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When finding reference sources for a book, can we use the book itself as a source? This sounds like a dumb question, but I have never seen an article about a book ever use passages from the book as a source. I want to know because, if the answer is yes, I would like to use passages from [[Gathering Blue]] as citations, since the article is lacking reference sources and information. --[[Special:Contributions/96.242.163.228|96.242.163.228]] ([[User talk:96.242.163.228#top|talk]]) 00:14, 2 May 2012 (UTC) |
When finding reference sources for a book, can we use the book itself as a source? This sounds like a dumb question, but I have never seen an article about a book ever use passages from the book as a source. I want to know because, if the answer is yes, I would like to use passages from [[Gathering Blue]] as citations, since the article is lacking reference sources and information. --[[Special:Contributions/96.242.163.228|96.242.163.228]] ([[User talk:96.242.163.228#top|talk]]) 00:14, 2 May 2012 (UTC) |
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:It would help if you described the specifics of what you are trying to source in what article (it is always more difficult to answer questions in the hypothetical). The first thing to know is that for plot sections, as far as I know, there is no general consensus as to whether one does or does not need to cite the work itself. I personal think it is tacit that the plot of a fiction work is what the plot description comes from but be careful of any editorializing; that certainly needs a source. For more on this issue, see [[Wikipedia talk:No original research/Archive 48#Are "plot summaries" made by WP editors Original Research?]]. I believe there have been many other discussions. Of course, if you are ''quoting'' from the book, you would cite the book as the source in the citation. See, for example, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Badge_of_Courage#cite_note-18 citations 18, 19, 20, 33 and 40] in ''The Red Badge of Courage'' (a [[WP:FA|featured article]], i.e., a peer reviewed article identified as one of our finest). Outside of the plot, I'm not sure what you could use the book itself as the source for, unless you might be citing a forward or something else appearing in the same binding but not part of the book proper. Again, specifics would help. I'll leave this open.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 01:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC) |
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When finding reference sources for a book, can we use the book itself as a source? This sounds like a dumb question, but I have never seen an article about a book ever use passages from the book as a source. I want to know because, if the answer is yes, I would like to use passages from Gathering Blue as citations, since the article is lacking reference sources and information. --96.242.163.228 (talk) 00:14, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
- It would help if you described the specifics of what you are trying to source in what article (it is always more difficult to answer questions in the hypothetical). The first thing to know is that for plot sections, as far as I know, there is no general consensus as to whether one does or does not need to cite the work itself. I personal think it is tacit that the plot of a fiction work is what the plot description comes from but be careful of any editorializing; that certainly needs a source. For more on this issue, see Wikipedia talk:No original research/Archive 48#Are "plot summaries" made by WP editors Original Research?. I believe there have been many other discussions. Of course, if you are quoting from the book, you would cite the book as the source in the citation. See, for example, citations 18, 19, 20, 33 and 40 in The Red Badge of Courage (a featured article, i.e., a peer reviewed article identified as one of our finest). Outside of the plot, I'm not sure what you could use the book itself as the source for, unless you might be citing a forward or something else appearing in the same binding but not part of the book proper. Again, specifics would help. I'll leave this open.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)