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March 26

If I agree with a fact, and think everyone else does...

If I agree with a fact, and think everyone else does, is it still OK for me to remove it if it's not sourced? For example, if I see an article that says

Many opponents to Nazism say it is detrimental to society because they are controlled by aliens,^[1][2][3] but Nazi propaganda posters claimed that research by This,^[4] That,^[5] and Also-This^[6] has suggested otherwise. Some people however, say that even if Nazis are not controlled by aliens, it is may be still possible for them to be detrimental to society.

I know that I can remove the last sentence if I disagree with it, because there is not reference to support the claim that "some people however, say that even if...", and it's obviously a product of original research. So I know I can remove the last sentence if I did disagree with it, or did know someone else who disagreed with it. But the question I'm here to ask is that IF I agreed with the last sentence, and I don't know anyone who disagreed with it, can I still remove it because I don't want it on the article, say for some other reason? I never knew whether or not it's OK, so I really want to find out. DontClickMeName _talk^{contributions} 07:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Every statement in an article has to be verified (there would still be people saying they were benefical to society, whether there were aliens involved or not) but the phrase "Some people say..." is a weasel phrase, which are not to be used in articles. Hope this helps! AndieM13 (Leave a message!) 09:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Not quite... every statement must be verifiable... not necessarily verified. This is a subtle but important distinction. A reliable source must exist... but we are not required to cite that source in the article unless it is "challenged or likely to be challenged". I would definitely say that the example given is "likely to be challenged", so a citation would be required in that case... but not in others.

As to the broader issue... Are you allowed to remove verifiable but problematic information from an article? Yes. There are lots of reasons to remove information other than verifiability... the material in question could give undue weight to a fringe theory for example. Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion.

Should you remove verifiable information from an article? Sometimes yes, sometimes no... that really depends on the specifics of the situation, and can only be determined on a case by case basis. That said, in most cases there are better ways to deal with problematic material than removal (See: WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM for more details). Blueboar (talk) 13:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

So I guess I can remove it, and add and edit summary "Removed last sentence. If it was sourced it'd belong on this article, but because it's not verifiable, I'm removing it even though we all agree with its claim" The article can thus be shortened, giving the same information using less lines.

Many opponents to Nazism say it is detrimental to society because they are controlled by aliens,^[1][2][3] but Nazi propaganda posters claimed that research by This,^[4] That,^[5] and Also-This^[6] has suggested otherwise.

DontClickMeName _talk^{contributions} 01:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Noted, Blueboar. Will keep that in mind. AndieM13 (Leave a message!) 06:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Are there any guidelines as to how long one waits for a ^{[citation needed]} tag to become verified? How can you tell how long that tag has been there? ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 21:03, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Sandbox

How can I publish a write up in wikipedia? I have already made a write up but it stays in the sandbox how can it get published? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evangonzalez1 (talk • contribs) 09:21, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

You would "move" the page: see WP:SYMUD But if you move User:Evangonzalez1/sandbox now, it will almost certainly get deleted as it contains no references and does not explain why the word is notable. In fact I very much doubt that the word VYQX merits a Wikipedia article: see WP:NEOLOGISM. It is possible that the website is notable, but only if it has been written about by independent reliable sources.

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --ColinFine (talk) 09:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I recommend adding this code to the top of your page: {{subst:afc submission/submit}}. This will nominate your page for Articles for Creation, allowing our staff to review it for any problems prior to launch and provide advice, and give you a chance to make changes and try again. Dcoetzee 01:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

The subject is The city of Tala, Jalisco, Mexico

The article is showing the wrong coat of arms, the one shown belongs to another city. Gregorio Barajas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.38.214.236 (talk) 09:48, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Please sign your comment so I know who you are. Editors sign with four tildes (~). Thank you. AndieM13 (Leave a message!) 09:53, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Linked & refactored for display. Dru of Id (talk) 10:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Move problem

I initially moved Henry Knighton to Knighton's Chronicon. However I can NOT get their correct talk pages to follow their correct articles. Knighton's Chronicon talk page is now Henry Knighton talk page. Can someone correct this problem for me so that Talk: Knighton's Chronicon is on the Knighton's Chronicon and visa versa?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:05, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Your problem was that Talk:KC still existed, so you couldn't move Talk:HK over it; one solution would have been to add {{db-move}} to Talk:KC and explained your reasoning at Talk:HK. I've deleted Talk:KC and moved Talk:HK to that title without leaving a redirect, so there's currently no page of any sort named Talk:HK. Is this what you wanted? If not, please tell me at my talk page that I misunderstood; spell out precisely what you want to happen, so that I don't make more mistakes. Nyttend (talk) 11:56, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, that fixed it.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 13:11, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Inversion in a sphere

After two months, I have adapted an article, 'Inversion in a sphere', so that it is ready for inclusion in Wikipedia. Apparently, I have moved it, but it was immediately deleted by Michel Grenier. He says that he has sent me mail, but I can't fnd it!

How do I find what is the problem with my article? 12:47, 26 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bparslow (talk • contribs)

Should be in whatever email account you have down at the bottom of the first page in your preferences. Sort of odd that it got delete with a g6 reason. (page that needs to be deleted to merge histories, reverse a redirect, or perform other non-controversial technical tasks).Naraht (talk) 12:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Bparslow, you made a capitalisation error; all Wikipedia page titles are case-sensitive, so User:Bparslow/sandbox and User:Bparslow/Sandbox are not the same page. You linked "sandbox" when you meant to link "Sandbox". The problem with your article was the name itself: you moved the sandbox so that it became an article — any page whose name is preceded by "User:" is in userspace, but if you remove "User:" from the page name, our software thinks that it's an article, and "Bparslow/sandbox" isn't the right name for an article. Someone else moved Bparslow/sandbox to User:Bparslow/Sandbox, and it's at that last page where you can find what you wrote; it's never been deleted. The other pages got deleted because they were essentially redirects to each other, which isn't a good thing. One more thing to remember: you're not in trouble. When I say "problem", I mean "problem from a technical point of view"; I don't mean that you're being a problem. Nyttend (talk) 13:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

If you can't see the email, you could post a message at User talk:Michael Greiner explaining that your email is not working, and asking him to post on your talk page instead. Also, note that an article that is similar to the draft in User:Bparslow/Sandbox is likely to be deleted because it is written like a textbook, not like an encyclopedia entry, and Wikipedia is not a textbook. Gandalf61 (talk) 13:22, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) More details: You moved it from User:Bparslow/sandbox to Bparslow/sandbox which is in the mainspace encyclopedia. A move automatically creates a redirect at the old title, User:Bparslow/sandbox. Then you moved this redirect (and nothing else) to the title Inversion in a sphere. If you think you saw your article at Inversion in a sphere then you actually saw it at the redirect target Bparslow/sandbox. User:AJCham moved Bparslow/sandbox (which definitely did not belong at that title) to User:Bparslow/Sandbox. Michael Greiner cleaned up by deleting the redirects (and nothing else) at Bparslow/sandbox and Inversion in a sphere. Your actual article was never deleted and is still at User:Bparslow/Sandbox. However, the formatting and style is unsuited for a Wikipedia article. I don't know why User:Michael Greiner would contact you by email. Perhaps you started by sending him an email. Communication between users is usually done via their talk pages. See Help:Using talk pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:25, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

