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This article focuses entirely on the issue as it is applied in immigration cases, but says nothing about its application with regard to teachers. I know that in many, if not all, US states, teachers can be dismissed on the grounds of "moral turpitude". I was hoping to find some serious discussion of that in the article, but alas, there is nothing. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC) |
This article focuses entirely on the issue as it is applied in immigration cases, but says nothing about its application with regard to teachers. I know that in many, if not all, US states, teachers can be dismissed on the grounds of "moral turpitude". I was hoping to find some serious discussion of that in the article, but alas, there is nothing. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC) |
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As pointed out on this talk page, in the Sebastian Horsley section, the second paragraph of the US Immigration Law section claims "A controlled substance violation is a CIMT", while the table below shows no such guidance. I don't know enough about this subject to make the edit presumptively, but I'm inclined to remove the quoted sentence unless anyone has information confirming such violations are a CIMT (in terms of US Immigration Law, or otherwise). |
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[[User:Grothmag|Grothmag]] ([[User talk:Grothmag|talk]]) 17:50, 13 March 2012 (UTC) |
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I have created this page, having had great difficulty finding this information initially myself, so it is the result of my research, rather than be being a great expert on the subject. It quotes extensively from the State Department Document , but that being a Federal Government document, it is by definition in the public domain, so I do not see any problems there. Medconn 17:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
- BTW only after creating the page (containing information I desperately needed and had been unable to find elsewhere without hours of searching), did I discover just how many links there were already to the topic, which until I created the article merely linked only to a rather unhelpful dictionary definition. So, it looks as if I have jumped into the middle of an existing controversy, but I am being bold, as I believe that my new article is genuinely encyclopædic going way beyond a simple definition, and fills a real information need. I have however left the link to the Wiktionary definition for those that prefer it. Let me know if you disagree Medconn 17:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
- In the second paragraph it says "The concept of moral turpitude escapes precise definition" but the rest of the article then attempts to do just that. Why does it escape precise definition? For the same reason that it is hard to find the sort of stuff that bloats the article: this is one of those expressions in law that are ambulatory - its connotation remains the same but its denotation changes over time.
- The term is not obsolete in other common law jurisdictions. (1) It is an essential element in a number of common law offences eg negligent manslaughter and actual fraud and (2) it is often referred to as a standard when when determining whether a person is of good character especially in connection with (a) the registration of person to practise in certain professions (where there is an element of a requirement of public confidence:law, medicine, finance), (b) for migration law and (c) voter registration.
- See, for example:
- I propose to edit in these terms.
Otherthinker (talk) 04:07, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I came across this page searching for the right word to add to an essay. I wasn't even close in spelling or pronunciation, perpitude is what I searched for. This wikipedia page defined the word I wanted to use in the I Have a Dream essay. My suggestion is to change the analogy of homosexual in the definition. Whether you're for or against homosexuality, the analogy distracts the understanding of the word 'turpitude'. I spent three or four minutes trying to figure out the slant on the subject. Seems an analogy with a clearer historical and universal consensus of the direction of moral correctness should be used. Slavery, Salem Witch Trials, The American Indian Trail of Tears, etc. BenDoGood (talk) 19:24, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Voter Registration Laws
The term "moral turpitude" is used in the voter registration laws of Georgia and Alabama (and perhaps other states?). There is scant definition of what falls into this category, so both states have been denying voter registration to all felons.
- Georgia apparently still denies all felons: http://www.acluga.org/voting.rights.html
- Alabama received a court order to change its practices: http://www.naacpldf.org/content.aspx?article=975
Samatva 13:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Sebastian Horsley
The Controversy section mentions Sebastian Horsley's refused entry to the USA and implies that the moral turpitude justification rested on his "controlled-substance violations", yet such violations do not appear in the table of definitions of moral turpitude. Is the table lacking, or are the reasons for Mr Horsley being refused entry nothing to do with his drug use? Astronaut (talk) 12:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
I looked at the INS statute governing this and believe the spokesperson mispoke. He may have committed a crime of moral turpitude and a seperate crime ivolving controlled substance violations. These are seperate issues that allow for expedited removal from the U.S. I suggest the section on Horsley be eliminated because it is misleading. Jumpinbean (talk) 20:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Teachers
This article focuses entirely on the issue as it is applied in immigration cases, but says nothing about its application with regard to teachers. I know that in many, if not all, US states, teachers can be dismissed on the grounds of "moral turpitude". I was hoping to find some serious discussion of that in the article, but alas, there is nothing. Cgingold (talk) 14:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Controlled substances
As pointed out on this talk page, in the Sebastian Horsley section, the second paragraph of the US Immigration Law section claims "A controlled substance violation is a CIMT", while the table below shows no such guidance. I don't know enough about this subject to make the edit presumptively, but I'm inclined to remove the quoted sentence unless anyone has information confirming such violations are a CIMT (in terms of US Immigration Law, or otherwise). Grothmag (talk) 17:50, 13 March 2012 (UTC)