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Thanks for your contribution

Thanks for your contribution to the Punjab Police (Pakistan). The article needs a lot of work but you seem to be getting it there. I hope togive you a hand in the next few days. --Allie Cabab (talk) 23:54, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the complements

Thanks for the complements, I like your new heading "Famous Officers", it is more suitable than mine headins, but i think that one line has been repeated for 2 time "There have been many brave police officers in the history of the Punjab Police. The most famous of them were Qazi Safdar Hussain Senior Superintendent of Police, Raja Imtiaz Ahmed Superintendent of Police, and Muhammad Aslam Jora inspector Police." It is better that you delete it yourself, but keep the picture in right side, I think it will be better.

Thanks

Averroist (talk) 00:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Pakistanis in France

Hi Averroist, as you are a member of the Pakistan Wikiproject and live in Paris, I was wondering if you have any information that you could add to Pakistanis in France. In particular divisions of History, Demographics or Economics. Thanks Sansonic (talk) 20:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of Syed Mahmood

Hello Averroist, I like the picture of Sir Syed, Mohsin-ul-Mulk, and Syed Mahmood that you have contributed. Would you be interested in adding it to the article on Syed Mahmood, just as you have done for the other two? Thanks! Aguenther (talk) 19:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sir, I have added the picture of Justice Syed Mahmood with pleasure. Thanks for your likeness of pictures of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan and Nawab Mohsin ul Mulk, only a man of letters or real scholar can like these pictures. Averroist (talk) 22:16, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Awan (Pakistan)

Hi Averroist! Please could you provide me with the date of publication of Wadi Soon Sakesar: The Soon Valley, the details of the publishers of the book, and specific page number references relating to Qazi Mazhar Qayyum and Khan Sahib Zafar Hussain; Wikipedia editors are very particular about these details being provided in full.

Thanks

Rawalpindi Express (talk) 05:52, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your asking and regular contribution for this article. The information about the book is as follows: Al- Faisal Nashran, Lahore

A joint venture of Lok Virsa, Islamabad and AL-Faisal Nashran, Lahore copy right Lok Virsa, Islamabad 2002. I have already added this information in the article. I am now in France, and the book is available in Pakistan. With reference to specific page number of pages, I'll provide you in few months after visiting Pakistan.

Thanks. Averroist (talk) 13:38, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Averroist! I look forward to hearing from you as regards the pertinent page numbers, vis-a-vis Wadi Soon Sakesar: The Soon Valley.

Best wishes

Rawalpindi Express (talk) 00:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Nomination of Safdar Hussain for deletion

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Re: Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

Hi Averroist! I hope you're well. I just wanted to thank you for awarding me with the Anti-Vandalism Barnstar. I really appreciate it.

Best wishes

Rawalpindi Express (talk) 00:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Alamsherkhan

Hi Averroist! I hope all is well at your end. I just wanted to thank you for getting in touch with Black Kite, and trying your best to make him aware of the situation, vis-a-vis the 'Awan (Pakistan)' article. It's my understanding that the limits placed on editing the article, will be lifted by the 22nd of this month. I really don't think that Alamsherkhan is going to desist from vandalising the article, so all I can do is make an effort to protect the article to the best of my ability, but I would really appreciate it if you could also assist me in doing so (even if it something as simple as reverting the article to back to my edits, should Alamsherkhan continue to alter fully referenced content that he has no justification to remove). Furthermore, it may well be necessary for both of us to present a united front against Alamsherkhan, should another dispute arise with the senior editors.

I am hoping to get hold of another book soon, the author of which is satisfied by the Awan claim to Arab origins - I will add his opinions to the article, thus expanding the range of views contained within it.

Best regards

Rawalpindi Express (talk) 21:03, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have always been a firm believer in giving credit where credit is due. I have watched your work and extensive edits on Wikipedia with wonder and amazement. Keep up the good work! I will help you to save the prestige of our noble tribe and the standard of Wikipedia.

Regards. Averroist (talk) 07:50, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, brother. I appreciate your kind words, the contributions you have made to the article - thus improving it - and the level of support you’ve offered.

Best wishes

Rawalpindi Express (talk) 01:39, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

