Talk:Ernest Hemingway

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I agree that the above paragraph "all right in the end" is somewhat POV and definitely could be written better. Too far out of my field for me to have a bash, how about the detractors improve it a little? Mat-C 16:48, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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I agree that this article should be completely rewritten. It’s full of awkward phrasing, empty phrases and downright cheesiness. The writer often lapses into a colloquial, dumbed-down magazine style of writing which is inappropriate for an online encyclopedia. For example, “Hemingway Up Close And Personal” as a chapter or subtitle is an awful cliché that just doesn’t belong.

Another example of this magazine style: “Sadly, Hemingway couldn't use this attitude in life. Maybe the pressure simply was too high. The general public never knew the real Ernest Hemingway, a man with a man's problems.” This sounds more like a high school English teacher trying to convince his teenaged students that Hemingway was a total dude than it does an excerpt from a featured article in an encyclopedia.

“A Farewell to Arms” is described as “a kind of ambulance driver's wet dream.” Later in the paragraph: “And yet... even wet dreams come on different artistic levels.” This is just plain crass.

“It [the ambivalence of death and violence] had done some good, and taught him priceless philosophies.” The article is littered with empty phrases like this. They need to be weeded out.

After reading The Old Man And The Sea, I came to wikipedia for some info about the author, and what I found horified me, this is a terrible page, amaturely written, with little information, and overly cliched. Needs serious editing.

the code?

Shouldn't there be something resembling a bit of criticism perhaps? I mean, shouldn't there at least be a mention of his code of manliness? When I teach Papa, I make a point of his being a sort of existentialist -- not much evidence of that in this article.--Peccavimus 06:51, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I don't agree with this person...I believe that this article is very helpful for the student environment. This article helps the student body for working purposes...If we show the article with manliness and other idea made by this person...then there woulnt be any point in looking at this article now would it?? I belive that we should keep this aticle for further students who want to get a grade A on their projects.

question

Can someone pls recommend a (yes, also partly critical) book-length biography of Hemingway, please. BTW, why does the article currently cite Döblin and Kundera in its bibliography section?

shotgun?

Can anyone provide a source for Hemingway's use of a Civil War pistol for his suicide? I'm sure I've read somewhere it was his favourite shotgun. Padraic 00:24, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

Hemingway's Catholicism

"Hemingway divorced Hadley Richardson and married Pauline Pfeiffer in 1927. Because of his Roman Catholic faith, some conflicts of conscience arose, but these were eventually overcome." -- This quotation is somewhat misleading. Hemingway was raised Congregationalist; his family were descended from New England Puritan stock. Hemingway did not convert to Roman Catholicism until he married Pauline Pfeiffer, who was RC. Hemingway's subsequent divorces would indicate that his devotion to the faith was irregular at best.

- A small clarificaion on your comment: Hemingway was raised Episcopalian, not Congregationalist. His father's family was Congregationalist, but her grew up in his maternal grandfather's, where the active religion was Episcopalian since Hemingway's grandfather, Ernest Hall, had immigrated to the US from England. (His paternal grandparents were also English immigrants but were not members of the Church of England.) Due to the infludence of Ernest Hall and Grace Hall Hemingway, Ernest was raised in a fairly religious Episcopalian family that sung hymns every morning, attended church regularly, etc. Young Hemingway sang in the church choir, as did all of his siblings, as it was led by his mother!

Fabricationary

Category: Ernest Hemingway?

Should Ernest Hemingway recieve his own category? --Blue387 09:45, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Now that he did, should we move all other categories to that category? Common Man 09:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

49 stories

I added a section about the Forty-Nine Stories which, strangely, was not present. Yet english is not my native language and maybe you want to include minor grammatical corrections or links. Please note that I took an entirely different standpoint than those that the contributors who wrote the other parts of the article did, and that was a bit too focused, at times, on irrelevancies. My assumption is that when you write about a writer, you ought to love him/her, not to be _too_ diffident of him/her, or focused only on the critics, leaving the good things as residual trailers. That's not a good formula to let a writer be known by those who may not know him/her yet. --UnitedScripters

49 Stories

I'm sorry, I felt I should delete much of the section on the short stories. The language was simply too confused (and confusing).

49 stories

To me it is fine, only you have deleted so much that it is no longer recognizable: what you have done is not to make my commentary less "confused and confusing": what you have done is bringing down the level of the section dedicated to the 49 stories to the level of this whole page about Hemingway, which not even one single commentator here missed to qualify as unidsputably low and unworthy of wilkipedia.

