproduce psychedelic experiences and they used wording, lights, colours, strobe and some sort of kaleidoscope.
By the end of fall 1965 Millbrook mansion was ultimately closed down and Timothy Leary with his family travelled south towards Mexico where they got busted for $10 weed (2 joints). italinux (talk) 20:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One of Timothy Leary's first jobs

I read an article in Rolling Stone a few years ago about Tim Leary and was surprised to see that he was credited for working in a psychologist's office in my hometown, Butler, Pa as one of his first jobs. Unfortunately, that was all it really said and I haven't been able to gather any infrormation on it. It would be very interesting for me to learn more about this, and perhaps not coincidentally, the town has a bit of a hippie subculture following in parts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.144.2.26 (talk) 15:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Concord prison experiment

An anon recently deleted some unsourced text, and I'm adding it here for archival purposes. Text follows: Viriditas (talk) 05:18, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

.The results of this experiment were later largely contested by a follow-up study, citing several problems, including time differences monitoring the study group versus the control group, and other methodology factors, including the difference between subjects re-incarcerated for parole violations versus those imprisoned for new crimes. The study that contested Leary's research concluded that only a statistically slight improvement could be shown by using psilocybin (as opposed to the significant improvement Leary reported).

There actually is a source for that in the article - I thought it was very bizarre to read about the positive results of this experiment, click on the source for it, and find that the source was a follow-up study that found the original experiment's reported findings to be incorrect. I'm going to put that text back in. Weremorl (talk) 05:19, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On Progeny...

In the latter passages of this biography, there is mention of a son, Zachary. However, the article only details the birth of a daughter Susan and son Jack (born in 1947 & 1949, respectively) throughout the entire course of his life. Was this Zachary an hallucination of himself and those around him or did we just forget to mention when and under what circumstances he came into being?
--K10wnsta (talk) 05:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tim had 3 children: Susan (born 1947), Jack (born 1949) and Zachary (born 1973) and adopted by Tim and his last wife Barbara. italinux (talk) 20:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Various

Leary proclaimed the idea of a licence for drugs like for driving. Somewhere on this record: http://www.amazon.com/Turn-Tune-Drop-Timothy-Leary/dp/B0028R1M00/ref=sr_1_cc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1285358211&sr=1-2-catcorr

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