need your support Awan article

Dear Averroist . I think that Rawalpindi express is not going to respect others opinion and he will make sure to arrange the page in the form that there is no room left for other claims . As he already got warning for deletion so he have requested you to assist him “reverting the article back to his edits”. that is why most the editors wanted to join for consensus on the issue I don’t have objection on the number of references. But I am against his repetitions. For me Kalgan more resembles with Kalkan or kalakhan instead of Kalan Shah. Gowrarra , resembles with Arorra. gow-rrara do means cow herder in Pashtu while he insist to place him as Gohar Shah in th article. For him Khokhar Awan and Chohan Awan got the names of mother tribes but I am of opinion Mr.Khokhar and Mr. Chohan married Qutab shah Daughters and the got attached with Awan tribe as Qutab Shah’s adopted Sons. What is wrong if he married his daughters to local muslims? When we all accept that he married his Sons to local girls .then it is also possible that he married his daughters to local Muslims. First of all i don't support derive theory. Persian/ Pashtu and Arabic are too old languages and are not in lack of proper words from expressions. More over in case of Arabic, "Insar" and "Nasir" are very common to express helper instead to derive it from Aon. Any how If the Title of Awan is derived from ( Ahwan (Sanskrit), Haiwan (Persian, Urdu), and Own (English), then this must be supported by dictionary page numbers. In the past he tried to keep his hold on the article and I guess in the future he will try the same. I need your support to save the rights of all the editors no matter they are seasoned one or new comers. Regards Alamsherkhan (talk) 14:49, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alamsherkhan, there is little use in appealing to Averroist (amongst others), since he also not only realises the extent to which you have vandalised the article, he has also informed Black Kite about this (and as you know, it was Black Kite who took the step of protecting the article); to quote him:

“Thanks for protectecting the article from editing, but I want to bring into your notice one thing. The article according to the last edit made by Rawalpindi Express contains 41 references, but Alam Sher Khan deleted first five references in his last edit, and you have protected the article with only 36 references. It is the policy of Wikipedia that, ‘Good articles start with a brief lead section introducing the topic.’ Please compare this brief lead section of both versions. You must also see the history of contributions of both users. Rawalpindi Express is giving justification in edit summary of every edit, while Alamsherkhan is deleting, removing referenced material,referenced citations and referenced quotes from this article without any edit summary, and thus he is engaging in non-constructive vandalism. And you have protected the article on his last edit. Rawalpindi Express has long contributing history with positive edits against vandalism, but Alamsherkhan is a new user with a history of engaging in non-constructive vandalism. It is therefore requested that the the article should be restored to the last edit made by Rawalpindi Express, so that till the disputes have been resolved, the standard, principles and guidelines of Wikipedia must be maintained. Regards Averroist (talk) 17:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)”

It is also Averroist who awarded me with the Anti-Vandalism Barnstar, for my “endless work for protecting Wikipedia article on Awan.”

Moving on, if you are going to make allegations about me, then at least ensure that there is a kernel of truth to what you say. To say that I don’t respect the opinions of others, is complete and utter nonsense. If this was the case, then why didn’t I remove the citation recently added by Intothefire (whom you’ve also appealed to), which mentions the views of Professor Hasan Dhani? As I have emphasised before, despite me being an Awan, I have no cast-iron opinions regarding the origin of the Awan tribe, and that is why I have incorporated the viewpoints of authors who consider the traditional claim made by the bulk of the tribe to Arab origins to be reasonable, as well as the opinions of commentators who reject this contention. Moreover, Intothefire’s inclusion is valid, because his addition was fully referenced – this is a basic point that you still fail to grasp. In fact, apart from Averroist highlighting that you continue to ignore this crucial point, even Intothefire has pointed this out to you (and I quote him directly from a message he left on your user page), “Since this is an encyclopedia , its best that that all information provided is backed up by valid and reliable secondary sources .” Above all, when I myself contacted you, I categorically stated, “...if you are in possession of source material you’d like to add to the article, providing that it is relevant to the subject matter, and fully referenced, then please do contribute to the article, thereby making it more comprehensive.” (And I welcome said additions from anyone else.)

As Intothefire has underlined (and as did I when I got in touch with you), this is an encyclopedia, not a forum for your personal opinions. You assert that I have attempted to keep a "hold" on this article – this is patently untrue. You have only started making contributions to Wikipedia; had you been doing at an earlier point, you would have been aware of the fact that the article in question had not only become a complete mess (which you have taken it back to, due to grammatical errors on your part, and alterations you have made to the structure of the article that have disrupted its flow, as well as rendering it unreadable at times), it was also full of personal points of view, such as those you are attempting to add to the article. As such, a number of senior editors, tagged the entire article and decided that additions to the article that were unreferenced, would have to be removed. Due to this, I spent a number of months accumulating a wide range of source material – whatever was contained within the article that I was able to substantiate, I retained, and whatever I was unable to substantiate (with the aid of valid source material), was removed (as per the request of the senior editors). In fact, to this day, I continue to endeavour that all additions made to the article are fully referenced, I continue to make additions to the article in an effort to improve it (such as the addition of the photo gallery, and the views of contemporary scholars), and when necessary, I continue to refine and clean up the article – so this isn’t a question of me trying to keep a “hold” on the article as you claim, it’s a question of me putting months of hard work into ensuring this is an article of the highest quality possible, that also conforms to certain standards set by Wikipedia (and it is not only Averroist who acknowledges this. Recently, Intothefire also said of my contributions, “Thankyou for the great effort and attention you put into the article . Your contributions are commendable.”), only to have you arbitrarily remove valid and fully referenced additions that do not conform to your personal point of view, and add viewpoints that are unsubstantiated.