We do not know whom you are but if you are the person who took care of this page, you have made by GENERAL CONSENSUS such inferior a job here, that you are the least qualified to edit contributions, especially because you seem to find gossip more relvant than serious observations. Your idea of "confusing and confused" means this: confusing, namely whatever doesn't vilify Hemingway with absurd prattle, and confused namely whoever doesn't fit your limited intellectual scope which, clearly enough, gets lost as soon as a speech goes beyond the scope of the grunt.

I didn't dare delete your own essays about Hemingway, I just ADDED my own section. I see you dared much more, though dwelling in much lower intellectual places...

Rest assured anway, while you are about to delete this comment by me too as it becomes you, that it is not one section of yours that needs to be ameneded here, but it is this WHOLE page about Hemingway that should be trashed and recycled as confusing and confused.

The moon suggests, before commenting on Hemingway be sure you have read him and understood him, for the only thing that emerges from your "essay" about Hemingway is, I insit by GENERAL consensus as these commentaries prove, that you know about Hemingway as much as I know about nuclear physics: NOTHING. UnitedScripters

Major edit: June 11 2005

I have been bold and made a major edit today, one that I've been working on for some time. It was largely organizational and for cleaning purposes, something this article needed badly.

I'm not entirely finished with everything I want to do with the edit, but I think its status now in format and rendering is thoroughly improved. --DanielNuyu 06:30, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well done! Mandel 17:49, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

The Dangerous Summer

I'm no expert on Hemingway but a cursive look at internet sources showed that The Dangerous Summer was written for the Life Magazine in 1960 but it was published in book form in 1985.

iceberg method

Hi, I didn't find anything about Hemingway's famous "iceberg method" of writing. You can read about it for example here [1] , we learned it at school and I find it very be¨neficial for understanding what makes his work so special.

"Many believe it was Hemingway's unique writing style that made him famous. Hemingway himself described it as the "iceberg method" (Wilson). About 1/8 of an iceberg is actually visible above water while 7/8 is below water. On the surface, his writing seems simple, but 7/8 of the story is under the simple surface."

from page http://www.ncteamericancollection.org/litmap/hemingway_ernest_id.htm

If you think this is worth of contribution, let me know at my discussion page. Or contribute it yourself, it might be better if native speaker (who has actually read his books) contributes it:) Thanks! --Paxik 13:58, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Headline funkiness

Something odd was going on, and the Table of Contents was followed by the Headline "Headline" twice in a row. I deleted one and renamed the other to "Background," but feel free to change it.

Hmmm Forgot to logon. This is me.

Odd Grammar and Syntax

It would seem from the odd syntax, word usage and grammar that some Native Spanish speaker is inserting/deleting sections on Hemingway's relationships with the extreme left...

spanish civil war

Does any one know anything about Ernest Hemingway’s involvement in the spanish civil war?129.96.120.254 02:20, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

See new additions El Jigüe 12-23-05

tell me how i do this

Cuba did not confiscate US Property

The US unlike Canada for example refused to accept payments offerd by Cuba !!!

Abercrombie & Fitch

I've heard the story a few places (including edited out sections here) that the gun Hemingway shot himself with was purchased at Abercrombie & Fitch. Can anyone confirm or clearly refute this? And before you just say that's utterly ridiculous, check out Fitch's history, up until the late '80s they were a sporting goods store. It was a perfectly good place to buy a gun. Zaklog 05:10, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

It's true, but I don't have a source ATM

Faulkner Rivalry

Something simply must be said about Hemmingway's rivalry with William Falkner. My literature class emphisized this rilvalry, though did not go into many specifics on it.

Hemingway article could once again become featured

Hemingway was known for an economy of words. He would write something and then go back through it and distill it down to its essence. There are a lot of great thoughts and concepts in this article; however, someone needs to pay tribute to Hemingway by doing same. Hokeman 17:52, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Alcoholism

I would like to see a section on this or for it to be integrated into the article. Alcohol played a significant part in Hemingway's life. Fitzgerald was also a lifelong alcoholic and it arguably affected his work and life. It definatly played a role in Hem's twilight years and suicide. Rizla 03:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

advertising?

When talking about Michael Palin's book

"The book is available at his website"

sounds like hidden advertising to me

feel free to disagree

Another Rewrite?

Thre is some very good stuff in this article, but is very obviously the product of several authors. There is repetition some odd chronology. This is easy for me to say however as I am not the chap qualified to do it.... Epeeist smudge 11:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

ive tried to fix the chronology & style of the first half of the article as best as I can. When I get around to it i'll edit the last part.. hopefully some others will want to help out. Once that is done I think it will be ready for feature status Rizla 23:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

where is the nobel prize succession box?

Hi, I would like to add an external link to the World of Biography entry

• Ernest Hemingway Biography probably the most famous portal of biography to this article. Does anybody have any objections?