He did contact me first by email. My response (also via the E-mail this user function) was that all I did was delete the redirects, that his content was available at his sandbox and that he should contract users on their user talk pages. (all as noted by Primehunter) --Michael Greiner 16:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Bparslow, my apologies for the confusion - I moved your page back into userspace as it was at in improper title in article space and all indications were that it was still in the draft stage. I thought I had posted a message on your talk page explaining the situation, and also the issues raised by PrimeHunter, but it would seem I negelcted to save it. My fault for editing late at night I suppose. AJCham 19:23, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Until I tried to produce an article for Wikipedia, I regarded myself as reasonably intelligent, but the hoops that Wikipedia produce completely defeat me. I have no idea where Bparslow/Sandbox came from, or how I got 'user ' in front of 'Inversion in a Sphere' ('in' not 'of' notice). Why does Wikipedia make it so difficult for contributors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bparslow (talk • contribs) 22:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

A lot of things seem difficult the first time you have to do them. The move form Special:MovePage/User:Bparslow/Sandbox starts by writing the existing name, "User" and "Bparslow/Sandbox". This means it as a sandbox (see Sandbox (software development) for the general concept) for your user account. You would have to change both names in the move form, to "Article" and "Inversion in a sphere". But as mentioned, the current page is not suited. It is written as a paper and not a Wikipedia article. It even says "this paper" and not "this article". It is also badly misformatted. It would still look the same as an article until somebody fixed the formatting. Two quick tips: Leading spaces cause grey boxes and should usually be avoided, and see Help:Section for how to make section headings. And are you aware that Wikipedia editors only get credit in the page history? If you write a Wikipedia article then it will not show your name, and others can edit the article. If you still want to try then see Wikipedia:Your first article and some of the links there. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Re moved it but, What is this, and how do I do it?

"This sandbox is in the article namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the {{User sandbox}} template."

Wikipedia seems to speak in a foreign language. When I saved this page, a block appeared which was equally incomprehensible. can you give simple clear instructions, as to an idiot child.

The template message above has appeared because your article still has a {{User sandbox}} template at the top (left over from when it was actually a sandbox article). Wikipedia's software only expects to see this template in userspace, but since the article is in mainspace now, it shouldn't be tagged as a userpage draft. As to the odd block of indented text, this has appeared because you have indented your text with a space at the start of the line - it's an easy mistake to make. If you want to indent text on a talkpage (as I've done with this paragraph), use a colon at the start of the line, rather than a space. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:27, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I've wikified the article to the best of my ability, whilst preserving as much of the original text as i could. It is still in dire need of cleanup. There's a faint possibility it might be a subject worth writing about, but at present there's a very strong case for deleting under WP:NOTESSAY. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:55, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much Yunshui, It looks great, I will try to improve it, as directed. it must be easy if you know the way, I was lost. 10:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

IPhone app

Crazy that you can't email pages from the iPhone app — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.125.119.23 (talk) 13:21, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't have an iPhone app. Other people have made them and you'd have to take your issue up with them. Not Wikipedia. Dismas|^(talk) 13:27, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually it appears we do. See WP:IPHONE. The normal Wikipedia doesn't have a "Share by email" feature either. There is a current discussion about a share feature at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Share button. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Huh! Well you learn something new everyday around here.  :) Dismas|^(talk) 13:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Simply use your iPhone to access your email account, copy the URL of the page in question, paste it into the email, and send the email. Nyttend (talk) 14:53, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

André Simon Wikipedia page

On the André Simon Wikipedia page, there is a footnote to an article Working with André, by Hugh Johnson. The link doesn't work. I have the article. How can I get it linked.

I can copy and paste it to this page - would that help? 14:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faye Wilson (talk • contribs) 14:13, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

No, that would be a copyright violation. See WP:CITE for how to cite the original magazine or newspaper appearance of the article. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:06, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Translation assessment required

What is the proper place to request a translation from a Japanese source? I've tried posting at Wikipedia talk:Pages needing translation into English but it seems to be for whole articles rather than sources, and it doesn't look very active anyway. I've thought of posting at Wikipedia talk:Translation but that's for new articles too.

We're trying to assess the quality of a previous available translation of the source at Talk:All your base are belong to us#More accurate English translation. Any advice on how to find help for that? Diego (talk) 14:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Augmentation of existing page "Robert Hughes - Swimmer"

I was recently involved in the research for a book entitled "Bob Hughes - The True Story of a Legendary Waterman", and in doing so, discovered remarkable facts about this Olympic athlete that were not included in the Wikipedia page about him. I have made several attempts to augment the page, and my contributions have been removed, repeatedly, by the same User (Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ as she assumes my contribution have been a conflict of interest (which they have not).

The page had been grievously lacking in the achievements of this 2 time Olympian and World Record holder, and it has been my intention to complete the information previously listed on the page...in no way embellishing the facts beyond that of any other similar athlete featured in Wikipedia. It is not my intention to exaggerate or advertise. All facts contributed by myself have been verified with links to other Wikipedia pages and outside sources (including the USC and USA Waterpolo websites), and a reference to the book recently published.

As per Wikipedia protocol, I have made a polite attempt to contact this User User:DoriSmith to resolve the issue, but have not had the courtesy of a reply. In her hasty removal of, and thinly veiled sarcastic messages to me, it almost appears she has made it her sole objective to vandalize my contributions.

Please help! This is an 80 year old Olympic Athlete who has recently been chosen to be inducted into the USC HAll of Fame, and it would be heartbreaking to wait until he is dead before proper credit is given to his achievements.

Dina McCrum — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artfuldagger (talk • contribs) 16:17, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Please make sure that any material you wish to add is coming from reliable sources, a category which does not include other Wikipedia article, and shows a neutral point-of-view (something which may not be found in a book with a smarmy title like Bob Hughes - The True Story of a Legendary Waterman. We need good, solid verifiable sources for our articles. Also note that we are not here to glorify (or disparage) the subjects of our articles, and any messages which seem more concerned about making the subject look good than about making sure the asserted facts are reliably sourced and verifiable will hinder your efforts. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:00, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

However, somewhat disagreeing with my grumpy orange colleague here :) if your book is well researched and published by a reputable publisher, by all means use it (not the primary research) to cite the facts in neutral language. Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Alternatively, if you're not sure about whether your content fits with Wikipedia, you can post it on the article's talk page and then other people can see it and consider whether to incorporate it into the article. --Colapeninsula (talk) 22:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

The book is probably not be a valid reference per Wikipedia policies. The book seems to be self-published, not published by a mainstream company. I say this based on Artfuldagger publishing's website. To ensure the reliability of facts, we place restrictions on what sources can be used as references.

