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A news item involving A Separation was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 20 February 2011.

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Plot

The last line of the plot makes no sense. "Razieh is found to not be guilty of the incident..." There is no previous mention of her being charged. It earlier refers only to Razieh's husband and Nader being charged. Tiddy (talk) 03:32, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Have you seen the film? I added the plot section, but I only based it on the one on German Wikipedia so I'm just as confused. Would be appreciated if someone who actually has seen the movie could go through the plot and adjust it. Right now there are lots of details and emphasis that I'm not entirely comfortable with. Smetanahue (talk) 03:57, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Smet ! You'll have to excuse my imput, this is my first login on Wikipedia (a Wikivirgin, if you will). I agree with Tiddy that the last paragraph of the plot doesn't read rationally. While I appreciate your submission, may I make the suggestion that you just temporarily remove that part until you or someone else can re-add it more comprehensibly ? Roxannek (talk) 03:03, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks both Smet & Roxannek. I haven't seen the film either but was interested in trying to understand the plot. Tiddy (talk) 05:22, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The German plot has now been updated and become more clear, and I've updated the English according to that. Still not completely clear about the different charges, and the ending is still confusing, but should be better. Smetanahue (talk) 05:24, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I updated the plot summary. I have not seen the movie, but if the summary is based on the German version, then it contained a major mistranslation. In the previous version, it was stated "Hodjat could either face a prison sentence" which means that Hodjat could go to prison. However, this does not make sense, as it was Nader who (supposedly) committed the crime. The German version also states that it was Nader who faces a prison sentence. The new version is now in line with the German version. --Ruebezahl (talk) 12:29, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, sorry about that miss. Hopefully the section will keep getting better as more people get to watch the move. Smetanahue (talk) 13:48, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IMDb Top 250

Although, Nader and Simin, A Separation is the first Iranian film to appear in the IMDb Top 250, it will be difficult to find a citation without the cooperation of the IMDb staff, since original research is prohibited. This film is also the first and only 2011 film in the IMDb Top 250. --Dan Dassow (talk) 19:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There has long been a broad consensus at Wikipedia:WikiProject Film to not include scores or rankings from IMDb in film articles. One reason is that there is not encyclopedic value in such info, and one even bigger is that the info is ephemeral and easy to manipulate. I will remove it from the article. Smetanahue (talk) 20:29, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is actually verifiable through Top 250 Informer. Lhw1 (talk) 01:14, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Awards

This important part of the article does not have enough citations. Maybe people who added those, can give the references? Thanks. Xashaiar (talk) 10:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Title change to A Separation

What do you think? That's the official title for the US and UK releases. Why should it stay as its festival title? Lhw1 (talk) 06:25, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

that makes sense, although the article should state also what the original title is --Accursius (talk) 14:16, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Box office does not match

There is currently a huge difference between what is shown in article and the source provided. am I missing something? Amiralis (talk) 22:39, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NYT resources

A Family Coming Apart at the Seams by Stephen Holden published Nytimes.com December 30, 2011. A version of this article appeared in print on January 1, 2012, on page MT12 of the New York edition (presumption).
A House Divided by Exasperation by A. O. Scott published December 29, 2011, and in print on December 30, 2011, on page C1 of the New York edition.

99.109.125.85 (talk) 00:57, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Awards and Nomination

Something has to be done about this section, either: (1) someone should create that collapsing option (hide?) or (2) create a new article just on this issue --Accursius (talk) 16:46, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism from establishment and others in Iran

Should be included in a new section in the article --Accursius (talk) 15:16, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Court System?

After seeing this movie I was wondering how the court system works in Iran. Is the court system as shown in the film "secular" or "religious"? (Or is there a difference between the divorce court system and the criminal court system as shown in the film?) The judge as depicted in the film does not look like a religious authority figure, but more like a civil servant type of judge, but maybe you can't tell just from his appearance. (It looks like a pretty challenging job to be a judge, but they really make decisions and work relatively fast!) If anybody knows, this might be a worthwhile clarification for viewers who don't know the background. --Mdukas (talk) 04:11, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Original poster

Does anyone could find out the original poster? This is the American version with the American title. This is an encyclopedia, we must be as exact as we can. Thanks. 189.122.22.53 (talk) 07:54, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Where's the Rejections

As --Accursius mentioned in a section above, there is rejections to the film. I had brought some of it there. Why anybody removed it? everybody else's reviews are bullshit, just because Oscar and Golden Globe awarded the film? Is this really what you think about analyzing films?

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 Does anyone could find out the original poster? This is the American version with the American title. This is an encyclopedia, we must be as exact as we can. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/189.122.22.53|189.122.22.53]] ([[User talk:189.122.22.53|talk]]) 07:54, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
+== Where's the Rejections ==
+As --Accursius mentioned in a section above, there is rejections to the film. I had brought some of it there. Why anybody removed it? everybody else's reviews are bullshit, just because Oscar and Golden Globe awarded the film? Is this really what you think about analyzing films?