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Old Turkic Script

Hello Dougweller,

well, I think Amanjolov is quiet qualified for this topic, just convince yourself: Amanjolov Biography

Cheers Tirgil34 -(talk) 10:46, 20 January 2012 (CET)

Tallk back

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Cyrus Cylinder

Why did you revert my edit? You deleted my references and the explanation of why the Cyrus Cylinder is often called the first human rights. If you think it is not helpful fine, but I think it is helpful! This is wikipedia and even the United Nations mention the Cyrus Cylinder as human rights charter. This is a free wikipedia and if an international recognized organition like un calls it human rights charter it has to be mentioned here to. Further the sentence "though the British Museum and scholars of ancient Near Eastern history reject this view as anachronistic[9] and a misunderstanding[10] of the Cylinder's generic nature.[11]" is false because not all schoolars have this opinion. This sentence has the effect that you might think that all schoolars think so, and this is wrong There are a lot of other schoolars that say that the Cyrus Cylinder is the first human rights charter. Both sides, the defenders and the critics have to be mentioned in same weight. You complained that I have deleted the mention of the British Museum, ok you're right, this has to be added again. I hope you accept my explanation. Look at the old versions of this article, it was called a long time first human rights charter also in wikipedia. Political controversies between Iran and US shouldn't be the reason to reverse and rewrite everything that belongs to Persia. Best Regards Shah Vazraka (talk) 13:24, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

The British Museum owns the Cylinder, so its view is obviously very relevant. As for the other scholars, read it carefully: it refers to "scholars of ancient Near Eastern history". Very few if any experts on the period support the "human rights charter" claim. If you look at the people who do support it, they are lawyers, politicians, social scientists etc - but not archaeologists or experts in ancient Near Eastern History. We can't and don't give equal weight to non-expert views. Prioryman (talk) 14:05, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I've moved this to the article talk page. Dougweller (talk) 14:14, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Your recent edit on the Cyrus Cylinder page was useful. Thank you for working with the talk history of the Cyrus Cylinder page (a history with which you are intimately familiar!). GoetheFromm (talk) 19:42, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

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Re:Maple Syrup

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Proposed merge

Since you previously expressed interest on the talk page regarding another topic, please see Talk:Chronicles (magazine)#Proposed_merge. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 09:39, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

First attempts at editing the NEARA article

Hi Doug,

Thanks for the note. I've been a wikipedia user for a long time and finally made the leap to editor, but I guess I still have some things to learn! Regarding my username (magicfiddle), it refers to a tune I wrote and I've been using that for years on youtube and just borrowed it for wikipedia. If you think I should change it, let me know (I do play fiddle).

Anyway, I was prompted to edit the NEARA article because I felt it inadequately described an organization that I am a member of. I hadn't thought about conflict of interest (being a novice editor) but I would like to see a more balanced description if possible. Historically, it is true that NEARA has been associated with pre-Columbian diffusionism (going back to Goodwin's book), but the current organization is much more focused on documenting and protecting stone sites than pushing any one theory of their origin. While individual members may form (and publish) their own opinions, many current members do not subscribe to diffusionist theories and are more interested in trying to distinguish between Native American and colonial artifacts, both of which may be worth preserving. We are also making an effort to connect up with the scientific community and invite many professional archaeologists, geologists, etc. to speak at our meetings.

Per your advice, I'll post a draft of what I feel to be a more accurate description and await your feedback. Magicfiddle (talk) 22:47, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for his reply. It would be nice to think things are changing, but with all due respect, looking at the lineup for the 2012 Spring meeting, I don't see it. I can see that Ted Ballard is defending a Native American origin for some stone structures others claim to be European pre-colonial, but you still have Sue Carlson and Jim Guthrie as major influences. I won't comment on anyone else. They are major hyperdiffusionists. I'll look at your draft.Dougweller (talk) 10:26, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Edits

I was engaged in discussion, and I try hard never to violate 3RR. Thanks. Hashem sfarim (talk) 07:22, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I misread your first edits, you were at 2RR, no problem. Dougweller (talk) 09:08, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Al-Manara Square

Can you check if I violated any copyvios on this one: Al-Manara Square? Thanks! Majority of the info I got from one site, but I tried to refrase a lot of things myself. Considering it took me 2 days to write an article, which is more than enough for me!--Mishae (talk) 03:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Never made legal threats