Contrary to what you claim, whatever my own personal opinions may be, I have not added them to the article (respecting the fact that doing so is unacceptable as this is an encyclopaedia, and not my own personal thesis) – just recently, Intothefire raised concerns about additions to the article that he considered to constitute personal viewpoints, and having reached a consensus with him (as he made perfectly reasonable points), these additions were removed (thus once again negating your claims about me not being prepared to accept the opinions of others). I should also stress that not all of the material included within the article was added by me either (once again underlining just how false your claims about me are), and all such material has been retained on the basis that it can be substantiated by reliable references. As for you claiming that you object to the “repetitions” I have made within the article, once again, not only are your expressing a personal point of view (which, given the nature of your edits, I don’t wholly accept, but look upon as being a judgement coloured by your biases), it’s a claim that is invalid because the quotes and citations you have removed (valid and fully referenced, and thus your actions are unjustified), lend weight to the additions made to the article as they substantiate and reinforce these pertinent additions. You state, “For me Kalgan more resembles with Kalkan or kalakhan instead of Kalan Shah. Gowrarra , resembles with Arorra. gow-rrara do means cow herder in Pashtu while he insist to place him as Gohar Shah in th article. For him Khokhar Awan and Chohan Awan got the names of mother tribes but I am of opinion Mr.Khokhar and Mr. Chohan married Qutab shah Daughters and the got attached with Awan tribe as Qutab Shah’s adopted Sons.” Firstly, is it arrogance that blinds you to just how ironic the claims you make about me are, in the light of such a statement? In case it needs to be pointed out to you yet again, these are your own personal opinions, and thus, unless you can back them up with referenced source material, it is not reasonable to expect them to be included within the article. Secondly, I am not insistent on naming the individuals in the fashion you so object to, due to my personal viewpoints, but because those are direct quotes and citations, and therefore those who authored the works that reference has been made to, refer to these individuals as such – therefore, if you are not already aware of this, please let me draw your attention to the fact that you cannot alter a direct quote or citation. As for what you have to say about Rose needing to cite page numbers from a dictionary in order to support his views, that’s just ridiculous; the work authored by Rose, is widely-respected and widely-acknowledged, and has been cited by other experts in this field (and as it is, you not have cited a single page number from any valid or recognised source – does this not smack of hypocrisy on your part?). And in case it escaped your attention, I actually did cite a dictionary reference relating to the etymology of ‘Awan’ (complete with a page number).

Lastly, at least have the decency not to spread blatant lies about me; you told Averroist that I “got warning for deletion” – that you can be so disingenuous, beggars belief; I never received any such warning, the reality is, Palltrast warned me about engaging in an edit war with you – it’s the same warning you also received from him, and in the interests of jogging your memory, let me reproduce said warning that was left on your user page, as well as mine:

“You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Awan (Pakistan) . Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively. In particular, the three-revert rule states that: 1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. 2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Palltrast (talk) 06:38, 8 August 2011 (UTC)”

Your hypocrisy and attempts to twist the truth, are breathtaking, Alamsherkhan.

Rawalpindi Express (talk) 16:18, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Recent upload of File:Pervaizsajjad.jpg

What year did you take this photo? He looks to be in his 20s, so you must have taken in the 1960s. Is that correct, otherwise who is the real photographer, when was it taken and under what licence has it been released? ww2censor (talk) 14:35, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The picture has been scanned from the national ID card of the Cricketer, who on my request himself gave me for scan. he also gave me permission to publish it. The old scanned picture has been retouched with Adobe Photo Shop by me. Please tell me if any modification is necessary in description or authorship, I'll change it accordingly. The licence is (PD-Pakistan), as the Cricketer is Pakistani. Regards Averroist (talk) 15:44, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Awan (Punjabi tribe)

Hi Averroist! I hope you’re well, brother. I'm getting in touch with you, because unfortunately, I need your help in containing one particular individual who is now persistently vandalising the article above (formerly titled ‘Awan [Pakistan]’), in the same fashion that led to some intense debate, not too long ago (i.e. the issue of the Awan tribe claiming to be of Arabian origin). He/she last altered the article (using the IP address, 182.177.190.75) by once again removing fully referenced material (without justification), as well as by making corrupt alterations to additions that have been cited though the use of reliable source material. I would appreciate any assistance you could provide in preventing this individual from continuing to ruin the article. I am actually thinking of semi-protecting the article. Rawalpindi Express (talk) 21:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your work and extensive edits on this article. I'll be with you Averroist (talk) 12:18, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - I appreciate it! Rawalpindi Express (talk) 23:05, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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			Thanks - I appreciate it! [[User:Rawalpindi Express\|Rawalpindi Express]] ([[User talk:Rawalpindi Express\|talk]]) 23:05, 17 February 2012 (UTC)