I'm not clear of your relation with Artfuldagger publishing, but if you have any commercial relationship with the firm, your user name probably violates Wikipedia:Username policy, and you should have it changed.

You may also like to read read Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners before you make any changes to articles. Material should be supported by inline citations (footnotes) to reliable sources (not self-published books), whereas your edits had no references. --Colapeninsula (talk) 22:14, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Notable residents (moved from reference desk)

Guidelines for "notable residents" states:The person must be notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia

What about people who are notable enough to warrant an article but are mentioned in lists?Fasttimes68 (talk) 13:26, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Remove them. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 14:07, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

A followup question. What about articles that were deleted and redirected to the list? Delete those notable resident entries as well?Fasttimes68 (talk) 14:22, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

So the link in the list redirects back to the list? I'd say delete the link at least since it's circular. Dismas|^(talk) 14:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

No, say the article Foobar was deleted and redirected to list of blobs. Another article XYZZY had Foobar listed in its notable residents. Since Foobar no longer exists, is it fair to remove Foobar from XYZZY? In my original question Foobar never existed. In the followup the article got deleted and redirected.Fasttimes68 (talk) 14:39, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I really need to remember that WP:RD/M does not go to the Mathematics desk; imagine my surprise at going to that link, immediately hitting the "End" key to go all the way to the bottom, and seeing this discussion :-) Nyttend (talk) 15:21, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

If the reason for the deletion or redirection of the article about the person was a lack of sources establishing notability, per WP:N or related guidelines, I think that it's obviously been determined that the person isn't "notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia". If the article was deleted for some other reason (copyvio, say), it's a judgment call. Deor (talk) 15:24, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Where is this guideline? Do you mean Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline#Notable_people? Warofdreams talk 15:56, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Does notability ever end? If a person was a notable baseball player in the 1920s, for instance, but nobody remembers him now, are they still notable? If a person was a notable personality (radio, TV, etc.), retired, and left no legacy, are they still notable? --Tim Sabin (talk) 16:04, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:Notability is not temporary. Note this whole discussion would be better at WP:Help desk Nil Einne (talk) 16:13, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Am I missing something, or isn't THIS the 'Help desk'? ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

moved from ref desk to her per request.Fasttimes68 (talk) 16:45, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

OIC (sorry, my bad) ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 16:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

(Nil Einne)So, you're saying that, if at any time, someone was notable, they will always be? Forever? --Tim Sabin (talk) 18:12, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I would say so. That's the point of history. If someone has an impact on the society of their time, that reality remains true forever. HiLo48 (talk) 18:34, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

More to the point of what WP:N says: source material doesn't ever disappear. If someone has indepth writing in reliable sources which is in existance today, that writing cannot unhappen. Once a journalist, author, or researcher, etc. publishes something, that event cannot simply get undone, and since a person's notability is judged at Wikipedia by examining what journalists, authors, or researchers, etc. have written about them, notability does not go away. --Jayron32 18:51, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Google translation of (Official) site

I put a Google translated link to an 'official website' on the External links section of this page; but am unsure: a) if this a proper thing to do, b) if it is formatted correctly:

• Official website (in German); Google translation of Official website (in English)
  

~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 16:26, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Machine translations are notoriously not reliable sources; and we have no reason to recommend any particular translation software or service here. Just link to the original German-language website, and let people figure it out for themselves. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:04, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 19:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

See User:Manishearth/sidebartranslinks for a user script that will add translate links to the interwiki links. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 19:21, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

help!

Hey, I'm new to wikipedia and I need help. I'm a student at USI and we have to write an article about a journalist. I just need help getting started because wikipedia is very confusing to me. I think if you can help me get started then I will be able to figure it out from there. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Achamilton 17 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

How about Wikipedia:Your first article? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if you have rules or guidelines on it, but you may find it easiest to copy/paste the entire text from an existing article on a journalist to your 'sandbox' and then just change the details to match yours. I don't know if they have their own 'info box' template. I found it easier to learn from example that way as opposed to reading the how-to and starting from scratch. You should still read the 'your first article' page, as well as the linked pages there. There are certain things like 'categories' that shouldn't be used in sandboxes, etc. so just delete all but the basics until you get sorted.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

That is extremely poor advice - you must not copy-and-paste content from another Wikipedia article like that, unless it is attributed - and if you are doing this as an assignment, USI may consider it plagiarism. But why would this help, anyway? Look at the way Wikipedia biographies in general are written, then write in your own words, based on the sources you have, with the aim of producing something that is informative, to the point, and written in encyclopaedic language. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:11, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Better idea is to have multiple browser 'tabs' open to various sources etc. (Read a lot of stuff, put it in your own words, condense, go back to your sources to make sure you did it right.) ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 19:08, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I think I was misunderstood. I meant delete all the info, but just keep the infobox and format. The page would be blank as to information, but in a form the same as other BLP. Then it would be just a matter of filling in the blanks. Are there 'blank' templates for BLPs and other types of articles etc? If there aren't these may be easier for newer editors to learn from. They could have inline wikilinks to pages such as citing, POV, etc, as well as verbose how-to notes. This may also help to standardize articles in wikipedia as well.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:22, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

not sure I understand deletion process

The problem is with Pre-melter. Several attempts have been made- & denied- for this page to be created, then lo!, it appears. Another user put a delete notice on it, but this appeared not to have been transcluded & the article was not listed on the pages to b deleted log. replaced it, following the instructions, ie placing {{subst:.... on the page. Still no result. The page in question is basically an incomprehensible bit of promotion for some bit of pizza-making machinery, full of spam links & written by a native speaker of jargo. I did fairly savage copy edit on it, removing inline links to youtube promotions & putting in a bit of plain english: the page creator has revisited the page & restored it to it's previous state, and I do mean state. Creator has no editing history apart from this bit of probable spam. What's the form?TheLongTone (talk) 18:35, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

The page is correctly marked for Proposed deletion, and is listed at Category:Proposed deletion as of 23 March 2012. An admin will consider the deletion on 30 March if nothing else happens before then. Two things could happen before then: if anyone removes the "proposed deletion" notice then you will have to take the article to Articles for deletion, or someone might tag the article for speedy deletion. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:08, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I must get either my eyes or my brain tested, couldn't see it on the list, sorry.TheLongTone (talk) 20:12, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Is it OK to tell someone to f*** off on Wikipedia?