Is this what you requested? I confirm that I never intended to make any legal threat, although what stated by Jeffro77 is of extreme gravity and I meant to highlight that. Do not hesitate to contact me if you think this does not clarify the matter as per your expectations. Ceci n'est pas une pipe (talk) 14:20, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, thank you, you have been kind, I appreciate it. --Ceci n'est pas une pipe (talk) 14:39, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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TransporterMan (TALK) | DR goes to Wikimania! 16:58, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Consensus determinations

Doug, see Wikipedia_talk:Consensus#Consensus_determinations. Just because I help enforce 'em doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with 'em. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) | DR goes to Wikimania! 20:44, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

RE: American Third Position Party

Not disputing. just that a controversial issue should be discussed for consensus to decide before restoring. Though that IP should be blocked and the page locked as well since its so unstable.Lihaas (talk) 10:52, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Hopefully the IP will be blocked for edit-warring. Have you seen [1]? Dougweller (talk) 11:10, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I checked out the site and understand your concerns but dont agree at all. We can stop on the premise that "they wont agree" if need be take it to arbitration (which only be accepted after attemps). Nevertheless attempts at consensus discussion dont stop because of an expecgtation of a dead end. The warring IPs et al will pobs be blocked anyways and discounted from discussion. Sicne consensus doesnt ovote count there is a fair chance of getting "through" with sensible discussion ;)Lihaas (talk) 11:25, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure why it should be held in a fashion that reflects their pov however. Good faith editing would have involved a bold change to remove white supremacism, a revert and then discussion. The sources all support white supremacism. I think the first sentence should finish or be followed by something that says It refers to itself as white nationalist and I'm happy to add that now. Dougweller (talk) 12:12, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

tRUE, but an accomodation woudlnt hurt in the meantime to put the cavet of who said what. ADL/SPLC are from neutral on scuch calls.Lihaas (talk) 12:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

It isn't just the ADL and SPLC however, so how do we do this? In any case, it's hard to edit an article while it's being reverted by IPs. Do you want to draft what you see as a suitable wording? A one-time edit is easiest to maintain. Dougweller (talk) 12:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Request a page lock

Then id suggest somethign to the effect of (and outside the first sentence of the lead): "It hs been accused of by the ADL/SPLC/XXX of being a white nationalist organization"Lihaas (talk) 12:39, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Accused is probably a word to avoid. "It has been called" would be better. As an aside, if the sources multiply/become better at some point the wording would probably change. Dougweller (talk) 12:48, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

And Don Black (white nationalist) needs to be made pov also. Dougweller (talk) 13:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Maybe the latter needs to with sources but the former "IT has been..." is vague and needs the caveat even if you avoid "accuseD".Lihaas (talk) 21:05, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by caveat, but how about 'Sources such as the zzzzz have called it white supremacist' or something like that. Dougweller (talk) 21:40, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

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User:Jack Douglas123

You beat me to reverting their edits. Looking through their contribs, it looked like they were just making tiny little edits on different articles, even if the change resulted in incorrect dates, so that their contribs looked more full so that they wouldn't be tagged as an SPA on the RfC they commented on. - SudoGhost 16:00, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Or to get their 10 edits in to edit a semi-protected article. Dougweller (talk) 16:02, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

The SPA thing occurred to me because of comments on that talk page about possible incoming meatpuppetry to influence an RfC, but autoconfirmed didn't occur to me. The article they commented on is currently semi-protected, perhaps that was it. It makes more sense than what I said, at any rate. :) - SudoGhost 16:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Well spotted in any case - and you may be right. Dougweller (talk) 16:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Removal of content on Liberty Fund entry under conference program section

Hello, Dougweller,

My name is Andrew Duncan with Liberty Fund in Indianapolis, Indiana.

I was recently advised from our President of the company that there is content on the Liberty Fund Wikipedia page that is incorrect. Someone outside of the Foundation has added material about a book to our conference section. Liberty Fund does not publish the book or is affiliated with the book in any way whatsoever.

Every time I remove the material it re-appears by someone. Can you please advise as to how we can successfully update this material?

Thanks - Andrew (android1961)