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::::Thanks. There's a clarification discussion open at ANI now to put these types of issues in black and white in regards to the ban, including if I could ask such a question at this page. --<span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:TopGun|<b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b>]] ([[User talk:TopGun|<b style="color:#000">talk</b>]])</span> 13:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
::::Thanks. There's a clarification discussion open at ANI now to put these types of issues in black and white in regards to the ban, including if I could ask such a question at this page. --<span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:TopGun|<b style="color:#060">lTopGunl</b>]] ([[User talk:TopGun|<b style="color:#000">talk</b>]])</span> 13:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::::Commented there as well. --[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 13:19, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
::::::Commented there as well. --[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 13:19, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
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== RFC closure == |
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You should not have closed that RFC. It is an entirely different proposal to the last one as it deals with article layout and not content. And how long does one have to wait till an RFC is not "pointy"? Please self revert your unilateral closure of a valid RFC, or point me to the policy which says that I may not follow the normal steps of the dispute resolution process. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 13:45, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:Well, I'm not going to revert Jcai's reopening of the RfC. When does an RfC become pointy? When the initiator has a battling history with other editors on the same article. I think you should be careful you don't end up with a Pakistan related articles topic ban but it's entirely your call. --[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 16:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::Well you do not have to revert him, it has already been done. My question was, what is a reasonable amount of time before I could post an RFC so it would no longer be "pointy" I am not trying to be a pain here, but the new RFC was about how the article ought to be laid out, not about the content from the previous one. Discussion on content would have begun after a consensus was reached on weather or not certain things should have their own sections. I hope I am being a little clearer this time around. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 17:00, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Given your situation with TopGun, I'm not sure if you should probably have let the earlier RfC run its course and make your change suggestions there. Either way, TopGun should not have reverted JCai. --[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 17:11, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::The other one had run it's course, and only two involved editors had commented, the other chap did not understand the issue {{smiley}}. It seemed sensible to me to garner a consensus on article layout, then work on the content. I will not be commenting on the RFC, I intended to let it run without trying to argue the details. But if it is closed again I will wait a month before posting another, is that enough time? [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 17:23, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::And now that it has again been closed[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inter-Services_Intelligence&curid=4078956&diff=479341420&oldid=479323719] how long do I need to wait? [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 19:36, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::If I were in your shoes, I'd just move on to other articles and not bother with another RfC. Plenty of other stuff to work on. --[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 20:03, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::::::Thank you for your incredibly helpful response, and I must say you did a wonderful job of answering my questions. A month it is. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 20:16, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
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*Hey RegentsPark, just a heads up were having a similar discussion at [[User talk:DeltaQuad#Inter-Services_Intelligence|my talkpage]] and I've mentioned your name a couple of times. -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<font color="green">DQ]][[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<font color="blue"> (ʞlɐʇ) ]]</font></font> 07:19, 29 February 2012 (UTC) |
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Canvassing tag query
This user never edited this article [1], appeared on this ANI discussion out of nowhere from semi idle [2], and there were previous reports to admins about clear canvassing which I wont refer to because of my interaction ban with an involved user. Is that a reason enough to believe that this editor could not have reached this article by himself? --lTopGunl (talk) 00:47, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
- The user has commented on your talk page as well as DarknessShine's talk pages and it is not unlikely that they arrived at both the ANI discussion as well as the Afghanistan discussions that way. I, for example, have never edited the article either but do have your talk page on my watch list. Always, in my opinion, better to AGF. --regentspark (comment) 12:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
- Your clarification is completely reasonable, the reason for the tag was that there have been a series of related jump ins like this by this user, but I'll not escalate on this one. After all the closer is going to see the consensus and not the 'votes'. Thanks. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:01, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
- Better this way.
But you should file an SPI on those SPIs on the pakistan talk page. Really suspicious (though the consensus there seems quite clear and the sock activity won't change it).--regentspark (comment) 18:35, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
- Better this way.