I just want to get this cleared up because I recently had a conflict where this term was used? Advice? Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 20:33, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL. In most cases, I would say no. Calabe1992 20:34, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

No, it's not a polite thing to say. But equally, it's not going to get the person who said it blocked if that's all they said. It's kind of a grey area in that respect - it's not like swearing at a teacher, more like swearing at another student in an undergrad lecture. It's not cool, but there isn't the mechanism that there was in school to keep the offender writing lines in detention. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:20, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Any judgement like this is always going to be subjective. I've worked in places where I was criticised for not saying fuck like everybody else. Obviously it varies between cultures and between countries. Absolute views on it are just silly. HiLo48 (talk) 21:33, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

It's impossible to judge without knowing your own behavior. What did you say to them? Read Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. --Colapeninsula (talk) 21:43, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Hghyux incorrectly tagged an article for deletion - basically just made a mistake - and was instantly dubbed "an ignorant American" by another editor. Hghyux apologised, but he naturally took offence, and an argument ensued when he asked for an apology and was ultimately told to fuck off. No action was taken, which is something of a disgrace. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:48, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

User:Shirt58 has already warned User:Bwilkins. But User:Hghyux has issues of their own. I'm concerned about User:Hghyux/Blocked where they threaten to "warn" and "report" users who they don't like if they ever comment on their user talk page for any reason. I understand their frustration but respectful interaction with these users may become necessary in the future and should not be met with such hostility. Dcoetzee 01:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Farra or Farrah or Farraw - a grain crop. Maybe another spelling

I am looking for information in relation to a grain crop called Farra - spelling may be incorrect. It was on a cooking show but I have never before heard of it and can't find it spelt correctly to research it. Any help appreciated?

Farro?--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Farina? AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

If in doubt, choose this one.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:44, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Cuban economic reforms

I'm surprised fact that there is still no article on the Cuban economic reforms (Cuban economic reform or Economic reforms in Cuba) from the last couple of years. The government’s goal is to have up to 40 percent of the island workforce of 5.2 million in non-state jobs by 2015. They probably deserve the attention of somebody with expertise in the area. I've added the article to the Requested articles, but would anybody be willing to create a stub? Thanks. 85.50.248.154 (talk) 23:21, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Does that need a seperate article? How about just adding a section to the Cuba or Economy of Cuba articles? RudolfRed (talk) 03:07, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

How to change a talk page to a regular, searchable page

I created the following page on March 19th: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Grow_Communications

It is still listed under "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Grow Communications" and when i search for "Grow Communications" my contribution does not come up. What is the process and requirements for getting a page to go live so it can be seen by everyone? And how long does this typically take to happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrowComm (talk • contribs) 23:33, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

In this case it will not be happening, because it was deleted as an obvious advertisement (for a non-notable firm, I might add). --Orange Mike | Talk 23:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

March 27

Contributing from a Business

Hello,

I have recently tried several times to get a Wikipedia account for David Gallaher. He is a knowledgeable and well respected member of the martial arts community and his knowledge on subjects such as heatlh and fitness are vast. However, prior to this account, after we attempt to create various articles or provide information in the account profile about David, the account is deleted citing reasons which essentially say that we are advertising David's Martial Arts school. This is not our intent; what we would like to know is how can we contribute to and create articles in a way that will not be considered advertising? It is difficult to separate the school or David's biographical information (one of the accounts was deleted citing that we were trying to promote David and in essence his school as well) from his articles because it is where his knowledge and training come from and how it remains applicable in every day life. How can we go about this?

Best Wishes, Synthia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gungfuins (talk • contribs) 00:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You seem to have a WP:COI and thus it would not be possible to write such an article by yourself. Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You could add him at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Biography/By profession#Boxers.2C martial artists and wrestlers, although there is no telling when it would be created. Any previously deleted article receives heightened scrutiny during attempts to recreate it. Dru of Id (talk) 00:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You've used account when you mean article. I'm presuming you mean the David Gallaher with the Gung Fu Institute of Fort Myers, Florida, which sets off alarm bells with your user name. For words to avoid, see Wikipedia:Wikipuffery. Dru of Id (talk) 01:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

A good start would be to find the multiple independent reliable sources which discuss David Gallaher and which can establish hist notability. With those, it is possible to write an article about him, but everything in it must be referenced to reliable sources, and it must be written in a neutral tone, which is probably very difficult for you to do, because of your conflict of interest. Dru of Id's suggestion is probably the best one, but if you do the detective work and find the references that will make it easier for somebody disinterested to come along and write the article. If you can't find the references, then I'm afraid he is not currently notable by Wikipedia's criteria. --ColinFine (talk) 09:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I have just had a pretty thorough search for reliable, independent sources. This (which I can't read in its entirety) is the only valid source I could find; on its own it isn't sufficient to prove notability. It may well be that Sifu Gallaher simply doesn't meet the notability standards. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

no references

My page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Rice lacked references and was going to be deleted. i have put what i hope are appropriate references and external sources on. can you please confirm they are adequate and, if not, give a further indication of what is expected. Jumgrant (talk) 06:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

No. The telegraph and FT reviews just mention him in passing. The Observer has a couple of sentences about him, and would be a useful reference in conjunction with others, but in my opinion it is not enough on its own. You need to find independent reliable sources which have written significantly about him in order to establish that he is notable.

Also, the references need to be inline, attached to the particular facts that are being stated: see WP:Referencing for beginners. Since this is a biography of a living person, every piece of information in it should be referenced to a published source. --ColinFine (talk) 09:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Nominating article for deletion

Hello, i need help in nominating article Veilig Rijen for deletion. TheGeneralUser (talk) 07:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Instructions are at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I have seen the page already before, but i haven't carried out the Deletion process before and it would be very helpful if someone else who already knows the process could kindly do it and after that explain the process to me. Thank you. TheGeneralUser (talk) 08:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You can use Twinkle, a useful program which, among other functions, can help you with the deletion process.--Hallows Aktiengesellschaft (talk) 09:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Category Request: Category:Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile

Hello. The category I proposed, Category:Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile, has been accepted. But there is still a problem. The category needs a clean up from Category Request: Category:Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile to Category:Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile, so the same but without the "Category Request: ". For the moment, it doesn't work when I had Category:Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile to an article. Many thanks in advance for your help. Kind Regards. 78.239.175.7 (talk) 09:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

For information, it still doesn't work. The final name should be Category: Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile instead of Wikipedia:Category: Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile. 78.239.175.7 (talk) 09:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I created Category:Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile. Please check that everything is ok, I did delete a few pages with the wrong titles.--Commander Keane (talk) 10:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I think everything is ok. Thank you very much for your help. 78.239.175.7 (talk) 10:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Religion, reference to United Reformed Church

Just for clarification. The United Reformed Church was an original amalgamation of Congregationalists and EnglishPresbytarians in 1972. There are Scottish Presbytarians but they are not part of the union. I believe the Churches of Christ followed later, but that needs confirmation from someone else87.115.139.168 (talk) 11:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Which page do you think needs clarifying? The "Origins and history" section of the United Reformed Church article begins "The United Reformed Church results from a union of the Presbyterian Church of England...", which seems to cover your point. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Somali National Demcoratic Reform Party. A newly founded reform-minded political party led by Dr. Khalif M. Duale

Sir, would you please edit in the above mentioned information in the Somali Political Parties list section — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalifhadji1 (talk • contribs) 13:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles can only include information that has been published in reliable sources such as books, journals and respected news websites. A Google search for "Somali National Democratic Reform Party" only returns one page - this Help desk - so it seems that the new party hasn't been picked up by the media yet. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:59, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

About a created page

I have created a page List of Commercial Developments by Prestige Group but its not showing in the list of articles i have created..whats the problem in that ?? Thanks Sayowais 13:00, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

These lists are currently out of date because of a technical issue. Be patient - another few days and they should be correct again. There's more detail at Village pump (technical). -- John of Reading (talk) 13:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

proposed redirect

Is there a template with which to tag a stub to propose that it becomes a redirect? I haven't been able to find one.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:06, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Creating an article, unsure on title choice and if content can be seen as advertising

Hi,

my name is Glenn Ivar Husom and I am part of a group in a course at the University of Oslo where we are tasked with masking an article for Wikipedie with high likelyhood of surviving.

