Talk:Corrective rape

Poor Example

I think the current example of the high profile gang-rape and murder of Eudy Simelane, is bizarre (and wrong, for obvious reasons). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.110.95.245 (talk) 08:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

No, it's not obviously wrong to me. The cited sources discuss the case in the context of "corrective rape", so I'm not clear why it is bizarre and you would say WP is wrong to reflect what the sources say. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:13, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

While I can't speak for the OP, personally I do find the example a bit odd as she was murdered. It seems more of an example of a horrible hatecrime sort of punishment then any attempt to 'correct' her sexual orientation. (In other words, corrective rape seems more of a twisted world view sort of hate crime where even if there is some attempt at 'punishment' the offender also has some genuine believe they're going 'correct' the victim. Note that I'm not intended to underplay the horror of either just to say that I find then somewhat different.) However this is moot as we do have to reflect the sources Nil Einne (talk) 19:04, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure that it's wise to ascribe the ability to use basic logic to people who rape and murder other people. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:02, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

You'd be surprised the level of logic some of the most 'disturbed' minds can come up with. Typically it makes sense if the premises they rationalize their actions with are taken as true. Alutard (talk) 01:56, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

No, I wouldn't be surprised. That's why I suggested that it's probably not a good idea to assess their mental processes using normal principles of logic and reasoning. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:45, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Nil Einne. Corrective rape is defined as being for the purpose of 'correcting' sexual orientation. Eudy was murdered, so one must assume that the criminals weren't hoping her to come out of it and live life as a hetero. Wikidsoup _[talk] 22:19, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Tell it to the sources. Wikipedia just reports what sources already have. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'm not very familiar with Wikipedia politics regarding such situations, but it definitely seems to me as if Ol'factory has some personal bias here. I think your problem is that you realize that without your one reference the article would be almost empty, which would downplay something which you probably view as a very important issue. Still, there is nothing "corrective" about murder - and questioning the sanity of the criminal doesn't help you here. And while WP does reflect the sources you as a serious editor should filter sources which make sense in any given context. I think we should delete that reference, but I'm not going to start an edit war Chymæra (talk) 07:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Article expansion

A classmate and I wish to expand this article because we feel like it is lacking in depth and information. We are in a course in college that has to do with poverty, development, and gender; part of the class is contributing to Wikipedia to increase awareness and knowledge. I attached the banner above (under the WikiProject banners) if you'd like to learn more about the class. We want to reformat the page by adding several sections, including definitions (about rape, corrective rape, and sexuality); prevalence in South Africa and lack of evidence in other countries; social issues surrounding corrective rape, specifically within military and family, while going into reasons why it occurs; and case studies, including Eudy Simelane and Zukiswa Gaca. If anyone has any suggestions, ideas, or would like to give feedback, we would be open to hearing them. We have not yet started the writing process, but these sections will be in our sandboxes for viewing within the next week. Thank you! Rachelpop- (talk) 22:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC) and TasneemIslam1025 (talk)

Article Expansion II

Template:WAP assignment I too plan on expanding this article, but with a slightly different goal. I am minoring in Poverty, Justice and Human Capabilities (banner linked above) and majoring in the Study of Women, Gender and Sexuality at Rice University. I truly do not want to steal your (Tasneem and Rachel)thunder, so hopefully all three of us can contribute and make a better page. Personally, I would like to edit the page because corrective rape is a world-wide phenomenon that affects many lesbian, transgender, bisexual, and gender-queer women. The current article is a stub and only addresses a very small portion of the issue, focusing almost entirely on its manifestation in South Africa and its effect on lesbians. This issue is prevalent in many parts of the world, including highly industrialized or developed nations. Indeed, the very existence of this phenomenon indirectly affects all women, especially those that do not conform (either by choice or not) to the normative gender role for women in their community, through the atmosphere of fear and intimidation that it creates. All of this begs further clarification and discussion.

Here is my proposed outline:

I. Definition

The current definition on the Wikipedia page reads: “Corrective rape is a criminal practice first seen in South Africa, whereby lesbian women are raped by men, sometimes under supervision by members of their families or local communities, purportedly as a means of ‘curing’ them of their homosexuality.” After my initial research, a more accurate definition of corrective rape would be: a criminal practice and hate crime first identified in South Africa, whereby women who do not conform to normative gender roles are raped by men, sometimes under supervision by members of their families or local communities, purportedly as a means of “curing” them of their homosexuality.

II. Background

III. Statistics

IV. Medical Ramifications

V. Psychological and Social Ramifications

VI. Case Studies/Testimonies

South Africa

Eudy Simelane

I will clarify the currently contentious inclusion of the rape and murder of the South-African soccer player and out lesbian, Eudy Simelane. On the discussion page this is the only issue that has been brought up as a “bad example” because it is unclear as to whether the intentions of her attackers were to convert her into a heterosexual or to murder her (her naked body was found in a ditch where she died after being stabbed nine times). In the revised page I plan to include her murder but it will not be as prominent because I will be adding other examples and, in general, adding much more content. In the section that I include on Simelane, I plan to state the contention that exists and give other examples of South African women who were stabbed or badly beaten while being subjected to corrective rape like Noxoio Nkosana who was also stabbed several times before being raped. Obviously this debate hasn’t led to the article being taken down because the discussants seem to realize that many sources specifically refer to the incidents as examples of corrective rape regardless of whether the victims survive the attack or not.

Noxoio Nkosana

Canada

VII. Activism/Preventative Efforts

Luleki Sizwe

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!

168.7.241.78 (talk) 02:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)