- Your clarification is completely reasonable, the reason for the tag was that there have been a series of related jump ins like this by this user, but I'll not escalate on this one. After all the closer is going to see the consensus and not the 'votes'. Thanks. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:01, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
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I requested closure of an RFC (before the closure was addressed, the RFC was restarted - I added remarks about that too at [3])... now I have an interaction ban so you can read those remarks on the given link, the RFC was closed accordingly by an admin. This uninvolved admin closure (requested by me) was reverted by the user I have interaction ban with. [4] Is this an indirect ban violation or just a bad revert of a formal closure? How am I to go about this if it is the latter case? --lTopGunl (talk) 09:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Closing my nominations (regardless of the achieved consensus) isn't a violation of ban? [5]... can I do the opposite too? --lTopGunl (talk) 10:51, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- The query has been reported to ANI... eh. [6] --lTopGunl (talk) 12:34, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- I reverted the un-closure. Will drop a note on DarknessShines talk page. --regentspark (comment) 13:12, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. There's a clarification discussion open at ANI now to put these types of issues in black and white in regards to the ban, including if I could ask such a question at this page. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Commented there as well. --regentspark (comment) 13:19, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. There's a clarification discussion open at ANI now to put these types of issues in black and white in regards to the ban, including if I could ask such a question at this page. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- I reverted the un-closure. Will drop a note on DarknessShines talk page. --regentspark (comment) 13:12, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- The query has been reported to ANI... eh. [6] --lTopGunl (talk) 12:34, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
RFC closure
You should not have closed that RFC. It is an entirely different proposal to the last one as it deals with article layout and not content. And how long does one have to wait till an RFC is not "pointy"? Please self revert your unilateral closure of a valid RFC, or point me to the policy which says that I may not follow the normal steps of the dispute resolution process. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:45, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I'm not going to revert Jcai's reopening of the RfC. When does an RfC become pointy? When the initiator has a battling history with other editors on the same article. I think you should be careful you don't end up with a Pakistan related articles topic ban but it's entirely your call. --regentspark (comment) 16:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Well you do not have to revert him, it has already been done. My question was, what is a reasonable amount of time before I could post an RFC so it would no longer be "pointy" I am not trying to be a pain here, but the new RFC was about how the article ought to be laid out, not about the content from the previous one. Discussion on content would have begun after a consensus was reached on weather or not certain things should have their own sections. I hope I am being a little clearer this time around. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:00, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Given your situation with TopGun, I'm not sure if you should probably have let the earlier RfC run its course and make your change suggestions there. Either way, TopGun should not have reverted JCai. --regentspark (comment) 17:11, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- The other one had run it's course, and only two involved editors had commented, the other chap did not understand the issue . It seemed sensible to me to garner a consensus on article layout, then work on the content. I will not be commenting on the RFC, I intended to let it run without trying to argue the details. But if it is closed again I will wait a month before posting another, is that enough time? Darkness Shines (talk) 17:23, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- And now that it has again been closed[7] how long do I need to wait? Darkness Shines (talk) 19:36, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- If I were in your shoes, I'd just move on to other articles and not bother with another RfC. Plenty of other stuff to work on. --regentspark (comment) 20:03, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for your incredibly helpful response, and I must say you did a wonderful job of answering my questions. A month it is. Darkness Shines (talk) 20:16, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- If I were in your shoes, I'd just move on to other articles and not bother with another RfC. Plenty of other stuff to work on. --regentspark (comment) 20:03, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Given your situation with TopGun, I'm not sure if you should probably have let the earlier RfC run its course and make your change suggestions there. Either way, TopGun should not have reverted JCai. --regentspark (comment) 17:11, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Well you do not have to revert him, it has already been done. My question was, what is a reasonable amount of time before I could post an RFC so it would no longer be "pointy" I am not trying to be a pain here, but the new RFC was about how the article ought to be laid out, not about the content from the previous one. Discussion on content would have begun after a consensus was reached on weather or not certain things should have their own sections. I hope I am being a little clearer this time around. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:00, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Hey RegentsPark, just a heads up were having a similar discussion at my talkpage and I've mentioned your name a couple of times. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 07:19, 29 February 2012 (UTC)