My group has chosen the topic "Tracking of third party webtrackers"/"Tracking of webtrackers".

Wedo however, have a few questions. For a title on such an article, would one of our two example work? And also, if one for example searches for "tracking" on wikipedia, Tracking(webtracking) appears under technology. How would our article fit under this?

And last, Ghostery and Collusion are two articles that deliver this kind of service. Ghostery already has an article on wikipedia, but Collusion does not, as far as we could find. What we want to know is if we can mention these two applications in our article without it beeing seen as advertisement for said applications.

We have been given good references by a person from The Data Inspectorate here in Norway, so we hope that will help the survivability of our article.

Hope you can help with any answers to our questions, and if you have any more tips, those will be most welcome as well.

Sincerely,

Glenn Ivar Husom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.33.50 (talk) 16:21, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I would think Comparsion of web trackers may be what you are looking to create? You could set it up as a table comparing features, and if all the ones you can find are on the table, it wouldn't be advertising. Comparison of video converters is a sample of one.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Asking a question in Japanese

Can someone who knows Japanese help me follow up on an usurp request? I just want to ask what the progress is, since there have been no comments since 6 March, and I want to know whether the usurp will be allowed or not. Cheers! — madman 16:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Clarification: I'd just like something I can copy and paste. Cheers! — madman 21:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I dropped a note on the talk page of a user who was incredibly helpful when I was writing an article on a Japanese subject. Can't guarantee he'll act on it or is around to see my post, but he is active.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

No progress. There is a transfer request on JP Madman's talk page under the date of Feb. 27, but no reply so far. The request says if there's no reply within a set period of time, the name Madman would be transferred to the requester. I do not know much about usurpations. I bet two ja speaking admins, User:Hoary and User:Nihonjoe would be your big help. Oda Mari (talk) 05:15, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Talking to Nihonjoe is an excellent idea and I shall do so; thanks! I was able to ascertain the above with the help of Google Translate, but I assumed that the set period of time has passed by now (I think I read somewhere on ja.wp that it was two weeks). Cheers! — madman 15:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Page written as advertisement and contains buzzwords

The Agility Logistics page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agility_Logistics) is marked as being written like an advertisement and containing a large number of buzzwords. I would like to correct this. Can you cite examples on the page so I have a better idea as to what to correct? Thanks. Pcr31415 (talk) 17:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Ultimately, the problem is the overall tone. For example: "From 1996 onward, Agility has grown rapidly through organic growth and acquisition of other logistics companies." In addition to being redundant ("grown... through organic growth"), this is essentially puffery. Here are a few other concerns:

• Much of the article is in the present tense. We seek to document what has happened, not what is or will be happening. Besides, much of it is referring to past events and logically ought to be in the past tense anyway.
• Many of the sentences are vague and possibly opinion rather than fact.

I'll echo this. For example, the lead states "the company specializes in emerging markets and 'challenging environments.'" Meaningless jargon like "challenging environments", and "offer solutions" should be avoided.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 17:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Unless it's talking about the answer to an equation, or about a solute dissolved in a solvent, the appearance of the word "solutions" is one of the deadliest giveaways that what you're reading is promotional language and violates neutral point-of-view. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

• The controversy section is quite short, although it does not suffer from vagueness. It should ultimately be integrated into the main prose, but for the time being it really needs more detail.

If you are affiliated with this company, please read our guide to working within a conflict of interest. I think it will be helpful in the long run. --NYKevin @755, i.e. 17:06, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

How to post copy write material after permission has been granted.

Hi, how do I get allowed to post copy write material. I have permission from the company to use material from their website. How do I get permission from Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tingyo (talk • contribs) 19:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Follow the process set out at WP:IOWN to forward the permission. Note though that material from a company's website is likely to fall foul of our guidelines on neutral point of view and/or promotion.--ukexpat (talk) 20:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Sortable table

How do I make the List of Merlin Award recipients into a "sortable" list? I also need help to format it as a table. Llama's Koala (talk) 20:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I hope that another editor will finish my work to make it into a sortable table because I don't have the time to wok on this right now. Llama's Koala (talk) 20:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

List of transclusions?

What is the best method to locate and list all articles into which a specific template is transcluded? Thanks in advance for all advice. Meclee (talk) 21:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Go to the page for the template and click "What Links Here". Or on a more technical level, you can do the equivalent like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:North-American_Interfraternity_Conference .Naraht (talk) 21:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

My Own?

Why am I not allowed to view my own deleted contributions? Interchangeable|talk to me 21:02, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

That is a power only given to admins. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:09, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I figured as much, but why is this power given only to administrators? What harm would there be if I saw all my own edits that have been deleted? Interchangeable|talk to me 21:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, one might be that if a newer user has an article they created deleted, they'd just be able to access the deleted article and more or less restore it quite easily. - Purplewowies (talk) 22:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

A user who actually wanted to recreate one of their articles that had been deleted would just rewrite it. And furthermore, if they did recreate it either by your method or mine, it would be speedily deleted under criterion G4 anyway. So that's not a valid rationale. Interchangeable|talk to me 22:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Eh, it was just a thought. That's why I put the "might" in there. - Purplewowies (talk) 23:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

What's more, you'd also be able to see other people's deleted contributions indirectly. Imagine if a rather high-profile article with more than ten thousand edits were deleted as a copyvio — such a page would likely have been edited by thousands of people, and all of them would still be able to view at least one version of a copyvio. Nyttend (talk) 02:22, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

CSD G4 is only for pages deleted after discussion (XfDs), that is, it is not applicable to anything that was speedily deleted or deleted as a result of proposed deletion. In any event, I think there are good reasons not to allow users across the board to see the content of deleted edits: copyvios; defamatory content; ability to repost crap and spam and those copyvios and attack pages fostered vastly; but I think it would be good if users could see a list of the pages they edited that were deleted.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:32, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

etymology is lacking for many entries

etymology......good — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.191.197 (talk) 22:06, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You want Wiktionary, not Wikipedia. —Jeremy v^_^v ^Bori! 22:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Twinkle rollback links

Anyone know if it's possible to get the twinkle rollback links (Rollback good faith - Rollback - Rollback Vandalism) next to pages on your watch list? Since the regular rollback doesn't prompt for an edit summary I prefer to use twinkle but it's always an extra page load. SÆdon^talk 22:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Twinkle rollback doesn't appear on watchlists, since they are not the original rollback tools. However, I'm not sure of this..... Dipankan says.. ^{("Be bold and edit!")} 15:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

changing false information on for King andCountry

Rebecca St. James brothers are Joel and Luke smallbone,not Joel and Luke St.James. How do I fix their Wikipedia page? 198.108.232.3 (talk) 22:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Done
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 22:28, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Posting on a talk page

I recently clicked on the "talk" tab of an article because I wanted to make a comment on the article's talk page. There were no existing user comments on the page and no instructions on how to enter a comment. So my question is: exactly how does one make a comment on a talk page -- what does one do, mechanically -- when there are no existing comments and yours is going to be the first?Redound (talk) 22:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Click on the New Section link at the top of the page. This will take you to an editing page where you can title and write your input. This is necessary whenever you wish to add a new section to the Talk page. See Wikipedia:Talk pages
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 22:47, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

It works just like what you did here! ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 09:20, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

We cannot see what Redound did but the box at top of this page has a link saying "If you can't find an answer, click here to ask a new question." Talk pages don't have such a link. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Popups anyone?

Resolved

Anyone else on here using popups at the moment? Whenever I currently mouse-over any link to WP:ANI, a very odd image is appearing in popups. Anyone else? Calabe1992 22:49, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Fixed at ANI. Calabe1992 23:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Uploading an image that is copyrighted

Hello,

I have a logo for a game, and wish to upload it to use it on the games page which I'm creating. I have permission from the owner (as I am a developer) to use the logo for this purpose, but I am so unsure what option to use. Every time I try to upload it the upload button stays blanked out so I have no idea what to do.

Thanks

Darkmantle90 (talk) 23:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, your account needs to be auto-confirmed before you can upload images. That means you need at least 10 edits (this part is done) and be a registered user for at least 4 days. I don't believe that second part has been accomplished. Dismas|^(talk) 03:07, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

You need to understand, however, that Wikipedia does not accept permission for use only on Wikipedia; acceptable permission must allow reuse by anyone for anything. If the copyright owner does not want to grant such broad permission, Wikipedia does accept images without permission under certain limited conditions. A logo used to identify the subject of an article usually fulfils those conditions. The point is that if you are using the non-permission route, don't talk about permission.

But before you spend a lot of time working on an article, however, please read Wikipedia:Your first article. If the game has not already received significant coverage in independent reliable sources, I'm afraid your article will be deleted. —teb728 t c 04:58, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

March 28

Problem with 'PUF' template.

There is a file which is erroneously described and attributed, and I have tracked down the original source, and am trying to add tag for Possible unfree file using the instructions for the 'Puf template'. However my attempts always end up as an invalid template (in red). Details are available on the file, etc., but (warning) this is a very long story. ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 00:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

While editing as the IP address 184.76.225.106, you've never edited a single file page; I'm guessing that you have a dynamic IP address. Please provide the name of the file (or the full URL of the file), because it will be a lot easier to answer your question if we can see what you've attempted. Nyttend (talk) 00:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I presume the image you are talking about is File:Genghis and Borte dividing appanages.jpg? If so, that file was uploaded to Commons, not Wikipedia, so you should follow their procedure for starting a deletion discussion. AJCham 01:05, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

For now my main problem is attempting to follow directions from (above) is failing to get results, and I am unsure if it is me, or a problem with the template, or a problem with the instructions. [Since there is never a problem with me, it must be the template!]

I managed to summarize the situation on the original uploader's 'talk page' -- would it be proper to link to that here? ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 01:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, hang on, it was uploaded to Wikipedia first then transferred to Commons, but the original is still in place here. In that case you can use the PUF template, but would still need to address the Commons version if there is a problem. I suspect the problem you are having with the template is that you are trying to add it to the Commons file instead of the local one. AJCham 01:20, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

At User talk:Enerelt#Problem with image you link to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Genghis_and_Borte_dividing_appanages.jpg That file is on Commons, where there is no puf template. The easy way to nominate a file for deletion on Commons is to click the “Nominate for deletion” link at the bottom of the left sidebar. You should have no trouble using the puf template on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Genghis_and_Borte_dividing_appanages.jpg which is a separate upload. —teb728 t c 06:05, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I've started the 'nominate for deletion' process, but I only added This image is actually a modern reproduction by a current artist, the source of this image includes "All rights reserved. Copyright 2012 © Exotic India" to the 'Reason for the nomination'. To include specific details, do I add it to the file's main page, or the 'talk page'. Also, I don't feel that I have authority to "delete" this -- I just want to sort things out properly; I have no relation to the artist, etc. -- Also, I am worried that this might be beyond my current abilities to do this without messing something up. And is the copy of the file on WP a separate deal, or will the process include both copies? ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 07:06, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I would put the details on the discussion page, Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Genghis and Borte dividing appanages.jpg. Don't worry about messing things up: the discussion page is just a forum like this one.

The copy on WP is a separate deal: use the {{puf}} template on File:Genghis and Borte dividing appanages.jpg. After you add it, the template will give directions on how to complete the nomination. —teb728 t c 18:41, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I manged to follow all steps for both files except the following (semi-protected:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan):

• Add the following to the file's caption(s): Template:Pufc
  

Thanks! Your assistance is appreciated. -- This article is a mess, and it is rated 'Top priority' in three catagories. ~Eric F [edit3]~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 00:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

LISTENING TO A SONG

WHEN A SEARCH IS COMPLETE ON AN ARTIST ALBUM / SONG IS THERE A WAY OF LISTENING TO THE MUSIC OF THIS ARTIST THROUGH YOUR SITE You are not currently logged in. If you save any edits, your IP address will be recorded publicly in this page's edit history. If you create an account, you can conceal your IP address and be provided with many other benefits. Messages sent to your IP can be viewed on your talk page.

Please do not save test edits. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you need any help getting started with editing, see the New contributors' help page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.35.82.136 (talk) 03:19, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--Hallows Aktiengesellschaft (talk) 03:31, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

No; it would be a copyright violation for Wikipedia to have an artist's songs up in full just to have them. - Purplewowies (talk) 04:00, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Span tags showing on titles

On the tiles of articles, span tags are showing. Any idea what's causing this for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.39.32.138 (talk) 05:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 February 29#HTML tags in page titles - is that your problem? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Looking for good software to help me edit wikipedia.

Hello, and thank you for reading my question. I am looking for some good software that can help me edit wikipedia. If it could track people's edits, and tell me areas of the site that are in most dire need of editing or are disputed, that would be great as well. I see the village pump is wiki's main discussion forum—which part of this is for discussing specific articles, or trends? Looking at the discussion tab in pages, it appears there are seldom any prompt responses, and a lot of the pages even end at 2011. Xenharmonic (talk) 06:08, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

• See Wikipedia:Tools that contain various tools and tutorials intended to simplify, make more efficient, or provide additional functionality to Wikipedians.Moxy (talk) 06:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
• To find articles needing various kinds of editing, you could try some of the links at the top right of Wikipedia:Cleanup. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:33, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Query about the replication lag

At present, the replication lag between count tallies and the feedback appears to be very high - does any one have any idea why this is is? 08:07, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

There's discussion about this at the village pump Wikipedia:VPT#Toolserver_replication_lag RudolfRed (talk) 08:12, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Creating images with programs on my computer that use data from a Twitter post

Hi,

I created a couple of graphs showing some data about the Challenger Deep sub that went to the bottom of the ocean over the weekend. I used data from Paul Allen's Twitter page that announced depths throughout the dive then I created two graphs showing the descent and ascent of the sub as a function of time as well as the rate of ascent/descent. I created the charts in Mathematica and then took a screen shot of the graph and edited these images a little in Photoshop to put a nicer looking title than what Mathematica created.

Do I need to site the source of the numbers (Paul Allen's tweets) and also do I need to site Mathematica and Photoshop as programs I used to create and modify the resultant image? Is content created this way something that I can upload to Wikipedia without doing anything else, like getting permission from Paul Allen to use info from his tweets or from Adobe or Wolfram about the image I created and modified?

I was going to add these to the Challenger Deep article to help show the progress of the dive.

Never done this before so am just trying to find out what I can and can't do.

Thanks...

DeepYogurt (talk) 09:00, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I suspect other users will offer advice too, but what I'd say is definitely list your sources for the data in the description of the file when you upload it to Commons. I wouldn't bother about listing Photoshop, but since I'm unfamiliar with Mathematica I can't say whether citing it is part of the licence agreement. I doubt that it is, though. But as for citing the data sources: yes please! I tried to vectorise a phase diagram of a chemical compound a while ago, and couldn't find where the original author had found his data. Very frustrating. Sorry I can't answer the rest of your question with confidence. Regards, Brammers (talk/c) 13:37, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

You may wish to save as an .svg file as well. I think wikipedia is trying to use and convert to that format for graphs and charts, etc.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected article needs 'Cleanup' and/or 'Copy edit'

There is a semi-protected article that is in need of cleanup (or copy edit?); the talk page has many issues discussed. Could somebody with admin privileges take a look? Putting a 'cleanup' or 'copy-edit' tag wouldn't work (nobody could edit). What are the options? ~Eric F [edit]~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 09:33, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

All autoconfirmed users (at least 4 days and 10 edits) can edit semiprotected pages. You seem to be a regular contributor already and could have been autoconfirmed long ago. Why not make an account? It's easy and has many other benefits. The username Eric F is available. If the software will not allow it because it's too similar to an existing name then you can ask for it at Wikipedia:Request an account. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:18, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Paterson Mass Water flow meter

I have Mass Water Flow Meter (Fully Mechanical like a cabinet or tower clock) which manufactured by "Paterson Engineering Co. Ltd., Windsor House, Kingsway, London. In 1956, and reference no. of that meter is R- 1750. If anybody knows about this flow meter, please write. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.107.116.228 (talk) 09:37, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:58, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Tony Stewart Picture

Main File picture of NASCAR driver Tony Stewart must be updated. The picture displays him in the "Home Depot" jumpsuit. "Home Depot" is no longer a sponsor for Tony Stewart. I would suggest a picture with either his "Office Depot" or "Mobil 1" jumpsuit, they are his current sponsors. Thank you for your help =) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.21.231.95 (talk) 12:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

If somebody has a more recent picture which is in the public domain, or which they are willing to release under a suitable licence, they are welcome to upload it to Commons and replace the picture in the article. But Wikipedia does not care about sponsors, and an older picture of him is perfectly acceptable in an article (it would be reasonable to edit the caption to mention that his livery was out of date). --ColinFine (talk) 12:57, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

You could ask those two latest sponsors for a public domain image and upload it yourself. Do you want a free stapler or a quart of oil for your efforts?--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:35, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

bayou blast and collapse

I got up to level 34 in bayou blast on facebook and had access to all the power ups today I went to play the game and I was put back to level 14 and lost access to most of the power ups very peeved.Alsao I had the high score and I came up as second grrrrr. On collapse you have that annoying 1 2 3 go we lose 10 seconds of our minute before we can start another grrrrrr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.178.118.84 (talk) 13:58, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Just in doubt.....

Hello, I'm a experienced user here. My sister, User:Dazzlingstar090 stopped editing as she is very busy and can't make out time. What will I do to the account? Should I request an indefinite block with autoblock disabled to any admin? Just in doubt.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dipankan001 (talk • contribs) 15:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Why do you want to block your sister's account? I do not see any reason. Ruslik_Zero 17:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

If she wants to, she can put a wikibreak template on her page to notify others that she will not be around or respond quickly to anything. But that's really something she should do, not you. - Purplewowies (talk) 18:55, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

User Inputting False Information

On the page 2012 Telus Cup, there is a user who keeps putting in false information. Is there anyway to keep him from editing that page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.251.159 (talk) 15:18, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Simply use the undo feature with a reasonable edit summary, drop him a warning. Or you might request a page protection if you like. Thanks. Dipankan says.. ^{("Be bold and edit!")} 15:21, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Stock Answers

I note that some respondents provide stock answers where appropriate, such as, "I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.8 million articles...". Where do these responses come from? What other information is helpful for someone who wishes to assist on the Help page?
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 19:38, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Help desk/How to answer. It's linked on "How to answer" below the box at the top. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:43, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

List of articles in List of categories without DEFAULTSORT or Sortkey

Let's say that List of Cosby Show Episodes was in the category Category:List of NBC shows Episodes. There is no reason why it should be put in there without either a DEFAULTSORT or a Sortkey. If it is, then it gets listed under L, where it should be listed under C. Is there anyway to find these either by running against a database or by use of a bot to fix them?Naraht (talk) 20:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Diverse

Does someone else wish to try 'Diverse' in search and voice their opinion on whether the redirects and dab pages are set correctly?--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:18, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

using data

Are data (such as numbers in a table; e.g. Simpson's paradox) in Wikipedia considered to be text (and therefore would not need permission for use in a textbook that I'm trying to write)? Or is it necessary to ask a source for permission? Moshepollak (talk) 20:20, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Under my understanding, regarding the Idea–expression divide, is that data is an idea and so isn't protected by copyright, but the specific presentation of that data (the expression) is. So, data itself cannot be copyrighted, but the text, tables, charts, and graphs that report it are. I am not an expert in this field, however, so if you have questions you may want to ask at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions, which is a noticeboard for asking exactly this kind of question. Of a seperate concern, is that you should always cite the sources of your data. That is, even if it isn't encumbered by copyright, ideas still need to be connected to sources, lest you be guilty of plagiarism. In other words, even if you rewrite an idea in your own words, you still need to say where that idea comes from. See also Wikipedia:Verifiability. --Jayron32 20:25, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Request for feedback

I've written my first article, and I'm looking for some feedback

User:TomLuTon/SS Kaliyuga

TomLuTon (talk) 20:26, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

For a first article it looks pretty good. I suggest you hunt around for some more external references however, because it looks like you have just written it based on one book. The more verifiable references the better. It seems to have squeezed into notability -just. Having said that, I think it will soon be ready for becoming and article. --Aspro (talk) 20:38, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Citing multiple non-sequential pages

If I wanted to cite, for example, pages 40 and 140 of the same book in the same reference, should I use "p." or "pp."? And if "p.", should it be repeated before each page number (e.g. "p. 40, p. 140") or is once sufficient (e.g. "p. 40, 140")? (I realise this is an issue of almost comical insignificance, but the uncertainty was getting on my nerves.) – hysteria18 (talk) 20:46, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Separate page ranges with an en dash (–); separate non-sequential pages with a comma (,); precede entire set of pages with ​pp. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 20:57, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

James Dean page

Wednesday, March 28, 2012 Hi, I've got a picture of the James Dean Memorial at Cholame, California, that I personally took back in May, 1988, that I'd like to put a link to on the James Dean Wiki page so others can enjoy seeing the mirror surface that used to be there. The picture is at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JamesDeanTributePostcard1988GF38.jpg . If someone can tell me how to add it to the James Dean page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dean , I'd appreciate it. Or, if someone can just go ahead and add the link to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dean page, that would be great.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by WaltMaken (talk • contribs) 22:17, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Why is in in a frame? Surly the original image would do?--Aspro (talk) 22:31, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

It is a better picture than this one File:JamesDeanMemorialCholame.jpg that is used now. I agree that you should remove the gold frame, red frame and copyright text. They may look like spam to others.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:35, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

(e'c) Seconded. It's great that you have donated the image to commons but I don't think it is usable right now in the article with the frame, the red interior border the writing and your copyright notice. Since you have released the image, if it was just the frame any of us could just crop and re-upload, but to crop enough to remove all the other extraneous elements would leave the image greatly compromised. Would you be willing to upload the photo ‎without the add-ons? Meanwhile, please see the top of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images for basics on how to add an image to an article.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:43, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Why should the copyright notice be removed? Licencing it under creative commons doesn't give up copyright. RudolfRed (talk) 23:46, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I meant the text on the image only. The image page can still contain the copyright info. If it is left on the image, others may think it is spamming the JD article with a photographer's name.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Because it and the writing and the frame and the red border are all extraneous elements that are not part of the photo proper and are distracting and intrusive. I don't think anyone above was talking about whether the copyright symbol and following text was a violation of the copyright license of the image. An image's copyright status belongs on the image description page, not in the image. From Wikipedia:Image use policy: "Do not put credits in images themselves." "If you create an image that contains text, please also upload a version without any text." "Free images should not be watermarked, distorted, have any credits in the image itself or anything else that would hamper their free use." From Commons:Watermarks "Adding your name directly to the photograph when uploading is strongly discouraged. It detracts from the quality of photographs, and generally the thumbnails used on pages are so small the text is not visible anyway."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:31, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. RudolfRed (talk) 01:16, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Ansel E. Talbert Information

Just fyi, my father was born on January 6, 1912 and he dies on October 7, 1987. I suppose no one cares at this point but me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.218.81.244 (talk) 22:43, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

May he RIP.--Aspro (talk) 23:00, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

We are interested, but the problem is that we have no way of knowing who you are and whether the information you are giving is accurate: that is why we insist on information being verifiable.

I have added the date of death to Ansel Talbert, as it is mentioned in the obituary; but I have removed the date of birth, as it was unreferenced. But I have not inserted the birth date you provided, because that is also unreferenced. If you can find a published source which gives the birth date, you are welcome to add it to the article, with a citation to the the source. (But if you are contemplating doing anything more than that to the article, please read WP:Conflict of interest first). --ColinFine (talk) 23:35, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I am going to add the birthdate as per Wikipedia:V#When_a_reliable_source_is_required with a citation needed template. It seems the IP did know the accurate date of his passing, so I will assume good faith that the other date is accurate, if not verifiable. This is a more sesitive approach than hinting that we have no idea when he was born.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:31, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

March 29

File:Second Revolution Flag 2x3.svg

I do not usually challenge images but I believe that this image should be deleted because it may not have either a copyright tag or an acceptable fair use rationale. Even if {{Symbol rationale}} was added, it still may be rendered in too high a resolution. Also, I do not believe the source as given is correct. Can an expert look at this and make a determination. --RoyGoldsmith (talk) 01:13, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I doubt they can copyright it. It is just a minor modification of the Betsy Ross flag which is probably PD.--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:45, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

List notability and styles

This [[1]] has raised a style question with respect to listing a notable person in a list.

One editor feels that if someone is no longer practicing something they were notable for, they should be listed as "former". Their comment was:

"This dispute is simply about the word "former". Once a person is no longer doing what made them notable in the first place, they should have the word "former" (or something similar) attached to their description."

In this case it is a radio personality who at the moment is not on the radio. I feel that then style should refereence what the subject is notable for, not for what they used to be. Unless they we actually notable for being a "former radio personality". I don't see how that coud happen, but anything is possible I guess.

A very cursory glance shows that most lists in Wikipedia tend to follow my prefered syntax. Is there a style guideline which might be of assistance? I'd like to try finding one before asking for an RfC on such a minor syntactical issue. Fasttimes68 (talk) 04:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't find any coverage in the Manual of Style pages, but radio personality seems like an individual could do it again on any given day for the rest of their lives, like 'author' or 'commentator'. He's a 'Former radio host', but 'Media personality', as he is actively podcasting. Lists in tables can be more clear, see the Prior Experience column of List of current United States Senators#Members by state, but unnecessary on location pages. Dru of Id (talk) 05:17, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Mistake at "Marble Falls, TX"

Hello,

I was editing the current population of Marble Falls, TX, and the format was disrupted somehow. I was not able to resolve the issue. Could someone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.221.153.112 (talk) 05:54, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

 Fixed Replaced your )] with ]]. Dru of Id (talk) 06:05, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

How to make different versions in Wikipedia (Same Topic)

How do I create different version of the same topic in terms of language. For example I created a page in english version and I want to have it also available in german language for example without having to leave the english version page. I want it to be located on the left navigation of the page for the different languages. Do I have to create a page first for the german version and link it to the english version? how do I do that? Please advise. Visit this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGS_S.A. for the sample of what I want to attain. It has different languages to choose from without having to leave the main page.Sgssm (talk) 06:12, 29 March 2012 (UTC)